If rappers never talked about violence or drugs. Would the Hood be different?
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That’s how I see it , Cac Jews push a certain type of hiphop. The conscious era was able to thrive with gangsta rap. You even had conscious rappers and gangsta shit on the same records. Same gang and self destruction etc was made and was popular. Those songs could not be made today. Even Jay Z said he’d like to rap like common sense but can’t.
The ultra negative shit now days is made by people who aren’t really rappers. People like King Von and Durk, FGB Duck etc. how many people have died from that smoking on a something pack and all that dumb shit? There’s a reason the industry pushes this negative music.
If Eminem can get millions of white kids to cut their hair and dye it blond , why wouldn’t the other shit influence some Black youth? I remember niggas wearing that weird head shit that Andre 3000 was wearing .
Not in the hood, no. But maybe in the suburbs where you see a lot of kids trying to act hard and do hood shit.
I remember the period of Rap before Gangsta Rap when
the positive messaging was progressive toward education, knowledge cautionary tales.
Similarly during that period, shows like "a different world" made people want to be smart
get educated, become something legit, use more words and understand on higher levels.
Being from the "Hood" has never been an Excuse to be stupid or a criminal.
Im from Chicago where plenty of people came from "The Hood", projects and every
other adverse circunstance you can name and still didnt end up in jail or
dead.
The glorification of Bullshit surely wouldnt make it all go away ...But as I see it
It definatly made people aspire to be trash and do dumb shit because it appeared easier
and made it cool... or a flex to be A criminal or always seem like life is a constant struggle
Even when It wasnt. What Hood cat doesnt want Bitches Money and Cars without the struggle of work?
It brought out all the 2 parent suburban wanna be thugs and made the shit
being talked about in the songs seem attractive.
Yes Things would have been very different for a lot of people
the positive messaging was progressive toward education, knowledge cautionary tales.
Similarly during that period, shows like "a different world" made people want to be smart
get educated, become something legit, use more words and understand on higher levels.
Being from the "Hood" has never been an Excuse to be stupid or a criminal.
Im from Chicago where plenty of people came from "The Hood", projects and every
other adverse circunstance you can name and still didnt end up in jail or
dead.
The glorification of Bullshit surely wouldnt make it all go away ...But as I see it
It definatly made people aspire to be trash and do dumb shit because it appeared easier
and made it cool... or a flex to be A criminal or always seem like life is a constant struggle
Even when It wasnt. What Hood cat doesnt want Bitches Money and Cars without the struggle of work?
It brought out all the 2 parent suburban wanna be thugs and made the shit
being talked about in the songs seem attractive.
Yes Things would have been very different for a lot of people
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Black-on-Black violence isn't a new phenomenon. Who were the popular rappers when the Mau Mau ruled the world? The violence is based on economics.
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25yrs in biz. I just started banning Death rap in my studio here in Sweden. The byproduct of rap culture has infiltrated every culture dependent on US's protection
I think it's a fair question within the community of our people. I grew up in the 80's, and this was not the musical topics pushed by LL, Run DMC, Big Daddy Kane, KRS1, Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince...etc, etc. The dope game was demonized (in general) at that time.
No, it wouldn't be different. Rappers are just making a living with what they're given. White society rewards rappers for rapping about drugs and violence. If rappers didn't exist, white society would find another way of rewarding the drugs and violence mentality in the black community.
What plays a role is unemployment
If people had jobs they wouldn't commit crimes
Period
Legit some of the worst replies and analogies ive ever read in my life.
If everything is about money in a capitalist system, who and where are the financial gains being distributed to with black death?
Aren’t cac rappers over there now killing each other over drill rap?
To ignore the cultural influence that music has on its listeners is so absurd, that at this point, anyone doing so should almost immediately be labeled a fucking moron.
Rap music and hip hop culture was created as a POSITIVE ALTERNATIVE to all the fuck up shit that was happening back in the 70s. A way to take all of that negative energy young people were using to do dumbshit and criminal activity and burn that energy off in creative ways like music (DJing & Rapping) and dance (break dancing/pop locking) and art (graffiti, okay that one is really vandalism but STILL!)
And for the MOST part all of that was very creative as @illlit stated.
The trajectory of RAP MUSIC (as opposed to hip hop culture) is the exact same trajectory that rock music took back in the 50s 60s 70s 80s so forth.
The things people are complaining about rap today are the SAME EXACT things they were complaining about rock 20,30,40 years ago...
the misogyny, violence, materialism, all except the occultic shit..and that will probably be next in a few years..
Look at The PMRC's Filthy 15 songs of 1985....rap is not on there..
V for violence
O for references to the occult
D/A for overuse of drugs/alcohol
X for harsh sexual content
Prince -- "Darling Nikki" -- Rated X
Sheena Easton -- "Sugar Walls" -- Rated X
Judas Priest -- "Eat Me Alive" -- Rated X
Motley Crue --"Bastard" -- Rated V
W.A.S.P. -- "(Animal) F-U-C-K Like a Beast" -- Rated X
Mercyful Fate -- "Into the Coven" -- Rated O
Vanity -- "Strap on Robbie Baby" -- Rated X
Def Leppard -- "High n' Dry" -- Rated D/A
Twisted Sister -- "We're Not Gonna Take It" -- Rated V
Madonna -- "Dress You Up" -- Rated X
Cyndi Lauper -- "She Bop" -- Rated X
AC/DC -- "Let Me Put My Love Into You" -- Rated X
Black Sabbath -- "Trashed" -- Rated D/A
Mary Jane Girls -- "My House" -- Rated X
Venom -- "Possessed" -- Rated O
That list today would easily be dominated by rap songs.
Would things be better in the black community if rap music today didn't have that negative influence?? Probably... but NOT to the degree that you would think.
I think C Dolores Tucker and Reverend Butts saw that no good could come from the negative images gangster rappers were promoting and glorifying. No one made the same issue of politically conscious rap and that had the same kind of harsh storytelling BUT with a purpose. By the time you get to the gangsta heyday those cats weren't even trying to use those stories in a cautionary tale or a way to illustrate an important message they were just capitalizing on the negative for profit but at the cost of negatively influencing black youth.
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I don't think violence and drug talk in Hip Hop music is by any means the sole reason for what goes on in the hood, but to think that music doesn't play a part in perpetuating feelings or influences in folk's mindset would be false.
Just as how studies show violent video games, movies, and media can desensitize children and young people (people in general) when it comes to imagery such as death and violence, music can have negative (and positive effects) on the people who listen.
Enough to make the "hood" the hood? Not sure because the hood existed before 1975.
The drug and violence talk in music doesn't help the hood though. My 2 cents.
Just as how studies show violent video games, movies, and media can desensitize children and young people (people in general) when it comes to imagery such as death and violence, music can have negative (and positive effects) on the people who listen.
Enough to make the "hood" the hood? Not sure because the hood existed before 1975.
The drug and violence talk in music doesn't help the hood though. My 2 cents.
The problem isn't economics. I don't think children comprehend this sentiment anyway. It's a spiritual deficiency. We must question why/how young children are drawn to demonic music. They talking about Switches, opps, sliding in Swedish.
Also, Poverty is viewed differently over here. Having a 'roof', food, access to healthcare is a civil right in SE.
One of the artists i work with. I love this kid but i just can't support death culture any longer
So don't tell me about big bad government. Don't tell me why we don't vote. Government is an unfair arbitrator in the distribution/allocation of public dollars.
Arab on Arab. Just hit a 20yr yesterday on my street.. Broad daylight by a crowded restaurant
Man skjuten till döds i Landskrona
En man i 20-årsåldern har skjutits till döds mitt i ett bostadsområde i Landskrona. En stor polisinsats pågår på platsen
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What a garbage sentence. Nothing happens in a vacuum -- everything is influenced by something. What we are discussing is the value of the influence of that genre on criminality, specifically, violence. What role/if it plays?
Having these discussions are built it to the defense and support of the continual exploitation for “economical” needs.
Yes
Not completely different, but different.
Not completely different, but different.
Children can't understand economics but spirituality? If you're given a treat if you do something, you're being conditioned.
How does the black death impact the economy?
how many times are you gonna remix and ask this same question?
Vacuum? Value of the influence? Economical needs?
What are you even talking about? Why try to over complicate a simple question with word soup nonsense.
Read OP one more time and try again.
Because death is why we are here. The Natives couldn't do the job so they imported us. If we can't do the job, they're going to get someone else. What is the context of my existence?
Uh, huh.
Right.
Please post the song, rhyme or lyric that incited you (personally) to go out and kill another Black man.
- Sell drugs.
- Call women bitches.
- Be an absentee father.
- Degrade or destroy your neighborhood.
Or...
Is it about you & your own personal choices in life regardless of the music you listen to...?
'Cuz I guarantee you this motherfucker didn't listen to rap or hiphop a day in his life, and yet he STILL went out and specifically murdered Black people.
Unlike the 99.99% of Black people in America who listen to and consume Rap & HipHip on a daily basis and yet, who never act violently...
Let me explain it in a way that can help you understand a bit better. First and foremost, I live in Chicago. I'm only 10 minutes up the street from O block. Where you can find 12-year-olds trying to find switches for the Glocks on a daily basis. Something they would have known nothing about if it wasn't for drill music or being an environment that promotes the activities that you will find being spoke about in drill music.
Artist like Ozzy Osbourne may have bit off the head of a bat, but you didn't see a hundreds of white kids trying to buy bats to bite their heads off.
However, what you do see in our community is if one rapper like Future says he's popping perks, Guess what? All the young misguided kids that don't have parents or parental figures in their home, that don't know or understand the concept of entertainment and believe everything that a rapper says is real and wants to emulate that person, they will go find some perks to pop to be popular.
What you fail to realize is that 70% of our black community does not have a two-parent home in most cases. Also our community lacks male guidance, therefore when you have both structures out of place you end up with a bunch of children looking in all the wrong places for much needed attention. The music industry knows this which is why they created social programming.
While you post white people that do mass shootings, and talk about fox news. You fail to post the hundreds of black kids that do mass shootings, robberies and scams. And then our community is related to trying to get attention and do something they heard from a song.
There was a rap artist from Detroit there was posting how to scam credit cards in his music which taught other kids how to scam credit cards. If you just do a simple search and you will find that rap music can be detrimental to simple-minded people.
I'm not understanding why you don't know this?
I believe you are right. Time to put this in motion.
We do vote.
That's why they work so hard to suppress OUR vote and nobody else
This isn't an immigrant hate post --
If your people were slaves and you've got generations of people who went through hell, you've been instilled the importance of voting because it was something we could not do and had to die in order to get it done
My grandma would've been murdered for trying to vote and then ended up being able to vote for the 1st black president
It's not voting it's lobbying
Everybody lies to get into office
Once they get in the ppl who funded their campaigns make the laws
And black death has been the #1 business in America.
