Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode

playahaitian

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Men lie.

Women lie.

Numbers don’t, but they can be altered.

Drake will always do numbers because he’s in the upper echelon of artist. And his music reaches more than the black audience.

If you can’t see he’s on the tail end of his run, that’s on you.

And it was a helluva run. Probably the best ever in hiphop

Agreed.

nothing lasts forever

But I ain't gonna be the first one to count him out.

If I had told you in 2001 the light skin wheel chair kid from that Canadian kids soap opera would one day be the biggest pop artist in the world...

And go see how much traction this drake topic got on HERE? From a demographic that alleges they not only hate his music but never listen to it.

Attention is the new currency.
 

geechiedan

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I don't know the timeline, but Joe was in media before the JBP and from what's been said was asked to stop working at radio to focus on music. Even before going on Love &Hip-hop to promote his rap career, Joe was putting things out on YouTube. Joe was one of the first artists to embrace social media which would go on to be a big part of being a successful for future acts. He was still making music up until the point the JBP took off. Basically Joe has always been in media from the start of his professional career or not too far after. He didn't quite rapping to go into media. It seems like he's been passionate about media from the start of his rap career to me. That's a lot different than someone who quit one craft and fell into another. Joe always wanted to be in media.

Out of Drake and Nore's mouth, Joe had enough of a fan base to regularly do shows. He chose not to continue his work as an artist with Slaughter House. Truthfully, I don't know that I consider Joe a true failed rapper. Regardless of the size, Joe had a music fan base that would likely still support him today. Did he make the impact as Drake. No, but in any field you are going to have elites and workers. From what I understand, Joe is/was respected as a lyricist by his peers. The problem with today's society and honestly rap culture is success is measured by money. I'm not even a Joe Budden fan musically, but you have to consider the amount of talent it takes to even get to that level of success. There are alot of signed acts you've never heard of. There are true one hit wonders and I wouldn't consider Joe that either.

I never said Drake considered Joe a coach. What I've been saying is Drake could potentially learn from Joe even if Joe isn't on the same level as Drake. Clearly, Drake is open to some level of this based on his relationship with Yachaty. Not for nothing, it likely already happened indirectly. I can't recall if it directly came out of Drake's mouth or if people just made the comparison, but it's believed Drake was influenced by the Mood Music series from Joe. Drake seemed to be a fan of Joe's at somepoint. From what I can assume, they don't fuck with each other over a bitch or bitches.

Joe has mentioned he's been offered A&R or some other types of music industry role in recent years and turned them down. You are saying he quit his art, but you have no way of knowing if he's still writes or not. He may not be rapping professional but he's very much in the music space. Not doing something professional is not the same as not doing it at all. Furthermore, I'd argue that because he's still in the music business he never quit his art. Every career has different branches you can take. You may take on a different role but you are still in the field.

Instead of attacking media personalities, Drake should examine what is being said, separate the truth from the hate and make better products. Drake is the active professional rapper; not Joe. Nas has put out a few projects the general public didn't love. That didn't stop him from later putting out successful projects. Drake has the talent to do the same. If not, he's had a hell of a run.
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playahaitian

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Men lie.

Women lie.

Numbers don’t, but they can be altered.

Drake will always do numbers because he’s in the upper echelon of artist. And his music reaches more than the black audience.

If you can’t see he’s on the tail end of his run, that’s on you.

And it was a helluva run. Probably the best ever in hiphop

^^^^

They don't hear you.
 

playahaitian

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The train isn't completely off the tracks, it just needs to sit at the station awhile for repairs and maintenance.

"Will the game miss me when I'm gone?"

Comes to mind



Great record

And trust they GONNA miss him

The industry will very much that boy is a money generating machine.
 
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It's a difference if you were "selling" 700,000+ and now it's below 500,000. CLB sold over 600+...

Yes there is a difference and no matter what I say. You'll continue with a rebuttal no matter what relevance it has to do with my original post and point so we're good.
 

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Yes there is a difference and no matter what I say. You'll continue with a rebuttal no matter what relevance it has to do with my original post and point so we're good.

In other words you don't have a reply to me using your precious numbers and showing his popularity is declining
 

geechiedan

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I don't know.....maybe

Quality and good music :hmm:
what does that mean tho....cuz most people would say those were good songs thats fun and entertaining.. It seems alot of serious hiphop heads think good rap music must make you think and ponder and do this....

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the whole song. And if youre not doing that then its a shit song for dummy people.

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REDLINE

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In other words you don't have a reply to me using your precious numbers and showing his popularity is declining

He seems to be as popular as ever and look, more numbers!




And I have a replies, I just don't wanna keep replying to nonsense and moving goalposts.
 

GangGangOrca

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These last couple posts is why Joe's talk about what Drake needs to do and this coach/player shit is funny. Mans is doing just fine making the music he thinks is dope and will have no problem doing the numbers he's doing. Whoever is streaming/buying his album clearly thinks it's dope and that's what matters at the end of day.

Whether or not his run is slowing down is irrelevant because no one stays on top forever

Most of us is 40+. All of our heroes are 50 and up. We aren't the target demo anymore. We're most likely the minority of people who don't/won't like this album.
 

keone

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But bro...

Everything is fake then

Even BEFORE streaming labels were buying their own records not counting returns leaking bootlegging their own stuff lying about foreign distribution

I'm not even staying Streams is real or not

I'm saying we gotta be consistent

drake numbers fake then ALL numbers fake, right?
but 1 thing
didnt u go outside with bad weather to by ur fav album?
 

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No problem. Short version Joe's media career started in radio before taking advantage of YouTube, Love & Hip-hop and going on to host Everyday Struggle and State of the Culture. He's been in media since his early days. All of which was during his active run as a rapper. He isn't Ray Kroc who had multiple failed endeavors before finding success with McDonald's. If Joe would have started his media career in 2020, you would have a point, but that is not the case.
 

playahaitian

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I don't know the timeline, but Joe was in media before the JBP and from what's been said was asked to stop working at radio to focus on music. Even before going on Love &Hip-hop to promote his rap career, Joe was putting things out on YouTube. Joe was one of the first artists to embrace social media which would go on to be a big part of being a successful for future acts. He was still making music up until the point the JBP took off. Basically Joe has always been in media from the start of his professional career or not too far after. He didn't quite rapping to go into media. It seems like he's been passionate about media from the start of his rap career to me. That's a lot different than someone who quit one craft and fell into another. Joe always wanted to be in media.

Out of Drake and Nore's mouth, Joe had enough of a fan base to regularly do shows. He chose not to continue his work as an artist with Slaughter House. Truthfully, I don't know that I consider Joe a true failed rapper. Regardless of the size, Joe had a music fan base that would likely still support him today. Did he make the impact as Drake. No, but in any field you are going to have elites and workers. From what I understand, Joe is/was respected as a lyricist by his peers. The problem with today's society and honestly rap culture is success is measured by money. I'm not even a Joe Budden fan musically, but you have to consider the amount of talent it takes to even get to that level of success. There are alot of signed acts you've never heard of. There are true one hit wonders and I wouldn't consider Joe that either.

I never said Drake considered Joe a coach. What I've been saying is Drake could potentially learn from Joe even if Joe isn't on the same level as Drake. Clearly, Drake is open to some level of this based on his relationship with Yachaty. Not for nothing, it likely already happened indirectly. I can't recall if it directly came out of Drake's mouth or if people just made the comparison, but it's believed Drake was influenced by the Mood Music series from Joe. Drake seemed to be a fan of Joe's at somepoint. From what I can assume, they don't fuck with each other over a bitch or bitches.

Joe has mentioned he's been offered A&R or some other types of music industry role in recent years and turned them down. You are saying he quit his art, but you have no way of knowing if he's still writes or not. He may not be rapping professional but he's very much in the music space. Not doing something professional is not the same as not doing it at all. Furthermore, I'd argue that because he's still in the music business he never quit his art. Every career has different branches you can take. You may take on a different role but you are still in the field.

Instead of attacking media personalities, Drake should examine what is being said, separate the truth from the hate and make better products. Drake is the active professional rapper; not Joe. Nas has put out a few projects the general public didn't love. That didn't stop him from later putting out successful projects. Drake has the talent to do the same. If not, he's had a hell of a run.

No one gonna read this

But you make some solid thoughtful points
 

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But bro...

Everything is fake then

Even BEFORE streaming labels were buying their own records not counting returns leaking bootlegging their own stuff lying about foreign distribution

I'm not even saying Streams is real or not

I'm saying we gotta be consistent

drake numbers fake then ALL numbers fake, right?
wrong
we've had this conversation before in a buying vs streaming thread

comparing shipping gold / plat vs stream farms and playlisting is a very poor argument
of the many reasons the simplest reason - today you can chart ten and next week no one is playing that "hit" anymore
 

ViCiouS

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when has rap music been about popularity?

Hammer, Tone Loc and Vanilla Ice were popular.
that culture has been dead
I simply stated that Drake's popular so streaming farms aside, Drake's popular and therefore is successful with or without your streaming farm statement/implication.
it takes way more than popularity to get Drake numbers
 

playahaitian

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but 1 thing
didnt u go outside with bad weather to by ur fav album?

I also played my albums on a Yellow Sony auto reverse Walkman

I read all the liner notes on Do you want more a dozen times

I made mistakes from all the cassette singles I would buy from the .99 section.

I also used Napster and lime wire

It's 2023 bro.

You can't do that.

I don't know WHAT the proper metric is to judge music anymore

Do want to use tour money?

Ok who topping Drake in rap?
 

playahaitian

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wrong
we've had this conversation before in a buying vs streaming thread

comparing shipping gold / plat vs stream farms and playlisting is a very poor argument
of the many reasons the simplest reason - today you can chart ten and next week no one is playing that "hit" anymore

And the reason I brought that up is the same.

So how do you want to MEASURE sales and popularity in 2023?

Cause if you are going to have to add an addendum to each artist?.

WTF are we doing?
 

playahaitian

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listen to what you like- if you have time seek it out

You already know that's my mantra for ALL art.

That's why this Drake thing is interesting

His impact is indisputable

Why?

Well one reason is the response on this message board specifically and all the others.

He matters. That means something.

You can use any metric you want but that's a fact.
 

playahaitian

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Has anyone in here actually listened to Drake’s new album? I haven’t listened yet.

If so what do you think?

It's fine. It's drake.

Or more accurately it's RECENT Drake.

If your a diehard it's good a casual it's disposable with some good tracks on there. If you hated him before or were on the fence oooo boy you not gonna be happy.

But it isn't horrible

But I never expected to drop a classic I don't think he ever has. This kinda exposed a lot of kinks in the armor

The timestamp as usual was good, the sza record was good, Cole blacked out, f*ck what Yachty is doing on here, the beats are all decent.

Aubrey need to take a break AGAIN lock in with some mix OG & up and coming producers like he used to and drop like 4 fire singles no more yachts no more 21s.

I don't even mind UK grime drake but he need to focus have fun and try to be the BEST MC and entertainer again.
 
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