If rappers never talked about violence or drugs. Would the Hood be different?

[jawnswoop]

Violence has been going on for centuries way before rap existed.

So, blaming rap is cop out for the weak minded niggas that be doing dumb shit because of what their favorite rapper said when the majority of rappers aren't even about that life nor did any of that shit.

People can listen to rap without doing crime but then again not everybody got their own mind to make choices they know is right or wrong.

Also, I guess the same can be said about video games since people love them games with crimes.

 

[cashwhisperer]

They don’t hear you though.. the 70s in nyc look like a pure hell hole. It was a bunch of crews and gangs fighting for territory.. the 70s was the heroin era.. yet there was no rap music being played.. so why was it so bad then? It wasn’t the music.. Isley bros was playing love songs and all kinda love tracks and disco.. but nigs want to act like pre rap era was black paradise and black progress fuck outta here.. from an economic point and even violence point it’s better now than it was back in the 70s and 80s.. nigs on here trying to get 1400 the cell phones back in the 70/80s ya nigs would’ve been sitting ducks and robbed for ya shit.. nigs don’t understand how much privileged they are now compared to back in the days

I agree with all this, but I want to say it wasn't like that all over the US like it is now. Shit was only like that in the projects and ghettos of the major cities, not the rural areas. Now that gangsta shit is in small towns you never heard of across the south.

And I know for a fact that Black boys who came from good homes in the 90's were faking like they were gangsta when NWA, Dre, Boyz In The Hood, & Menace II Society were in full swing across the airwaves. I remember being upset when niggas I knew started that fake gangsta shit because I was like, "......nigga you played Little Drummer Boy on the trumpet at church for the Christmas program, stop it! you ain't no gangsta nigga yo Mom is a CPA and your Dad a lawyer, fuck outta here!"

 

[Dr. Truth]

I’m not sure why y’all are purposely misinterpreting the question posed by Q Tip. Nobody is saying rap caused all violence, or that violence would go away with no rap, the question is does rap contribute to how things are in the hood with extra negativity . Certain cities were always plagued with issues but the fact shit has spread nationwide like this can be contributed to certain rap in some way. Y’all remember Bangin in Little Rock from the 90’s? All them niggas listened to was Dre and Snoop the entire documentary. Bloods and Crips in Arkansas? They were strait up admitting the music was influencing their behavior.

 

[tallblacknyc]

You sound like my mom when I was in high school. Nothing in the hood won't change until our women decide they want to date a guy of a higher caliber AKA corny niggas. I know some of you mental slumdwelling, are saying "Why should she want a corny nigga?". Why not, when in the last 50 has their way of dating/mating worked? Until they put the betterment of their race over the sexual desire, things will stay the same.

I'm moving this summer to Windsor Terrace from Canarsie. Nigga Time and Single Mother Shit has gotten the best of this neighborhood. Those engaing in both, enjoy!

You don’t have to be gangster in order to be cool.. there’s a lot of nigs that ain’t gangster that are looked at as top notch nigs to the opposite sex. It’s many categories of non corny nigs. You could be highly intelligent and not be corny.. a class clown and not be corny.. a pretty boy and not be corny.. just a cool nig and not be corny.. athlete not be corny, and many more.. you also can have a variety of those qualities in one person. Why do individuals act like nigs only know how to be one dimensional.. you could be funny, be smart, know how to dress, and know how to play sports all in one.. it’s many nigs that are versatile.. if you are one dimensional and that quality is being a lame/ corny that falls on you not the female species. No animal on the planet would mess with the weakest males of their species cause their future generations would become weak and possibly become extinct cause of it. So don’t ask the human animal species to do the same.. man up

 

[tallblacknyc]

I’m not sure why y’all are purposely misinterpreting the question posed by Q Tip. Nobody is saying rap caused all violence, or that violence would go away with no rap, the question is does rap contribute to how things are in the hood with extra negativity . Certain cities were always plagued with issues but the fact shit has spread nationwide like this can be contributed to certain rap in some way. Y’all remember Bangin in Little Rock from the 90’s? All them niggas listened to was Dre and Snoop the entire documentary. Bloods and Crips in Arkansas? They were strait up admitting the music was influencing their behavior.

A gang member went into their town and influenced them.. lot of those white kids were lost causes in the first place.. one of the chicks use to get molested by her father and was a runaway.. rap music didn’t cause her family trauma a pedo did.. she joined the gang looking for a form of escape and love.. some of them other white kids had problems to.. so that wasn’t hip hop that was finding a bunch of outcast and giving them a opportunity to join something with a negative agenda.. that shit been going on for centuries.. kinda like the kkk

 

[Diomedes3000]

Legit some of the worst replies and analogies ive ever read in my life.

Facts kneegrows is dumb as hell and these are veteran posters. I thought these brothers knew better

 

[Diomedes3000]

Let me be the one to add perspective since I have 20 plus years working within the music industry.

Yes, the BLK community would be different. How do I know this?

Well first, it's a big difference between talking about it vs glorifying it. The difference is '80s and '90s raps talked about it, but not so much glorifying it but giving all sides, via death and jail. They didn't try to make it seem cool and popular as if you need to do what they're doing. They told stories.

Today's rap it's a popularity contest about who has the most hitters in their crew and who can kill the most. It's cool to be a crip or a blood, GD or BD. It's cool to glorify the gang that you're in. It's cool to cause destruction to kill your ops, oh and did I mention that somehow all the "OPs" just so happens to to be BLK?

We need contexts when we're speaking on these facts about rap music. Today, rap music is detrimental to black society because 90% of it, is all about the destruction of self.
Rap in the '90s and '80s was not about the destruction of self, it was a looking-glass into what was going on in various communities. There was also a variety of different raps songs to balance that out. So you can hear KRS-One and NWA along with the ghetto boys and a Tribe Called Quest in your music count down or playlist. Today all Rap count downs are 10 straight songs of self destructive, deplorable acts of violence and self degregation.

How do I also know that our community would be different if rap music with themes of gangsterism wasn't played we would be better off? Because Whity wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars investing in making sure that trap, drill and gangsta music is the only music that's played on the radio 24 hours a day, in all forms of media.That is how you know the difference.

This went over most of these brothers heads

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

Let me be the one to add perspective since I have 20 plus years working within the music industry.

Yes, the BLK community would be different. How do I know this?

Well first, it's a big difference between talking about it vs glorifying it. The difference is '80s and '90s raps talked about it, but not so much glorifying it but giving all sides, via death and jail. They didn't try to make it seem cool and popular as if you need to do what they're doing. They told stories.

Today's rap it's a popularity contest about who has the most hitters in their crew and who can kill the most. It's cool to be a crip or a blood, GD or BD. It's cool to glorify the gang that you're in. It's cool to cause destruction to kill your ops, oh and did I mention that somehow all the "OPs" just so happens to to be BLK?

We need contexts when we're speaking on these facts about rap music. Today, rap music is detrimental to black society because 90% of it, is all about the destruction of self.
Rap in the '90s and '80s was not about the destruction of self, it was a looking-glass into what was going on in various communities. There was also a variety of different raps songs to balance that out. So you can hear KRS-One and NWA along with the ghetto boys and a Tribe Called Quest in your music count down or playlist. Today all Rap count downs are 10 straight songs of self destructive, deplorable acts of violence and self degregation.

How do I also know that our community would be different if rap music with themes of gangsterism wasn't played we would be better off? Because Whity wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars investing in making sure that trap, drill and gangsta music is the only music that's played on the radio 24 hours a day, in all forms of media.That is how you know the difference.

Post the year nominee!!!

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

What's scary about us and the future, even in this thread, most of us do not understand how programing works.
If you don't think what you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch has anything to do with how you behave, or how you are
formed as a human being, you've got to think harder than that. I believe right now, rap music is probably the #1 recruiter
for the prison industrial complex including white kids

 

[cashwhisperer]

It would. Rap ingrains negative perceptions of how we see ourselves. I’m surprised by the posts describing the lyrics as “what they see” in the hood because most of it is heavily embellished and from the angle of violence.

I see kids and adults shape their vernacular, posture, clothing choices, and perceptions from rap music.

IMO the biggest barrier to Black progress is the negative perceptions and low expectations we have of ourselves. A lot of immigrated communities have been having better outcomes despite coming from worse conditions.

I've seen horrific car accidents in person. I don't go write songs about the shit. That's why I can't go with the "what they see" argument. Because the intent in doing it is, especially coming from the gangsta standpoint, is to get rich and famous and ball out. It ain't to bring awareness to a tragic situation. It's to get PAID off a tragic situation. I don't blame anybody for trying to improve their situation. But let's not lie to ourselves on what the shit is really all about.

 

[lazarus]

you will see a slight reduction. the majority is due to necessity but you got these ja morant and burb kids wanting to be cool and getting into that life. I know middle class white dudes in gangs.

But even if black people stood up for once and said we are not going to project ourselves to this to the detriment of our community for money, they will supply agents in the hood to keep us killing each other and changing our mindset to "get rich or die trying". It's design. And it works even more so without two strong parents.

 

[Better]

There is a video on YT of Monster talking about when he, Tookie, and Raymond Washington was riding around listening to 'Zoom' by Commodores.


The founder of the Crips, Tookie, and Monster Kody were riding around listening to a Commodores song?

I haven't even heard much about Raymond Washington, but it stands to reason the founder of the Crips enjoyed the festivities. Monster's name is Monster, and for Tookie to found the West Side Crips and have all manner of killers and cut-throats follow him - he obviously wasn't a peace-loving hippie.

So, is it that violent music make people violent, or is it that violent people are drawn to music that reflects their lifestyle?

 

[^SpiderMan^]

I've seen horrific car accidents in person. I don't go write songs about the shit. That's why I can't go with the "what they see" argument. Because the intent in doing it is, especially coming from the gangsta standpoint, is to get rich and famous and ball out. It ain't to bring awareness to a tragic situation. It's to get PAID off a tragic situation. I don't blame anybody for trying to improve their situation. But let's not lie to ourselves on what the shit is really all about.

The truth is that it isn't even what they are living or see. These dudes are rapping about being kingpins, meeting with the plug regularly, murdering dozens of "opps", and pulling beautiful women. The reality is that they are small time dope dealers making close to minimum wage (per hour), petty criminals, no bodies, with badly built baby mommas. None of them are rapping about how scared they were when locked up, what it is like to lose close friends but scared to get "get back", or what it is like to not have much money and still get robbed for the lil bit of money you have. These are the real stories they are living in the hood.

 

[cashwhisperer]

The truth is that it isn't even what they are living or see. These dudes are rapping about being kingpins, meeting with the plug regularly, murdering dozens of "opps", and pulling beautiful women. The reality is that they are small time dope dealers making close to minimum wage (per hour), petty criminals, no bodies, with badly built baby mommas. None of them are rapping about how scared they were when locked up, what it is like to lose close friends but scared to get "get back", or what it is like to not have much money and still get robbed for the lil bit of money you have. These are the real stories they are living in the hood.

Absolutely.

And now that they are petty dealers they are willing to do anything (catch a body, an innocent civilian) to gain clout and be feared, then go to prison for 10+ years to be around a bunch of other savage niggas rather than see the light in attending college, fuckin a lotta chicks and building a future for themselves where they can grow gracefully into old age. They don't have the guidance and so it's just a sad cycle.

 

[REDLINE]

Yes things and “The Hood” would be different.

 

[mk23666]

As I see it, there's a difference between rapping about it like a reporter or investigator and rapping for it like a promoter or advertiser.

 

[geechiedan]

As I see it, there's a difference between rapping about it like a reporter or investigator and rapping for it like a promoter or advertiser.

whats the difference??

 

[mk23666]

whats the difference??

In my opinion, a reporter/investigator tells you about a thing happening to inform you about the thing, the promoter/advertiser tells you about a thing happening to entice you to join in/buy in to the thing.

 

[4 Dimensional]

In my opinion, a reporter/investigator tells you about a thing happening to inform you about the thing, the promoter/advertiser tells you about a thing happening to entice you to join in/buy in to the thing.

The problem with any form of art is that regardless of the artist’s intentions, the receiver can interpret the art how they want to. Many people doesn’t possess the ability to know the difference. Hence, there are those that will misinterpret something as informative as something that is advertising or promoting. The line is fine.

 

[mk23666]

The problem with any form of art is that regardless of the artist’s intentions, the receiver can interpret the art how they want to. Many people doesn’t possess the ability to know the difference. Hence, there are those that will misinterpret some as informative as something that is advertising or promoting. The line is fine.

No doubt.

 

[cashwhisperer]

The problem with any form of art is that regardless of the artist’s intentions, the receiver can interpret the art how they want to. Many people doesn’t possess the ability to know the difference. Hence, there are those that will misinterpret some as informative as something that is advertising or promoting. The line is fine.

Yeah. It's like when Little Brother put out that satirical song imitating R Kelly and Ron Isley, and people couldn't tell the song wasn't to be taken seriously....

 

[TENT]

If the news stopped reporting crime, would it cease to exist?

Exactly...same logic!

If the news did not report on crime then there would be less crime actually. Your logic isn't as logical as you think.

 

[TENT]

I was in the industry for 20 plus years and I can tell you the cacs that run it made sure to kill the positivity movement. Once artists couldn't have a career with a positive message, a lot switched to being gangster.

All they are doing is trying to make money. If Conscious Rap sold like DMX, 50 and 2Pac they would put ALL their money behind Conscious Rap.

They are in the business to make money. They don't care if parents don't raise their kids or their kids are fucking impressionable.

 

[TENT]

Uh, huh.
Right.
Please post the song, rhyme or lyric that incited you (personally) to go out and kill another Black man.
- Sell drugs.
- Call women bitches.
- Be an absentee father.
- Degrade or destroy your neighborhood.

Or...
Is it about you & your own personal choices in life regardless of the music you listen to...?

'Cuz I guarantee you this motherfucker didn't listen to rap or hiphop a day in his life, and yet he STILL went out and specifically murdered Black people.


Unlike the 99.99% of Black people in America who listen to and consume Rap & HipHip on a daily basis and yet, who never act violently...
​

I heard MANY people say that Young Jeezy made them want to be a drug dealer.
I was never a Young Jeezy fan and I was in shock!

 

[TENT]

There is definitely influence.

Every nigga in yall hood was dressing like how this dude dressed for 20 years!

 

[CptMARVEL]

I heard MANY people say that Young Jeezy made them want to be a drug dealer.
I was never a Young Jeezy fan and I was in shock!

I reiterate:
Please post a lyric that incited YOU personally to sell drugs.
And if you haven't engaged in such activity, then pleaese explain why you haven't...

 

[TENT]

I reiterate:
Please post a lyric that incited YOU personally to sell drugs.
And if you haven't engaged in such activity, then pleaese explain why you haven't...

Cause I got sense and don't want to go to jail or kill anyone to make sure I make quick money?
But everyone isn't like me.

 

[Cannibal]

Let's ask the question..what negative things did you learn from rap music?
Molly
Percosets
syrup
Draco
Not loving these hoes
Glocks
Tec9

Bruh, stop kidding yourselves. Music is influential. Nothing good is going to come from men rapping and glorifying killing his brother, pimping his sister, refusing to maintain a productive relationship, robbing, shooting, doing drugs, selling drugs. The music, reinforces negative behavior. Even if you're already bad, it reinforces it. Its the difference between you doing bad and one uncle is telling you "hey nephew, don't do that, it'll get you in deeper trouble" vs the other uncle telling you "Rob 'em, shoot 'em, loot 'em, fuck her, duck her" ...C'mon.

 

[ZuluSam]

It astonishes me that some are so invested in the idea that music does not influence conduct. That is crazy to me. No one is saying that rap created bad conduct, or without rap all criminal activity would cease overnight....but to say it does not influence conduct is foolish to me.

Like I said before, do you not agree that it can influence listeners to drink Hennessy or CasaMigos or pop Molly and Percs??? Or drink that purple drank? Oh yeah..it does but it stops there....it won't influence folk to act gangster...nope won't do it.

And like someone said before, there is a different between commentating on one's environment, including the good and bad; and glorifying the gangster life. The later encourages some to imitate.....because that is what is cool, that is what is in. Go to any criminal courthouse in the morning and if you don't see damn near half the black defendants dressed like a damn rapper, I will eat these words.

And clearly ya'll don't listen to 'drill' rap, whose sole content is discussing REAL murders and REAL murdered people. These 'artist' literally put out songs about the shit they did months or even weeks ago against the 'ops' FORCING the ops to retaliate and put out a song about the retaliation.

 

[DJCandle]

I think hip hop is a marketable catalyst, but nowhere near the root issues.

Those problems run deeper than rap.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Cause I got sense and don't want to go to jail or kill anyone to make sure I make quick money?
But everyone isn't like me.

That's funny.
'Cuz statistically, the vast majority of Black people (men, women & children) think, feel & behave the exact way you describe here.
Facts.

 

[jagu]

Poverty fuels violence. In a country where guns are sold like toys, there will always be violence in poor areas. Rap has a very minute game influence on violence.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Poverty fuels violence. In a country where guns are sold like toys, there will always be violence in poor areas. Rap has a very minute game influence on violence.

Please say this again.
For those among us who are "less imformed" about the primary social ills of today's society.
Or for the closeted, self hating, Black FOX News viewers who believe in that "pull ourselves up by the bootstrap" bullshit when historically, Black people NEVER HAD fuckin' boots to begin with...

 

[TENT]

That's funny.
'Cuz statistically, the vast majority of Black people (men, women & children) think, feel & behave the exact way you describe here.
Facts.

And minorities can literally end the world.
So you can come with statistics or you can look outside and see the carnage being created.

 

[cstrong79]

You can love and appreciate hiphop and also recognize it has been detrimental to black people.

Agreed. Rap isn't the cause for the problems in the community but it sure ain't helping.