Jaleel White on feeling left out in the legacy of Black entertainment, saying, “If it’s not a hood story, it’s not a Black story,”

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Why do black people always have to put black people against each other. in this case black shows vs black shows

you cant compare family matters to martin. theyre meant for two different audiences.

back then we looked at it as black shows ran shit...martin thursday nights and family matters friday nights tgif

judging family matters today and its messaging today is fucking stupid. it was gold for its time period

btw family matters was not white washed....they dealt with tons of black issues at the time

as for hood shows, i wonder if he means by todays' standards. back then we had decent representation of black life now its all hood bullshit

Hanging with Mr. Cooper better than family matters? :lol: i dont really remember anything memorable about that show unless they had guest stars on there and Holly Robinson Peete.


I actually conflating black TV Shows with black Movies, like especially from that era black alot of us cherish the Boyz n The Hood, Menace 2 Society, Juice and New Jack City movies more than anything and as well as we should but there were also other non-hood movies a lot of us cherish and love too like Boomerang, Strictly Business, Devil in a Blue Dress, Higher Learning and Malcom X.

I think he's doing us a disservice as far as what we're into but i get what he's trying to say also alot of non-black people look at black people/culture as hood and that's it.

He has to understand that that Urkel character was over the top nerdy and most young black males couldn't relate because in our community we really take being cool serious and that's what we are for the most part as a culture and known for especially the last 50 years and our sub-culture has proved that with the whole world imitating Black Americans.

Awe man, now we're gonna pretend everyone didn't love family matters and it didn't do crazy numbers.... smh. If there's anything I hate it's bullshit Internet revisionist history.

I mean damn:lol:, i never knew this many dudes felt this way about Family Matters, i could understand if nigz was goin hard on Jaleel but they takin it out on a good show lol. I think it was one of the best Black Shows ever along with the other ones named we all love....good casting, Laura was somewhat nice to look at but Myra was The ONE:giggle:, good storylines, good acting for the most part so i don't understand the hate it's just not as important culturally as some of the others shows.
 

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I have gone through the thread because the topic is fascinating. I think Jaleel White is feeling slighted, but when you are in the era of The Cosby Show being a copy it is expected that maybe fans would take to contrast shows like Martin and Living Single that broke ground for middle class young black people.

He is doing a disservice to those shows groundbreaking element that Family Matters just couldn't have since Cosby basically saved family sitcoms after the era of Sanford and Son, Good Times, and Jeffersons. Even Married With Children was originally playing off Cosby Show when it was suppose to be called Not The Cosbys.



I know Cosby isn't as revered anymore due to his legal issues, but he was a comedic genius that stressed doing it without vulgarity or stereotypes. Sadly for White and FM cast, people not of the generation when comparing the two will see Ice cream compared to an icicle.



Even when the show went into the ridiculous they made sure to make it a dream episode.




Now this is where context is needed. TGIF was a blockbuster block, but Friday Night was also known as "Friday Night Death Slot" because it was believed youth were out that night. To Family Matters credit, they delivered and the network backed them. ABC turned it into a bonanza ratings spot, but not before the marketing of TGIF. CBS was the king of Friday Night with Dallas and Falcon Crest. It still goes back to wanting to copy the success of Cosby Show though.


The first issue is you can’t compare Family Matters to Living Single, it’s like comparing a Nickelodeon show to Friends. One show was family oriented while the other was for adults. The problem is we lump all things Black together. If you are to rank these shows in its appropriate categories, for Black family shows, Family Matters would rank behind Cosby.

I see the argument for this in terms of categories, but then Family Matters if we are just using families will still have to contend with Sanford and Son(single father yes, but still there are families like that), Fresh Prince, The Jeffersons, Good Times, My Wife and Kids, 227, House of Payne and I know this sitcom didn't even get mentioned yet. However, I see why people group all of it together as sitcom.
It just different twists and viewpoints because there were family elements such as Gina having her parents who weren't hood dispelling what Jaleel is saying.

Heavy d killing drug dealers, Clifton Powell as the perfect villain, live shows..people respected roc… whoa whoa whoaaa
Now if Roc cast says they get overlooked I doubt there would be any backlash because they do get overlooked.
Family matters was a good show when it was still centered on the Winslow family, it turned to shit when it became the Steve urkel show
I think it was a good show that perhaps went on too long to the point they didn't know what to write. The terrible stuff is much more in the latter episodes and seasons much more than other shows that ran that long on air. It has affected the show's legacy.

Not trying to tear it down, but it shouldn't be anywhere near the top 15, IN MY OPINION...granted, it's debatable, but i think that there needs to be a certain standard about what we call top black shows...like if you for example are putting homeboys from outer space over family matters...what are we doing here? :smh:
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This is where the whole debate heats up. It is going to have strong competition for top 10 ever. You got legitimate shows that people still watch til this day that even got one night reimagined live like this episode.




That’s the thing the show wasn’t based on a geek..he literally was supposed to be a 1 and done character for 1 episode and literally the fans loved his character so much they wanted him back..than he became the show… he literally was an extra that became the main character.. that’s basically never happened b4.. he became a multi millionaire off that.. now why is he mad.. take your money and be happy nig you exceed all expectations and than some
Now if we are comparing shows as is, you know which other classic shows had this same scenario that didn't override the whole show to its detriment?




These classic characters were not suppose to be recurring roles, but fans loved their performances so much they gave them regular roles.

He believed he was the draw. He believed he was gravity. It’s the system, stupid. Bill Reilly thought the same way. Tucker Carlson thought the same way. These guys don’t believe they’re a figment of the machine’s imagination. 50 cent thinks the same way.

Some say this guy's ego was out of control too for What's Happening.
you must have REALLY liked it when it moved to CBS. It was pretty terrible especially when the original mom was replaced.

You dudes coming down on Jaleel need to cut him some slack. No matter what he does, he will always be known as Urkel. i bet he still has people coming up to him asking him to say "Did I do that?" That can weigh on a person psychologically. I think about all the stuff Dustin Diamond (screech from saved by the bell) had to go through and how his life was destroyed just from being screech. Like all these people are millionaires and we should not feel sorry for them, but being known for one thing for the rest of your life can mess with you mentally. He's the only one that has any credibility on speaking about a show where he was a main character and wanted to get credit from the cultural. To your original point, he's wrong because Family Matters was not THAT show. It spoke on issues that were important to us occasionally, but as someone previously stated it was a family show, but in the way Cosby was a family show.
He wasn't the first child actor typecast though. Another topic all together, but does Different Strokes count as a black show?


He did have other various roles though.


One thing that people seem to also forget is that he was almost on the cosby show as Rudy, but bill switched it to a girl at the last minute. Would have been seeing two boys in the house as opposed to just Theo. I think looking back he wants Family Matters to have more cutural credibility, but it just doesn't and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that.










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Even though they were supposed to be family ensemble shows, Esther Rolle and Jo Marie Payton were the bridges between their previous shows and their new ones, they were considered the stars of the shows. The difference between the two shows was that when Jimmy Walker became the star of the show, Rolle and Amos remained at the center of the show along with Walker. When White became the star of Family Matters, Payton was moved to the peripheral of the show and the center of the show became Urkel and whoever interacted with him, which was the father or the kids.
Not really. They literally killed off James to further focus on JJ's character and de-emphasis the family structure. Then doubled down and moved Florida out and married her off.
 

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Many of us actually did in the 70s, towards the end of John Amos being on the show, see JJ as being exactly that.

The "jealousy" part is your opinion, but does not reflect reality. Jealous of what?

It was about John Amos wanting to maintain the integrity of the family unit and not have it devolve into some Amos and Andy minstrel show. He said as much and Esther Rolle corroborated this account, since she was in agreement with him , and later she left the show in protest.

Your comment on most of what comes out of youth's mouth being nonsense doesn't stand. If that was true then Thelma and Michael, who were both younger than JJ, would have constantly been saying dumbshit, but that was not the case.

The white writers made the JJ character into a buffoon.

Also the housing project was Cabrini-Green, not "Cabrini greens".
jimmie was rising hot comedian who had a talent angency that rep top writers who wrote for the top shows and the hottest comedian at the time, plus john admitted the way he handle that was wrong, thelma and michael had their moments with her tell her folks she wants to marry a dude old enough to be her daddy, not to mention making michael a miniture rap brown is over the top
 

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Not really. They literally killed off James to further focus on JJ's character and de-emphasis the family structure. Then doubled down and moved Florida out and married her off.
Rolle's and Amos's departures had nothing to do with their characters; it was due to the actors. Amos was fired because his constant bitching became more trouble than he was worth and Rolle quit because she felt Norman Lear wasn't taking her concerns seriously. They didn't get rid of them to give more spotlight to Walker. The entire time Rolle and Amos were on that show they were at the center of it.
 

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I actually conflating black TV Shows with black Movies, like especially from that era black alot of us cherish the Boyz n The Hood, Menace 2 Society, Juice and New Jack City movies more than anything and as well as we should but there were also other non-hood movies a lot of us cherish and love too like Boomerang, Strictly Business, Devil in a Blue Dress, Higher Learning and Malcom X.

I think he's doing us a disservice as far as what we're into but i get what he's trying to say also alot of non-black people look at black people/culture as hood and that's it.

He has to understand that that Urkel character was over the top nerdy and most young black males couldn't relate because in our community we really take being cool serious and that's what we are for the most part as a culture and known for especially the last 50 years and our sub-culture has proved that with the whole world imitating Black Americans.



I mean damn:lol:, i never knew this many dudes felt this way about Family Matters, i could understand if nigz was goin hard on Jaleel but they takin it out on a good show lol. I think it was one of the best Black Shows ever along with the other ones named we all love....good casting, Laura was somewhat nice to look at but Myra was The ONE:giggle:, good storylines, good acting for the most part so i don't understand the hate it's just not as important culturally as some of the others shows.
That's why T'Challa,the Black Panther is important in all iterations. Black genius,leader, ass kicker, women are attracted to him.
 

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I think everyone is making his point. Every single post I've seen mentions Living Single, Cosby Show, Different World, My Wife and Kids...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING FROM THE LAST FUCKING DECADE?! All those shows are old as hell. What are the popular black shows at this moment, that aren't drug focused or ratchet hood shit?
 

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I think everyone is making his point. Every single post I've seen mentions Living Single, Cosby Show, Different World, My Wife and Kids...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING FROM THE LAST FUCKING DECADE?! All those shows are old as hell. What are the popular black shows at this moment, that aren't drug focused or ratchet hood shit?
You'll never find it in today's generation with all the ratchet hood shit that's out there today.

Also, there aren't many black sitcoms like it was in the past.
 

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I mentioned House of Payne which is the longest running black sitcom that surpassed Jeffersons. Black-ish and Grownish and Mixedish was also mentioned in video I posted.

The issue of more things being mentioned in the last decade isn't what he is talking about anyways because of the lack of shows compared to the past decades. He is speaking on legacy sitcoms and not being on top of lists.
 

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I think everyone is making his point. Every single post I've seen mentions Living Single, Cosby Show, Different World, My Wife and Kids...HOW ABOUT SOMETHING FROM THE LAST FUCKING DECADE?! All those shows are old as hell. What are the popular black shows at this moment, that aren't drug focused or ratchet hood shit?
They mentioned it cause he mentioned those shows . This topic only happened cause of his rant and nothing else.. there has never been an on going convo about family matters wasn't good enough and people saying we not gonna put his show top 5 in history.. if jaleel says nothing this topic doesnt exist
 

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They mentioned it cause he mentioned those shows . This topic only happened cause of his rant and nothing else.. there has never been an on going convo about family matters wasn't good enough and people saying we not gonna put his show top 5 in history.. if jaleel says nothing this topic doesnt exist
Yeah we fell for the trap. I think he's trolling.
 

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Urkel was a fucking genius this nig making androids in his basement, this nig was on his way to be a billionaire..nah nigs can’t relate to that..in fact he had a badder bitch wanting to fuck on sight and he was running from the bitch for yrs.. lot of awkward nigs wish they couldve been Urkel
Props my man. In all seriousness, this was a great argument. My only counter is in spite of all that, Urkel still felt the need to resort to his alter-ego and felt the need to chase Laura's dumb ass.
 

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Martin was a hood show based on verbiage used in the show. Also a radio DJ in Detroit Michigan...in the early 90's before cell phones and Spotify...living in a one MAYBE two bedroom apartment with hallways that look more like New York projects than apartments.

The Cosby show was equally as white washed as Family Matters! House full of kids/grandkids and that house is ALWAYS spotless! Never had a maid or cleaning service. Mess was surprisingly only contained to kids bedrooms?!?! Kitchen didn't have dishes on the counters or full in the sink? Not buying it!
 

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Martin was a hood show based on verbiage used in the show. Also a radio DJ in Detroit Michigan...in the early 90's before cell phones and Spotify...living in a one MAYBE two bedroom apartment with hallways that look more like New York projects than apartments.

The Cosby show was equally as white washed as Family Matters! House full of kids/grandkids and that house is ALWAYS spotless! Never had a maid or cleaning service. Mess was surprisingly only contained to kids bedrooms?!?! Kitchen didn't have dishes on the counters or full in the sink? Not buying it!
Dang man, we making this bigger than it needs to be. Feel like I need to type a whole "colinpiece" on just this response alone. :smh:
 

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Which show is better is subjective, what's not subjective is Family Matters was by far the most popular of the shows you mentioned.
Family Matters was more popular than Fresh Prince at its peak? Thats suprising...I know it lasted longer but I thought Fresh Prince was more popular at its peak
 

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can Jaleel DEFINE what "hood" means to him?

How do YOU define "hood"?
This what he means by hood



1 of the most stereotypical racist cac ideology ever.. clearly had no idea how black people dress , talk, and negative thoughts about certain hairstyles and they had Jaleel white look like their perception.. even made the dumbest dialogue between Carl and Jaleel on how they think black people talk and found a way to trash his hair in the process… cacs were smiling ear to ear when they got them to execute this scene and zero push back
 

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Family Matters was more popular than Fresh Prince at its peak? Thats suprising...I know it lasted longer but I thought Fresh Prince was more popular at its peak
To be honest, I always thought the Fresh Prince was a product of revisionist history. Not saying it wasn't good or that it didn't have some popularity. However, I don't think it was as popular as everyone seems to be thinking it was.

I never got the impression it was considered must see tv.
 

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To be honest, I always thought the Fresh Prince was a product of revisionist history. Not saying it wasn't good or that it didn't have some popularity. However, I don't think it was as popular as everyone seems to be thinking it was.

I never got the impression it was considered must see tv.

Bro... have you seen Will ask an audience to sing that theme song?

In ANY country?

Till this day?

And in real time?

it was APPOINTMENT viewing.

and remember Bad Boys?

there is a TON of evidence that PROVES Fresh Prince and Will was HUGE.

So huge Jaleel thanks Will for saving his career

 

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This what he means by hood



1 of the most stereotypical racist cac ideology ever.. clearly had no idea how black people dress , talk, and negative thoughts about certain hairstyles and they had Jaleel white look like their perception.. even made the dumbest dialogue between Carl and Jaleel on how they think black people talk and found a way to trash his hair in the process… cacs were smiling ear to ear when they got them to execute this scene and zero push back


Man, that stereotype was running the 90s. Especially in movies.

:lol:
 

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Plus, with numerous streaming platforms, nobody has to watch the same thing anymore.

^^^Vulcan bars

that's why might NEVER have that era of communal television again (for better or worse)

besides the Super Bowl.

That is why Netflix is spending billions to get this NFL Live thing working ESPECIALLY with the upcoming Beyonce halftime show.

besides sports no can get a number like that anymore because we are all so fragmented.
 
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