Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

tical

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Who said the craziest or the sickest?

Not me. I said she's gone mad and was gonna go mad. And she has. And what does she have in common with them?

Joffrey sentenced ppl to death cause he could.so did cersei
Ramsay hunted ppl with hounds and tortured them cause he could
Dany burnt a million people destroying women and children CAUSE SHE COULD

When given aboslute power did she show restraint
Or did she burn it all to the ground

You already making excuses and trying to change the narrative? :lol::roflmao2:
So your ultimate defense now is that ANYONE could be mad if given power?

What happened to laying down the framework to show specifically how Dany's descent to darkness makes Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei etc look like saints?
Hell, Do i need to add Reek aka Theon's deed to this mix?

Moreover, what comparable tragedies have Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei experienced to place them in a similar frame of mind as Dany when she was grieving and held all that power? Because I know you're not trying to compare apple to apples while leaving out that pivotal state of mind?
 

TENT

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Did you know that fans figured out who Jon's mother was years before they said it in the show?


There we go again. Mad because the actual plot doesnt jive with the one we made up in our head. :lol:


A dude in here kept parroting that shit last week. When i asked him where he got that from and why he keeps saying it, he told me the books and show said so. :smh:
 

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You already making excuses and trying to change the narrative? :lol::roflmao2:
So your ultimate defense now is that ANYONE could be mad if given power?

What happened to laying down the framework to show specifically how Dany's descent to darkness makes Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei etc look like saints?
Hell, Do i need to add Reek aka Theon's deed to this mix?

Moreover, what comparable tragedies have Joffrey, Ramsay, Cersei experienced to place them in a similar frame of mind as Dany when she was grieving and held all that power? Because I know you're not trying to compare apple to apples while leaving out that pivotal state of mind?

I'm not changing shit

You keep trying to project shit onto me and it ain't working sorry.

I only talked about the ppl you brought up
Jon don't belong in their company cause he's not fucking mad or capable of that and he was the king of the north but yielded it to save them

See how given power he didn't abuse it???????



You keep harping on her being the worst

When I never said that so there is absolutely no reason to prove to you that she's something I never said she is

The show laid framework for years showing her going mad and then it happened

I can't make you pay attention to it Tyrion
 

TENT

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Arya is an assassin like many of you championed just 2 weeks ago. Now when the hack writers convince you of it, she isn't?
She listens to the advice of the Hound, who isn't following his own advice and she doesn't convince him to give up the Fools Errand?
Yeah ok. That is good dialogue? Is that good writing. There is no back and forth dialogue like in the earlier seasons. Shit is too much to type. Fucking bullshit and y'all dumb niggas are buying it.

Show is lame. They had prophecies and storylines hinted at that they ran out of steam on.

Y'all lames have excuses for that too "show is the show"?

Now all of a sudden with a smirk on her face Dany is the MAD QUEEN?

Poorly done. The actress is also horrible.


Yes, they are being handled properly. People on this show are not 1-dimensional. As they don’t ALWAYS do the right thing. They do whatever is in their best interest. They align themselves with whoever can help them achieve their goals. They backslide into old habits. The trajectory of their ‘character arc’ doesn’t always go straight up... or straight down. They’ve shown it all on this show.

I’m supposed to start bitching because Cersei gets sympathy from her brother/lover in her final moments.... when she been fucking him for all these years?? Hell naw.

Arya developed into a savage assassin.... with a singular intent.... and she finally realized that the last name on her list was gonna cost her her life. And I’m supposed to start bitching about that? Hell naw.

The show is the show. And people are mad that their predictions didn’t pan out... and mad that they didn’t get to see the Night King go Super Sayan mode... and they are mad that certain ‘prophecies’ in the books wasn’t addressed on tv because they refused to SEPARATE the show from the books for years.

That’s their problem. Not mine.

I think the show did a fantastic job this season. I enjoyed it. Every second.

War is hell. Innocent people die. Men betray others.... and even themselves. They showed all those different aspects in this season. Too many people IGNORED lots of signs that were right in front of their face. Now they salty because the outcome was not what they expected. And they blame the writing for their own ‘lack of focus’. Nuccas is bitching about all kinds of shit that was clearly explained... ON THE SHOW.

So why would I be mad about that? :dunno:
 

tical

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Where's the Sansa is smarter than everyone crowd?
Did she put the North,7 Kingdoms, her family, Jon in a better place today by breaking her promise?

No one's going to admit she helped make things worse for everyone? No?
 

TENT

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Fuck outta here.
Is Arya mentally ill or your super hero assassin?

You didn't see it lol
Quite literally you're saying and everyone else that it happened suddenly when it didn't
You say stop with the clue dropping shit
Proves my point exactly

You and a lot of you needed them to hold your hand

Instead of subtle going into mental illness like she has been

You needed something more low brow and that's ok
 

TENT

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The old Sansa was smarter. I guess she forced Dany to out herself.
So now Dany is the true villian of the show that needs to be destroyed.
So Sansa played her. Very smart. No?


Where's the Sansa is smarter than everyone crowd?
Did she put the North,7 Kingdoms, her family, Jon in a better place today by breaking her promise?
 

tical

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The old Sansa was smarter. I guess she forced Dany to out herself.
So now Dany is the true villian of the show that needs to be destroyed.
So Sansa played her. Very smart. No?

Lol, sounds like a Fox news spin. Lol!
It obvious Sansa dropped a grenade and had no idea where it was going to land and what the effect was going to be.
Honestly, if you really think about it her "plan" made no sense.

You're going to trigger someone you already think is dangerous, that at the time still had half of her army, and two dragons and is power hungry?
How in the world did she think that was going to play out by revealing Jon secret and threatening her position?
 

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The old Sansa was smarter. I guess she forced Dany to out herself.
So now Dany is the true villian of the show that needs to be destroyed.
So Sansa played her. Very smart. No?
Sansa will be lucky to survive the last episode... the way she tried to undermine Dany. She told Dany the Northerners were ‘too tired’ to fight another war so quickly... but apparently they was out there looking like seasoned war vets when it came time to fight.

She don’t wanna ‘bend the knee’... and she was reluctant to help down in KL.... and she ran her mouth to Tyrion about Jon’s true parents... AFTER she swore not to tell another living soul. :rolleyes:

Best believe Dany gonna confront her on ALL that bullshit she been up to. :yes:

Better hope Arya can kill Dany before she ‘makes an example’ out of Sansa. Just saying.
 

Spectrum

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For everyone that missed all the signs of Dany being ruthless... it's been there all along...you might argue she moved there too quickly, but we don't have enough episodes for more development.... and I don't even think this article covered half of it

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/10/18563566/game-of-thrones-season-8-daenerys-mad-dark-villain

After Sunday’s fifth episode of Game of Thrones season eight, “The Bells,” it seems clear that Daenerys Targaryen may well have been the series’ ultimate villain all along — as she and her last remaining dragon rained serious destruction on King’s Landing, apparently killing thousands, even though the city had surrendered.

It’s already a controversial turn for one of Game of Thrones’ most sympathetic and admirable protagonists; my colleague Alex Abad-Santos, for instance, has criticized it sharply.

But in my view, this turn was inevitable. It’s been amply foreshadowed across several seasons of the TV show (though season eight’s execution of it has been rather ham-handed), and based on George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire novels, it seems to be what Martin planned all along.

I wrote while season five was airing (in 2015) and again during season six (in 2016) that I thought Game of Thrones’ showrunners were laying the groundwork for Dany to become the series’ final antagonist, at least in some form.

Here’s why I’ve long thought this was the showrunners’ — and Martin’s — endgame.

Daenerys has long been capable of great compassion — and great violence
It’s been difficult for many to imagine Dany breaking bad because she’s been one of Game of Thrones’ most moral figures. Where most other characters have ignored the exploitation and abuse of the least powerful, Dany has actually tried to do something about it. She went on a multi-season quest to end slavery, after all. And on the whole, her story has been an empowering and inspiring one.

But the great power her dragons give her also gives her the capacity for great violence — and showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have often seeded the possibility that she could go too far. “As the sphere of her empathy widens, the sphere of her cruelty widens as well,” Weiss said all the way back in 2013, in an “Inside the Episode” segment from season three.

For instance, when Dany took over the city of Meereen during the season four episode “Oathkeeper,” she was so angered by the Meereenese nobles’ crucifixion of slave children that she ordered an equivalent number of captured nobles crucified. What started as a joyous, happy scene of liberation quickly swerved, with even the music turning dark and twisted and screams of pain ringing out as Dany disregarded her advisers’ urgings to take a more merciful path and instead pursued violent executions — or, as she put it, “justice.” (As I wrote at the time, I thought this was “a microcosm of where her story arc is headed.”)

Similarly, in season five’s “Kill the Boy,” after the Meereenese insurgency attacked her advisers, Dany demanded that the leaders of all the city’s great families be brought to her. She chose one of them, seemingly at random — and had him burned to death by one of her dragons, as she gazed on.

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From Game of Thrones season five, episode five, “Kill the Boy.”
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“Who is innocent?” she then asked her other prisoners. “Maybe all of you are, maybe none of you are. Maybe I should let the dragons decide.”

More recently, in season seven’s “Eastwatch,” Dany burned Samwell Tarly’s beloved brother and not-so-beloved father to death after they refused to kneel to her. Game of Throneshammered home that this moment was important by bringing it up in again during the season eight premiere, as Sam learned what Dany had done.

There is similar foreshadowing in Martin’s books. “Madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin,” one character says, describing the Targaryen family. And because Dany is a point-of-view character, we get access to her thoughts as she struggles to resist her temptations to unleash retaliatory violence. At one point, she implies that her only fear is herself. She’s afraid of what she might do.

Just because Dany has achieved great and admirable things doesn’t mean she can’t eventually give in to her worse impulses. And turning a likable and sympathetic character into essentially a villain who must be defeated is a cruel twist fit for the creator of the Red Wedding.


At the end of season seven, Dany made the choice to turn away from her quest for the Iron Throne, to focus instead on saving humanity from the White Walkers. She wholeheartedly devoted herself to that endeavor, and though she didn’t strike the fatal blow, her armies and dragons were clearly crucial to helping the living triumph in the Battle of Winterfell.

Yet in the very next episode, every major character arrived at a sudden consensus that Dany is dangerous and unfit to rule. Sansa told Tyrion, “You’re scared of her,” and he had trouble responding. Varys asked Tyrion whether he thinks Jon or Dany would be the better ruler — and Tyrion again couldn’t respond — before Varys jumped to outright plotting treason, saying, “I worry about her state of mind.”

But at that point, had Dany actually done enough to prompt that drastic turn?

The reason presented in “The Last of the Starks” was that Dany wants to attack King’s Landing and remove Cersei Lannister from power. Tyrion and Varys — wily pragmatists advising a conquering queen — expressed deep moral misgivings about this plan. But their hesitancy is unconvincing, as several past Game of Thrones characters have hoped to take King’s Landing by force without being portrayed as moral monsters. (Similarly, when it was Jon Snow hangingan insubordinate Night’s Watch member, that wasn’t presented as a sign of his unfitness as a leader or his “dark side,” but rather his savviness.)

Obviously, burning down the city entirely would be a far more appalling act, but at that point Dany seemed to be just talking about taking it with her armies, and it was tough to understand why this was so out of bounds considering what else we’ve seen in the world of the show.

In any case, the rest of last week’s episode piled tragedy after tragedy upon Dany in a rather heavy-handed effort to make her snap — and snap she did in “The Bells.” At first, she used her dragonfire mainly to target Cersei’s opposing armies. But once the city rang those titular bells and signaled a surrender, she rejected it, continuing the attack and eventually burning the city indiscriminately.

Was that believable for her character in the moment? To me, it came off a bit like Benioff and Weiss jumped the gun, trying to reach the denouement that Martin seems to have told them is coming without finding a convincing path there. But the results certainly were harrowing.
 

tical

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Sansa will be lucky to survive the last episode... the way she tried to undermine Dany. She told Dany the Northerners were ‘too tired’ to fight another war so quickly... but apparently they was out there looking like seasoned war vets when it came time to fight.

She don’t wanna ‘bend the knee’... and she was reluctant to help down in KL.... and she ran her mouth to Tyrion about Jon’s true parents... AFTER she swore not to tell another living soul. :rolleyes:

Best believe Dany gonna confront her on ALL that bullshit she been up to. :yes:

Better hope Arya can kill Dany before she ‘makes an example’ out of Sansa. Just saying.

But! But! Sansa is soooo smart! I'm sure everything you've written was part of her master plan. Remember she learned from little finger,...LOL
 

dawilleyone

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The only thing that folks have tried to bring up is the fat boys ol'boy and brother being burned and the dude she got the unsullied from.
Clearly, weak examples as fat boys peoples were part of battle and additionally were given the opportunity to surrender and the other dude own slaves..fuck him everyday, all day! Not to mention she gave explicit orders not to harm women and children when she unleashed the unsullied (Does that sound like the makings of a Mad Queen?)

I have to jump in here.

There are specific patterns to the situations when Dany goes full Targaryan when did Flame On

One was the one you mentioned with the Tarly's. She could have just had them executed normally or made them take the black, but she burned them because she felt disrespected that they wouldn't acknowledge her as queen

Burning the unsullied master was 2nd. She never had no intention of dealing fair so she just burned him anyway. She didn't have to do that, she already had the unsullied but she commanded Drogon to flambe the slave master anyway because she enjoyed the satisfaction of seeing him burn after she was disrespectful to him.

The 3rd example was at the Khalasar in Vas Dathrak(?). Jorah and Daario had already snuck in and were prepared to carry her off to safety but she told them no, I want to burn these Khals to ashes and she did it, because she didn't like how they spoke to her.

I'll give her a pass for Vary's because she specifically told him what she would do if he betrayed her. So that wasn't done in anger, that was just her keeping to her word.

Whenever Dany felt extreme disrespect from someone, she only had 1 answer: Fire and Blood. She was capable of being diplomatic most of the time, but if you showed serious disrespect, you gonna burn

I can't even blame her really, She walked into a burning fire and came out with 3 live dragons. I'd be a little f'ed in the head too if I was mother of the only dragons in existence and was invulnerable to fire.

So with them bells ringing and the thought of Cersei and her loyal subjects walking off unharmed after the disrespect shown her, she blooped. Period.

Mentally unstable (I'm a Dragon) people bloop out given the right (wrong) triggers.
 

TENT

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Right. That is why Dany needs to fly to Winterfell and roast Sansa and Bran and everyone in Winterfell.
Dany should stop! She should kill everyone everywhere. No one will ever like her. Just BURN THEM ALL.

Best Show in the History of Television!!!!


Lol, sounds like a Fox news spin. Lol!
It obvious Sansa dropped a grenade and had no idea where it was going to land and what the effect was going to be.
Honestly, if you really think about it her "plan" made no sense.

You're going to trigger someone you already think is dangerous, that at the time still had half of her army, and two dragons and is power hungry?
How in the world did she think that was going to play out by revealing Jon secret and threatening her position?
 

TENT

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I like the Old Sansa. New Sansa can die for all I care.

BURN THEM ALL.


Sansa will be lucky to survive the last episode... the way she tried to undermine Dany. She told Dany the Northerners were ‘too tired’ to fight another war so quickly... but apparently they was out there looking like seasoned war vets when it came time to fight.

She don’t wanna ‘bend the knee’... and she was reluctant to help down in KL.... and she ran her mouth to Tyrion about Jon’s true parents... AFTER she swore not to tell another living soul. :rolleyes:

Best believe Dany gonna confront her on ALL that bullshit she been up to. :yes:

Better hope Arya can kill Dany before she ‘makes an example’ out of Sansa. Just saying.
 

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The 2 worst things were Golden Company being completely nerfed and Euron swimming back to shore to KL for no good reason. Once euron's whole fleet was torched, he would've known to swim to find a boat or something asap to escape to Essos. Even without any ships or a crew, Euron's skills and rep would let him build a crew and fleet back up in Essos. Golden Company were supposed to have summer islander archers and be the single best fighting unit, they lasted about 15 seconds smh.
 

tical

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Right. That is why Dany needs to fly to Winterfell and roast Sansa and Bran and everyone in Winterfell.
Dany should stop! She should kill everyone everywhere. No one will ever like her. Just BURN THEM ALL.

Best Show in the History of Television!!!!

We know it won't get to that point(Clearly, Dany is going to die next episode)
But without question at this point nothing is to stopping her from killing Jon, Tyroin, and then flying to Winterfall to ask Sansa to talk that shit now!
 

dawilleyone

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For instance, when Dany took over the city of Meereen during the season four episode “Oathkeeper,” she was so angered by the Meereenese nobles’ crucifixion of slave children that she ordered an equivalent number of captured nobles crucified. What started as a joyous, happy scene of liberation quickly swerved, with even the music turning dark and twisted and screams of pain ringing out as Dany disregarded her advisers’ urgings to take a more merciful path and instead pursued violent executions — or, as she put it, “justice.” (As I wrote at the time, I thought this was “a microcosm of where her story arc is headed.”)

Similarly, in season five’s “Kill the Boy,” after the Meereenese insurgency attacked her advisers, Dany demanded that the leaders of all the city’s great families be brought to her. She chose one of them, seemingly at random — and had him burned to death by one of her dragons, as she gazed on.
I had forgot about these two examples, but yeah Dany turned to Fire and Blood solutions more often than folks remember
 

FJP

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She just literally finished what her father started which sparked the entire show lol

But no not deep at all
No the killing of Jon Arryn sparked the show. The realm was at peace when Robert took over. He had the crown for 15 years when he died. The show has basically taken place in 5 years.
 

footloose

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:roflmao::lol:
Just stop man... It's obvious her old man's word rings true.

Tywin to Cersei: "You're not as smart as you think you are."
It don’t take smarts for a bitch to know what buttons to push. Ya Average hood bitch has that knowledge. It’s not rocket science

Was that you a couple pages ago saying Dany wasn’t showing signs of becoming the mad queen ?
 

FJP

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Final episode predictions?
I don’t think that little girl that Varys was talking to died and I think those that word got out. I think that letter got somewhere with soldiers.

I think Sansa got word to everybody in the North and possibly beyond. They all love Jon. Not to mention that the North men already there are still Jon’s men.

I think when the dust settles Jon will oppose her and when she will talk about her army and that’s when the forces will show up with Sansa and the forces... and Bran.

When Dany tells Drogon to fire on Jon I think Bran will interfere either by warging into Drogon or getting in Danys head giving Arya enough time to kill her.

Jon will be King but will tear down the iron throne cause he will hate what it stands for and a burned Kings Landing will be just a regular city and Jon will rule from
The North. .....
 

Amajorfucup

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Did you know that fans figured out who Jon's mother was years before they said it in the show?
Well that wasnt exactly a genius discovery. The original Maester from the wall essentially told Jon he was Targyrean early season 1. But either way, whats your point? Im not saying fan speculation is a bad thing. Im specifically talking about guys creating shit in their minds and passing it off as shit that was presented in the book and show, and people being disappointed not in the story but in the revelation that the story is not in alignment with the story they concocted in their heads.
 

FJP

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For that Sansa talk y’all gotta realize Dany is fighting with Sansas men that are ONLY doing it because of Jon. If Jon and Sansa turn...they do too. Dany needs the North army.
 

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Final episode predictions?
I don’t think that little girl that Varys was talking to died and I think those that word got out. I think that letter got somewhere with soldiers.

I think Sansa got word to everybody in the North and possibly beyond. They all love Jon. Not to mention that the North men already there are still Jon’s men.

I think when the dust settles Jon will oppose her and when she will talk about her army and that’s when the forces will show up with Sansa and the forces... and Bran.

When Dany tells Drogon to fire on Jon I think Bran will interfere either by warging into Drogon or getting in Danys head giving Arya enough time to kill her.

Jon will be King but will tear down the iron throne cause he will hate what it stands for and a burned Kings Landing will be just a regular city and Jon will rule from
The North. .....

There won’t be another battle ai don’t think. Too expensive. Whatever happens will be person to person.
 
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