Discussion: Falcon and The Winter Soldier UPDATE: Captain America 4 Brave New World NEW TRAILER!!!
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“The Falcon and the Winter Soldier”’s Anthony Mackie won Best Hero at last night’s MTV Movie & TV Awards
Here’s what it meant to him to have the Captain America shield passed to Sam Wilson.
Here’s what it meant to him to have the Captain America shield passed to Sam Wilson.
Why does Baron Zemo think super soldiers cannot be allowed to exist?
Remember what Vision said on the issue in Civil War?
And if you want it from the horse’s mouth, this is what he said:
It’s because they’re human beings with superhuman abilities. You can’t blindly trust that they wouldn’t abuse their power for whatever goal or desire they see fit to achieve.
Human beings are possibly the most easily corruptible species on Earth. The Avengers were by definition superhuman and, while they did protect the Earth from several world-ending threats, they all needed to take responsibility for whatever things happened under their watch.
When Bucky turns it around (extremely validly) and says that the Serum never corrupted Steve, Zemo agrees, but turns that notion on its head and rhetorically questions “But, there’s never been another Steve Rogers, has there?”
Steve Rogers was an exception. He proved from his first appearance that he was a paragon of virtue, always standing right back up to do the right thing, even if it cost him his life.
Just because he inspired others to follow his example doesn’t mean that other people would possess that same quality.
And, if by divine intervention, Zemo is proven right with this exhibition:
A superhuman like Steve would never have given in to his base senses and cold-bloodedly murder a man in broad daylight, no matter how severe his past transgressions.
But a man like John Walker would, because he’s human.
Not to mention his personal stake in this; Zemo’s family was killed during the midst of a battle between a murderous super-bot and a group of superhumans.
If you were him, why wouldn’t you believe they shouldn’t exist?
Remember what Vision said on the issue in Civil War?
This is essentially what Zemo was fighting against.
And if you want it from the horse’s mouth, this is what he said:
And if you need any further confirmation on the matter, look no further than what Dr. Erskine himself had to say about it:
So, why does Baron Zemo believe that super soldiers shouldn’t exist?
It’s because they’re human beings with superhuman abilities. You can’t blindly trust that they wouldn’t abuse their power for whatever goal or desire they see fit to achieve.
Human beings are possibly the most easily corruptible species on Earth. The Avengers were by definition superhuman and, while they did protect the Earth from several world-ending threats, they all needed to take responsibility for whatever things happened under their watch.
When Bucky turns it around (extremely validly) and says that the Serum never corrupted Steve, Zemo agrees, but turns that notion on its head and rhetorically questions “But, there’s never been another Steve Rogers, has there?”
Steve Rogers was an exception. He proved from his first appearance that he was a paragon of virtue, always standing right back up to do the right thing, even if it cost him his life.
Just because he inspired others to follow his example doesn’t mean that other people would possess that same quality.
And, if by divine intervention, Zemo is proven right with this exhibition:
A superhuman like Steve would never have given in to his base senses and cold-bloodedly murder a man in broad daylight, no matter how severe his past transgressions.
But a man like John Walker would, because he’s human.
Not to mention his personal stake in this; Zemo’s family was killed during the midst of a battle between a murderous super-bot and a group of superhumans.
If you were him, why wouldn’t you believe they shouldn’t exist?
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I would not be surprised if this is one of the many injustices heaped on black soldiers by their own country that inspired the Falcon & Winter Solider story line from last season.
in live action he is the Martian Manhunter's father.
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“We’re at a drive-in!” Anthony Mackie exclaimed more than once during Marvel Studios and Disney’s Drive-In FYC event at the Rose Bowl Saturday night. Although the star of “The Falcon and the Winter Soldier” wasn’t there physically, he was committed enough to join in a live Zoom session while...
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Remember the girl Bucky had a date with in Episode 1 of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier? Her name is Leah, and I think she has a bigger future role than anyone else is guessing.
On her date with Bucky, she playfully told Bucky that she was trying to read his mind, as they were playing the classic board game Battleship. And then she got a hit. He followed up with a miss. Then she started talking about their mutual friend Yori, who had lost his son, and Bucky abruptly left their date. Innocent enough scene, right?
But did anyone pay attention to the board?
She never misses!
Now, maybe not everybody records their opponent’s misses, though I always did. Or this could be a simple thing where they didn’t bother setting up the board properly. It’s odd that several of the ships were taken off, but the Destroyer is still on the board while being hit in both spots. But it got me wondering, is there anyone in the Marvel universe who shares her name? Turns out there is!
A servant of Hela, Leah was initially tasked with assisting Loki against the forces of the Serpent. After the Serpent was defeated, Leah was left on Earth, where she assisted Loki occasionally. Loki also took her on dates for milkshakes.
Could be a coincidence, but I think MCU Leah bears more than a passing resemblance to comic-Leah. I don’t think we’ll end up seeing a relationship between her and Hela, as Hela’s history. However, we may see something between her and Loki. You heard it here first!
Pride Month conversations. I'm good.
I guess we can assume this display took weeks. Same as perhaps it did yo design and built Sam's Cap suit. They didn't do a good job of showing the progression of time.
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Lou Ferrigno Takes (Not So Subtle) Shot at MCU
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Bucky had no brothers and Steve was an only child. It would make sense that their friendship was like being brothers.
Fans Lash Out At Anthony Mackie After He Shuts Down MCU Romance - Looper
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‘Falcon And The Winter Soldier’ Stunt Coordinator Hank Amos On “Practical Wingsuit Flying” & Becoming A Go-To For Marvel – Production Value
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Anthony Mackie Can’t Speak On Captain America 4, But He Did Drop An Update On Black Panther 2
Anthony Mackie dropped a new update on Black Panther: Wakanda Forever.
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I love Don Cheadle ..... but how the fuck is he going to get a nomination over Carl Lumbly...
@playahaitian we might need a separate discussion thread for this one..
How the hell did he get one over Carl Lumbly .... Don cheadle was in one damn scene.
@playahaitian we might need a separate discussion thread for this one..
How the hell did he get one over Carl Lumbly .... Don cheadle was in one damn scene.
Carl Lumbly got fucking ROBBED!!!
I don't want no black on black but ummm...
that nomination is a joke
much love and respect to the brother Don, he did an awesome job
I agree
I do not think this is the thread for this
no sense in bashing one to raise the other
this was and is carl lumbly award to win
in fact while Falcon winter solider performance was enough?
this is well deserved and over due as a lifetime achievement award.
again EVERYONE on that list deserves to be there and to win.
If Vance wins this I would still be good.
So many ????s Who are the judges? Y'all couldn't tell the difference between black men? Y'all don't want to have another discussion about Bradley background? Is it about Covid Vaccines? I don't even remember Don's lines.
I can't say anything bro..
but to be fair Alan Arkin won a damn Academy Award for 14 min
I aint gonna knock Don
but it doesn't make any type of sense that the the voters thought Don's speech
transcended a performance that was powerful emotional and created a new depth of the history of the MCU.
Lumbly got nominated in another category. I believe best Supporting Actor in a limited series.
I am wrong about this.
‘The Falcon and The Winter Soldier’ Earns Five Emmy Award Nominations
Marvel Studios’ Disney+ series The Falcon and The Winter Soldier has received a total of five Emmy nominations
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