Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode
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what roland talking about? we all saw the interview
they were trying to discredit him
the one brother on the right was the only one being fair
twitter accountants -- ignore that youtube -no matter the retention rate, replay etc- only really payout on high performing content once
im not mad at joe the fact that he still hasnt released means it makes money
a lot of people have heard it already tho
but they know the numbers
Flip said there was +30k new Patreon subscribers on the 2 days after Joe's Drake reply ep
they said Umar brought more new subs than that after xmas but haven't heard the numbers yet
with those numbers as a base, even at the lowest subscription tier of $5 thats over a $300k revenue bump in Nov and Dec 2023 -
a few months ago Joe said he will personally never again earn less than $50k /month - at the time I thought he was exaggerating a bit
Can you help me understand why everyone is mad at this Ian guy?
He said the Shannon should have had the Katt interview behind a pay wall or attached with a subscription.
Why is that bad?
I do think it wouldn't have taken over the internet like it did behind any pay wall.
But I also think it WOULD have still made money as it leaked.
Is there a clear cut BETTER WAY Shannon could have done this?
I wouldn't call any of those examples self controlled, really. I have never used any of the platforms so I am sure there are differences, but YouTube supports a subscription model similar to OF/Patreon in addition to just ad supported.
As far as I know you do get analytics and demographics from YouTube as well, so I am not sure what he is talking about there either. Unless the difference in those platforms is that you get the actual user which can then be sold to a data broker, and on YouTube you don't. I get that data is getting sold by the platforms already, but as a consumer if that is the case it's pretty shitty.
I understand the potential appeal of those platforms financially since I think the creator will get a higher percentage, maybe, but unless there is a website that you can sign up for directly, that isn't completely reliant on the existence of a third party it's not self controlled.
Is ian getting at something else and I am missing the point, or was he really talking about money and tried to change it up when called out?
yes
today - knowing your customer and having the ability to contact them directly is priceless
more value than selling to data brokers
yes
no - see above
ueah cool but he still needs to build his channel
its smart a katt pays ones
1.5 isnt great considering the best
but if he plays his cards right Shannon will be number 1 period
these guys are arguing for "free" ad supported content by casting a wider net
but Ian is arguing that there is also profitability and creator benefit to a smaller paying user base
Ryan Leslie direct sales vs music industry and streaming
what Ian argument is over looking is ShayShay is not an independent content creator
^^^^^^
A greatly appreciate the clarification
Please explain how Shay is NOT independent content creator?
Is it because Fox still is contracted to him? I could be wrong?