We watched it but didn’t watch it. A few days ago someone quoted a Martin line. Martin has cultural relevance with less ratings. Why is that? They’re going to use the same rationale for Abott Elementary too.
Jaleel White on feeling left out in the legacy of Black entertainment, saying, “If it’s not a hood story, it’s not a Black story,”
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the culture doesn't rate the urkel show which is why most of the post have negative views of that show. There are millions of big macs been eatin every day that doesn't mean they are good.
Nig wasn’t even on the original intro
literally was gonna be an extra and than became the main attracticon… made millions off that character..why you mad jaleel?
literally was gonna be an extra and than became the main attracticon… made millions off that character..why you mad jaleel?
and yet, it has no relevancy in 2024, while a lot of those shows are still popular and culturally relevant.
Family Matters had better ratings than Cosby Show and Different World?
You identified and related to corny ass Urkel, huh?
Cheese is your favorite food?
I believe the dude who played the homo that called Martin "Almondy" in the DMV episode was one of the shows writers or producers. Bentley Kyle Evans I think was his name.
I think Fonzie wasn't supposed to be the star of 'Happy Days' either.
I Don’t think he was only supposed to get 1 scene/show… Urkel was gonna be a 1 and done segment
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martin had plenty of white writers bruh
The more this dude talks, the more it becomes evident this dude really has a huge chip on his shoulder and is hiding some deep seeded resentment...... now whether it's towards the show, (adults....?) or the industry as a whole, I haven't quite settled on...... but dude is really lashing out and showing his true colors......
Why talk negatively about shows that had black EPs, writers and majority ADULT black casts?
Living Single and Martin did not have the same target demos as Family Matters..... hell Martin use to come on at 10pm iirc.
This quote and the last one regarding Netflix should've done a show about his experiences on FM are telling more than he is actually saying.
Why talk negatively about shows that had black EPs, writers and majority ADULT black casts?
Living Single and Martin did not have the same target demos as Family Matters..... hell Martin use to come on at 10pm iirc.
This quote and the last one regarding Netflix should've done a show about his experiences on FM are telling more than he is actually saying.
Family Matters was the middle class 90s version of Good Times.
I wouldn't even put family matters on the same level as good times.
I responded to comments before listening to what Jaleel said.
Jaleel is wrong and disagree with him.
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I don't look at GT the way as I did when I first started watching it. For similar reasons I do with FM.
I actually forgot when the show started Steve Urkel was only suppose the be a supporting character. The show itself was actually a spin off from another NBC show called Perfect Strangers. At the time the premise of Family Matters was supposed to be based on the family life of Harriette Winslow who was a supporting character on Perfect Strangers. Looking back, Hariette Winslow was Initially supposed to be the main star attraction of that show. But audiences couldn't get enough of Steve Urkel, so the writers pimped and pushed that character out in front and the rest was history.
I knew back then a lof of tv shows were filmed in front of a live studio audience, I think Family Matters was one of them.
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family matters is dripping with relevance... some brothers can relate to being a outsider or a awkward kid like urkel and in some cases eddie and waldo. at it peak fm drew 12.4 million views.. none of those shows touch that
thats bs, i do know most cats out here was trying to be a fake ass stefan with the ladies
The show surrounded by Full House, Step by Step, Dinosaurs, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Boy Meets World, and other white ass shows.
Regardless of what he said and the quote that I posted of what he said, he's still wrong.
He's butthurt because other shows are still relevant and being talked about today vs family matters where people don't even bother acknowledging that show.
I'll be honest, I've watched that show since it first came on all the way until the last season finale which at the time was entertaining for a kid like me who didn't know any better because you just love the show that makes you laugh which it because lod friendly.
But when you become an adult, your mind shifts and relies how bad that shw aw was compared to others and why you wouldn't rate it above other shows that were better even when the ratings being the best because at the time family matters came out at the right time with no competition until later years is when more black sitcoms came out and that's when you saw how far ahead those shows were compared to family matters.
Family matters when another direction making it all about urkel instead of making it about everyone else on the show which is why people would have a different option about the show compared to back then.
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Let's be honest who wore their pants high up to their chest with some clown shoes on going to school and big glasses. So, you're telling me somebody can relate to that shit being black? Seriously.
Yeah, Eddie is somewhat relatable..
But waldo the retard looking slow and dumb, like what person you know that acted like Waldo in real life?
He believed he was the draw. He believed he was gravity. It’s the system, stupid. Bill Reilly thought the same way. Tucker Carlson thought the same way. These guys don’t believe they’re a figment of the machine’s imagination. 50 cent thinks the same way.
Where did I say he was right?
Here's the thing family matters is too goofy and they were doing too much with the dress shit and acting which at times was bad.
Good times at least you could relate and understand things about that show which were relatable of how a lot of black homes were ran at the time..Whereas in family matters not much was relatable and the show took another turn that didn't make any sense after jaleel become lead actor on the show.
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I never said you did. I was just speaking on why I disagreed with jaleel.
But he's mad at other shows getting more attention than the show he was apart of. Lol
you must have REALLY liked it when it moved to CBS. It was pretty terrible especially when the original mom was replaced.
You dudes coming down on Jaleel need to cut him some slack. No matter what he does, he will always be known as Urkel. i bet he still has people coming up to him asking him to say "Did I do that?" That can weigh on a person psychologically. I think about all the stuff Dustin Diamond (screech from saved by the bell) had to go through and how his life was destroyed just from being screech. Like all these people are millionaires and we should not feel sorry for them, but being known for one thing for the rest of your life can mess with you mentally. He's the only one that has any credibility on speaking about a show where he was a main character and wanted to get credit from the cultural. To your original point, he's wrong because Family Matters was not THAT show. It spoke on issues that were important to us occasionally, but as someone previously stated it was a family show, but in the way Cosby was a family show.
Prime example: What black family gonna leave their door unlocked where this kid can just walk in when he feels like it...you in Chicago and the father is a cop.. Make it make sense
My thing with him is for all the respect he wants for the show etc. He doesnt care about it. They wanted to do the show again and he declined. And wanted to dona show about his life lol.
At least full house knows the deal
Cosby show, different world, Bernie mac show, off the top of my head.
Hate to say it, but the Urkel character was very minstrel like.
Hate to say it, but the Urkel character was very minstrel like.
....I remember distictly watching Family Matters its first season and noticing everything wrong with the show. For those that were old enough the remember, Disney had recently purchased ABC and I was well aware of Disney racial bias of not showcasing Blacks and other races in their media, espcially in primary roles. They are the masters of token roles and characters. During this time, the Cosby Show was dominating TV, and had no signs of faltering. Disney/ABC needed a competing show, and needed it fast! That first couples of episodes seemed like they had the basis for a white family show and they just added black actors last minute. There were no real indicators that this was a BLACK family, just an American family, which is not a problem, until it is....
For example, the theme song. Sung by a white guy. What black show do you know does not have a black singer singing or playing some groove to begin the show??? And the intro song was so generic, so cookie cut to match the rest of the other white friendly shows throughout the line for the evening.
The story lines were too generic, too bland and too stereotype of the times. Topics which were of the times yet, their delivery and conclusions seems too from the eyes and minds of the write writers and not of the black actors and the audience that they were trying to steal from the Cosby show.
Lastly....Urkel. As a kid of the 80's, I was well aware of the "nerd" stereotype. The kid that was smart, yet socially awkward, mis fitting clothes, high water pants with suspenders, pocket protector and calculator in pocket...white male. With the loud laugh and always knocking things over, etc. But he was white. And I'm emphizing that to make a point.
They introduced Urkel as a nerdy Black boy that wears high water german/swedish ladenhazen pants who plays the accordian and loves cheese? And his parents are working in some European country, Switzerland, I believe. That characater was originally written for a white kid/family and they just added so black actors to see if "anyone will notice". The nerdy stereotype of that magitude was never associated with Black boys and the Black community, and I picked up on it immediatly. And I was insulted.
Not to mention, the Black stereotypes of the "ghetto" whenever Eddy and his crew got into trouble, the audience always cheering for whenever someone danced or rapped, the terrible hair cuts, the safe non Black parenting, and Carl Winslow's tendency to allow his bosses to talk to him anyway.
Now am I saying there were any good moments of the show, not at all. The Tracey Spencer episode will go down as one of the greatest celebrity appearance shows of the 90s! However, Family Matters was not a show to present the Black family to Black people for whom were searching for relatable TV. It was for white people to be comfortable having Black people on their TV screen and their kids bedroom walls. And Jaleel White was the PERFECT actor to play the role...slight intended.
For example, the theme song. Sung by a white guy. What black show do you know does not have a black singer singing or playing some groove to begin the show??? And the intro song was so generic, so cookie cut to match the rest of the other white friendly shows throughout the line for the evening.
The story lines were too generic, too bland and too stereotype of the times. Topics which were of the times yet, their delivery and conclusions seems too from the eyes and minds of the write writers and not of the black actors and the audience that they were trying to steal from the Cosby show.
Lastly....Urkel. As a kid of the 80's, I was well aware of the "nerd" stereotype. The kid that was smart, yet socially awkward, mis fitting clothes, high water pants with suspenders, pocket protector and calculator in pocket...white male. With the loud laugh and always knocking things over, etc. But he was white. And I'm emphizing that to make a point.
They introduced Urkel as a nerdy Black boy that wears high water german/swedish ladenhazen pants who plays the accordian and loves cheese? And his parents are working in some European country, Switzerland, I believe. That characater was originally written for a white kid/family and they just added so black actors to see if "anyone will notice". The nerdy stereotype of that magitude was never associated with Black boys and the Black community, and I picked up on it immediatly. And I was insulted.
Not to mention, the Black stereotypes of the "ghetto" whenever Eddy and his crew got into trouble, the audience always cheering for whenever someone danced or rapped, the terrible hair cuts, the safe non Black parenting, and Carl Winslow's tendency to allow his bosses to talk to him anyway.
Now am I saying there were any good moments of the show, not at all. The Tracey Spencer episode will go down as one of the greatest celebrity appearance shows of the 90s! However, Family Matters was not a show to present the Black family to Black people for whom were searching for relatable TV. It was for white people to be comfortable having Black people on their TV screen and their kids bedroom walls. And Jaleel White was the PERFECT actor to play the role...slight intended.
They lost me when Urkel cockblocked the other dudes on his school from getting pussy,head whatever from the school ho he was tutoring. Man, shut the fuck up with that,"You're worth more than that " bullshit or whatever he said to her. Eddie was this close to getting some.
At the time i thought it was just corny but now i see it as some JJ evans Dynamite!!! minstrel regen.
As I've said, I was young and naive at the time, your mind doesn't fully develop to have a deeper understanding on things to see what you've missed and why the show just isn't what it was cracked out to be as you get older becoming an adult..
I'm sure there's a lot of shows back then that you thought we're good when you was younger until you got older becoming an adult to realize they weren't that good.
Yes, he's wrong because he mentioned other shows being better because they were HOOD is where he fucked up at because that isn't true at all. Those other shows that are better didn't have no hood shit.
Jaleel could've said things differently to get his point across without trying to bring other black shows down because people don't think family matters was on the same level as those other shows.
To show you what a perv I was at that age, my sexy Trini teacher in high school picked me up on Nostrand Ave and drove me to school. I had the gall to ask the Lord for her to molest me. She didn't. I never apologized to Him for asking that. Guess it's eternal damnation for me.