Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode
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Yo WHO IS THIS PERSON!!!
You statement was centered around the idea that Joe was a failed rapper who couldn't make it and had he been more successful, he likely would not have gone into the pod space. It doesn't matter if the artist I mentioned talked about Drake because your point seemed to be successful artist wouldn't pivot to other areas. Your thoughts weren't even Drake's point from what I interpreted his statement to be. High level i took Drake's response as im not taking advice from a quitter. It's rarely been the case that rappers don't attempt to pivot and most do so at the hight of their career. Jcole is considered this generations top three rappers, is at the top of his game and is/was trying to play basketball.
Coaching doesn't just apply to sports. The term is used alot in corporate or even manufacturing environments as a skill theyd like leaders to have.i came from a company that literally called their supervisors coachs. The coach acts as a mentor, provides constructive criticism and feedback about performance. The goal is to get the employee to the next level or next potential role in the organization. From what is being said, Drake used Yachaty to help create the sound for the album or bounce ideas off. I'll assume executive producers, producers and A&Rs play a similar role in the music industry to what most would consider a traditional coach.Saying not everyone listens to coaching is kind of a mute point given the role people believe Yachaty played with Drake and apparently for other artists as well. Joe's point about Yachaty giving Jcole the blueprint for the secret recipe also made sense. Yachaty lyrically isn't in the same league as Cole, but he likely did the hard work ie finding the pocket and Cole took the direction/coaching to write his verse. Joe being a failed artist doesn't mean he can't make Drake a better artist or help him improve songs.
For every person who doesn't listen to their coach, there are many more who do regardless of their level of success or ability. In the same lane, there are plenty of parents who didn't make it professionally or were not stars who used their limited experience/success to properly coach their kids into being superstars.
I also agree that artist lean on fans who will buy whatever. That was one of the key complaints about Drake's album. No real effort likely due to knowing people will listen to his shit regardless. It doesn't matter who you are eventually putting out mediocre products will devalue you to the masses and likely reduce you core base alot. Hence, Joe's follow up post about father time.
but theres a difference between pivoting because the wells running dry in one field and doing something youve always wanted to do because now you have leverage and time. A successful musician trying a sport is more like dream fulfillment than trying to figure what else they do since the music isn't hitting anymore.
I'm pretty sure drake doesnt view buddens as any kind of coach. And if joe was serious...whats stopping him from getting back in the studio?? True creatives don't retire or quit on their art. They may get tired of touring...or the bullshit of dealing with labels and studios but they never quit their art.
What drake should have said was.....take your own advice and get back in the studio...show me how its done.
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well said.
this is not going to do anything tho
unless they are black ballin him none of could help his career
maybe a dre cause of who he is but that album would come out 10 years later
Timbaland alluded to some shit with Drake around the time "Say Something" came out, IIRC they were supposed to be doing more music together.....hell that was like 15 yrs ago now so who knows wtf happened there......
I think the insinuation is that Drake or someone from his camp has burned those bridges and that these were producers who could've enhanced / elevated his career even more. Swizz and Wayne have monster songs together. Pharrell and Timbaland fucking gave that culture vulture Timberlake 2 platinum albums full of hits....
Just think Drake has all this success without 1 hands down classic album......
All the Greats have at least 1..... he doesn't.
But what if he did?
Drake has talked about working with Dre in the past, I doubt that's a chapter he wants to revisit
Drake Revisits Writing For Dr. Dre: ‘That Took Patience’
Drake has recently reminisced on what it was like to be a songwriter for NWA legend Dr. Dre back in 2005, and he said that 'that took patience.'
hiphopdx.com
"Back in 2016, John Seabrook released a book called The Song Machine: Inside the Hit Factory, and Drake actually sat down with the author to tell him the story for the book. Drizzy places the time frame as being when he was around 19, which would have been circa-2005.
“It was some of the most strenuous militant shit I’ve ever done,” the 6 God told Seabrook. “But no useable songs came out of it. When I think of how he worked us, it’s no wonder he didn’t get anything out of it. It was just writers in a room churning out product all day long.”
The critique that Drake is being lazy / uninspired may not fully be on him..... I gotta blame "40" and whoever else is his main goto.....
This dude has 2 different artists claiming to not be credited on his album....like not asked at all, just used and somehow they hear themselves on here.....
That's fucked up, especially after how meticulous he was getting ole girl to register her song so she can be credited on "Spin Bout U."
And shit I forgot about the lawsuits stemming from ppl not being credited on Her Loss and CLB..... it's wild
This dude has 2 different artists claiming to not be credited on his album....like not asked at all, just used and somehow they hear themselves on here.....
That's fucked up, especially after how meticulous he was getting ole girl to register her song so she can be credited on "Spin Bout U."
And shit I forgot about the lawsuits stemming from ppl not being credited on Her Loss and CLB..... it's wild
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i was more talking about today. none of them can help his career. they themselves are not on like that.Timbaland alluded to some shit with Drake around the time "Say Something" came out, IIRC they were supposed to be doing more music together.....hell that was like 15 yrs ago now so who knows wtf happened there......
I think the insinuation is that Drake or someone from his camp has burned those bridges and that these were producers who could've enhanced / elevated his career even more. Swizz and Wayne have monster songs together. Pharrell and Timbaland fucking gave that culture vulture Timberlake 2 platinum albums full of hits....
Just think Drake has all this success without 1 hands down classic album......
All the Greats have at least 1..... he doesn't.
But what if he did?
Drake has talked about working with Dre in the past, I doubt that's a chapter he wants to revisit
Drake Revisits Writing For Dr. Dre: ‘That Took Patience’
Drake has recently reminisced on what it was like to be a songwriter for NWA legend Dr. Dre back in 2005, and he said that 'that took patience.'
"Back in 2016, John Seabrook released a book called The Song Machine: Inside the Hit Factory, and Drake actually sat down with the author to tell him the story for the book. Drizzy places the time frame as being when he was around 19, which would have been circa-2005.
“It was some of the most strenuous militant shit I’ve ever done,” the 6 God told Seabrook. “But no useable songs came out of it. When I think of how he worked us, it’s no wonder he didn’t get anything out of it. It was just writers in a room churning out product all day long.”
the younger producers got it now.
but yeah if you talking years back then yes you are right.
but then again he still got where he is is now without them
also he has beef with all of them haah well maybe not timb
but timb cool with swizz
i think when drake saw that the industry wasnt really messin with him
he dipped and started focusing more on his crew.
i think he just drops too much music
i mean kendrick gets the same praise maybe even more when drops
and he drops an album every 15 years
That's the thing tho, Drake will fw the new producers here and there. Mike Will a song or two here, Boi-1da here, maybe Hit-Boy there....
But nothing consistent. His main go to is 40 and like with J Cole rapping over only his beats..... you gotta get out there and flex on others beats.
My side point about the OG producers is, they've locked in with one artist for a project.... one cohesive theme from start to finish....and "found gold" (Platinum success)
Drake keeps piece-mealing these albums together and in a hurry and this is what we get.....
Scorpion was supposed to be the fabled 2 disc rap on one side r&b on the other side project..... nope.
You would think with titles like; Certified Lover Boy it would be r&b hits with some rap here and there, nope. For All the Dogs would be mostly rap bangers.....nope....
There's a gotta be a doc about what's really going on here the past 10-15 years and that mfkr would be good
i see what you are saying.
so he should only work with bo1da and 40 then instead of getting something from everybody?
and you are basically saying there is no concept with his albums?
but to be fair besides kendrick and cole do these rappers do tht?
i mean they cant even stick to a topic in a rap verse
I don't know the timeline, but Joe was in media before the JBP and from what's been said was asked to stop working at radio to focus on music. Even before going on Love &Hip-hop to promote his rap career, Joe was putting things out on YouTube. Joe was one of the first artists to embrace social media which would go on to be a big part of being a successful for future acts. He was still making music up until the point the JBP took off. Basically Joe has always been in media from the start of his professional career or not too far after. He didn't quite rapping to go into media. It seems like he's been passionate about media from the start of his rap career to me. That's a lot different than someone who quit one craft and fell into another. Joe always wanted to be in media.
Out of Drake and Nore's mouth, Joe had enough of a fan base to regularly do shows. He chose not to continue his work as an artist with Slaughter House. Truthfully, I don't know that I consider Joe a true failed rapper. Regardless of the size, Joe had a music fan base that would likely still support him today. Did he make the impact as Drake. No, but in any field you are going to have elites and workers. From what I understand, Joe is/was respected as a lyricist by his peers. The problem with today's society and honestly rap culture is success is measured by money. I'm not even a Joe Budden fan musically, but you have to consider the amount of talent it takes to even get to that level of success. There are alot of signed acts you've never heard of. There are true one hit wonders and I wouldn't consider Joe that either.
I never said Drake considered Joe a coach. What I've been saying is Drake could potentially learn from Joe even if Joe isn't on the same level as Drake. Clearly, Drake is open to some level of this based on his relationship with Yachaty. Not for nothing, it likely already happened indirectly. I can't recall if it directly came out of Drake's mouth or if people just made the comparison, but it's believed Drake was influenced by the Mood Music series from Joe. Drake seemed to be a fan of Joe's at somepoint. From what I can assume, they don't fuck with each other over a bitch or bitches.
Joe has mentioned he's been offered A&R or some other types of music industry role in recent years and turned them down. You are saying he quit his art, but you have no way of knowing if he's still writes or not. He may not be rapping professional but he's very much in the music space. Not doing something professional is not the same as not doing it at all. Furthermore, I'd argue that because he's still in the music business he never quit his art. Every career has different branches you can take. You may take on a different role but you are still in the field.
Instead of attacking media personalities, Drake should examine what is being said, separate the truth from the hate and make better products. Drake is the active professional rapper; not Joe. Nas has put out a few projects the general public didn't love. That didn't stop him from later putting out successful projects. Drake has the talent to do the same. If not, he's had a hell of a run.
The Drake run seems to be coming to an end.
The train isn't completely off the tracks, it just needs to sit at the station awhile for repairs and maintenance.
"Will the game miss me when I'm gone?"
Comes to mind
I think Drake has too many audiences to appease
He has his pop fans, chicks and then his wave hopping fans
Streaming farms
and streaming isn't comparable. He's not in the same conversation as Mike.
50 and Em sold a million their first week when you actually had to go to Best Buy and Tower
He's popular and people listen to his music, streaming farms aside.
I can't say that he's uninspired.
I think that he thinks he thinks of a theme for an album and makes the album catering to more/theme.
Yes and no.
But bro...
Everything is fake then
Even BEFORE streaming labels were buying their own records not counting returns leaking bootlegging their own stuff lying about foreign distribution
I'm not even saying Streams is real or not
I'm saying we gotta be consistent
drake numbers fake then ALL numbers fake, right?
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I understand your point.
Drake always sounds best with 40 because till this day that pocket he created on those tracks is unrivaled
Word to Parks
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Men lie.
Women lie.
Numbers don’t, but they can be altered.
Drake will always do numbers because he’s in the upper echelon of artist. And his music reaches more than the black audience.
If you can’t see he’s on the tail end of his run, that’s on you.
And it was a helluva run. Probably the best ever in hiphop
Women lie.
Numbers don’t, but they can be altered.
Drake will always do numbers because he’s in the upper echelon of artist. And his music reaches more than the black audience.
If you can’t see he’s on the tail end of his run, that’s on you.
And it was a helluva run. Probably the best ever in hiphop
when has rap music been about popularity?
Hammer, Tone Loc and Vanilla Ice were popular.
I'm
My post quoted a post stating that Drake's run was coming to an end. I posted information detailing his current popularity showing that his run isn't slowing down.
You mentioned streaming farms, Drake not being comparable to Michael Jackson and people in the pas buying millions of physical albums.
I simply stated that Drake's popular so streaming farms aside, Drake's popular and therefore is successful with or without your streaming farm statement/implication.
Popularity matters a lot in rap music, but you know this.
And at no point did I insinuate or state that being popular made him the best. It was in reference to your streaming farm statement.
My post quoted a post stating that Drake's run was coming to an end. I posted information detailing his current popularity showing that his run isn't slowing down.
You mentioned streaming farms, Drake not being comparable to Michael Jackson and people in the pas buying millions of physical albums.
I simply stated that Drake's popular so streaming farms aside, Drake's popular and therefore is successful with or without your streaming farm statement/implication.
Popularity matters a lot in rap music, but you know this.
And at no point did I insinuate or state that being popular made him the best. It was in reference to your streaming farm statement.
It's a difference if you were "selling" 700,000+ and now it's below 500,000. CLB sold over 600+...