Joe Budden podcast done? No Rory or Mal for 2nd straight episode

doggface

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yes
today - knowing your customer and having the ability to contact them directly is priceless
more value than selling to data brokers

yes

no - see above

Thanks! I think my issue is calling this platforms self controlled. The accounts are still OF or Patreon accounts, and they are still making more money from those accounts than the creators.

I can’t come up with any cases where having a direct contact provides value for a media content company. I get up-sales, cross sales, promotion, announcements, etc., but all that can be done without direct contact.

If you have the audience I can clearly see the value in a subscription model.
 

DC_Dude

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ueah cool but he still needs to build his channel
its smart a katt pays ones
1.5 isnt great considering the best
but if he plays his cards right Shannon will be number 1 period


I 100% understand where Ian is coming from and why I always have to put Joe in that top tier status of mastering the business side of the Pod game. No one was using Patreon and now every single Podcaster is using that as a means to generate money and provide content directly to their fan base.

It's smart. The subscription model is the way alot of business are going....Not sure why people where mad at him and to your point @keone it could definitely work for Unc in the future once he gets his fan based up...

Joe has a fan base of people following his pod for damn near a decade almost....Selling or providing content directly to your consumers is the future....
 

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ueah cool but he still needs to build his channel
its smart a katt pays ones
1.5 isnt great considering the best
but if he plays his cards right Shannon will be number 1 period

No he won't be. You're caught up in the moment.

He's guest centered, so his popularity is based on the guest.
 

keone

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No he won't be. You're caught up in the moment.

He's guest centered, so his popularity is based on the guest.
His nitecap show isnt guest based but it does numbers and will soon hit a million too.
But cool lets see what will happen.

Also people have seen what his show can do show so yeah might not get 30 mill views like Katt does But it will do numbers just like the bfc in their days.
 

DC_Dude

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His nitecap show isnt guest based but it does numbers and will soon hit a million too.
But cool lets see what will happen.

Also people have seen what his show can do show so yeah might not get 30 mill views like Katt does But it will do numbers just like the bfc in their days.

Nitecap my shit too because they mainly focus on Sports....

Chad and Gil are good compliments....Folks be dropping made money as gifts to them too...I was watching the other night and some lady dropped like $500 on their show
 

keone

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I 100% understand where Ian is coming from and why I always have to put Joe in that top tier status of mastering the business side of the Pod game. No one was using Patreon and now every single Podcaster is using that as a means to generate money and provide content directly to their fan base.

It's smart. The subscription model is the way alot of business are going....Not sure why people where mad at him and to your point @keone it could definitely work for Unc in the future once he gets his fan based up...

Joe has a fan base of people following his pod for damn near a decade almost....Selling or providing content directly to your consumers is the future....
This is all I'm saying. Joe had has this viral moments including having a steady fan base who follows him. But he didnt hit a million until one of those humans interviews. Even he was surprised.

All I'm saying what u summed up nicely is this will help Shannon. His podcast is not even that long. And depending on analytics he can go behind pay wall.
But like people said his paycheck comes from different corners
 

DC_Dude

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This is all I'm saying. Joe had has this viral moments including having a steady fan base who follows him. But he didnt hit a million until one of those humans interviews. Even he was surprised.

All I'm saying what u summed up nicely is this will help Shannon. His podcast is not even that long. And depending on analytics he can go behind pay wall.
But like people said his paycheck comes from different corners

Yup and I honestly would subscribe to Night Cap since it's live....I think it get's consistently around 400K views, but it's mad people on when it airs.....
 

keone

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Yup and I honestly would subscribe to Night Cap since it's live....I think it get's consistently around 400K views, but it's mad people on when it airs.....
400k is a crazy they were just at 100k subs few months ago.
Now they at 700k
Shannon doing big business
 

D24OHA

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Flip said there was +30k new Patreon subscribers on the 2 days after Joe's Drake reply ep
they said Umar brought more new subs than that after xmas but haven't heard the numbers yet

with those numbers as a base, even at the lowest subscription tier of $5 thats over a $300k revenue bump in Nov and Dec 2023 -

a few months ago Joe said he will personally never again earn less than $50k /month - at the time I thought he was exaggerating a bit

Patreon exclusive episodes is the $25/month tier not $5 not $10.....$25

30K X $25 = $750K........

If Umar did over 30K subs


Joe gives no fucks about utube and ig numbers

And that shit ain't changing anytime soon
 

D24OHA

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drake is available on the $5 tier - yeah Umar is $25

true

The Drake episode was supposed to be a regular episode (i think 665), but he put it behind the paywall

Patreon exclusive episodes/ interviews are $25

My point is not to counter you or say you're wrong.

Im just trying to add more perspective on the numbers.

Either Umar added 12k subs which equals the $300k of the Drake episode or they added close to 30K subs for big money
 

keone

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Patreon exclusive episodes is the $25/month tier not $5 not $10.....$25

30K X $25 = $750K........

If Umar did over 30K subs


Joe gives no fucks about utube and ig numbers

And that shit ain't changing anytime soon

drake is available on the $5 tier - yeah Umar is $25

true

The Drake episode was supposed to be a regular episode (i think 665), but he put it behind the paywall

Patreon exclusive episodes/ interviews are $25

My point is not to counter you or say you're wrong.

Im just trying to add more perspective on the numbers.

Either Umar added 12k subs which equals the $300k of the Drake episode or they added close to 30K subs for big money
yeah i see what u are saying
dr umar was more valuable so he charged more

my question is this
he supposedly signed a deal with patreon
this is when he started wearing all these designers clothing ahha
they gave him a bag

my question is does patreon give him upfront money?
and recoup on behind the paywall?
or does joe stil get a percentage of the paywall?
cause there was a deal made
 

D24OHA

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yeah i see what u are saying
dr umar was more valuable so he charged more

my question is this
he supposedly signed a deal with patreon
this is when he started wearing all these designers clothing ahha
they gave him a bag

my question is does patreon give him upfront money?
and recoup on behind the paywall?
or does joe stil get a percentage of the paywall?
cause there was a deal made
Good question,

Patreon charges its creator anywhere from 5% (for legacy partners) to 12% (for new partners) of their membership amounts. Joe was not a legacy partner, (Mandii B was telling Joe to get on Patreon for at least 2 years and he even said hell no on at least one pod mocking pods that did use them at the time), but he did get in before the newer 12% rate.....

So maybe it's a combination of both. Say hypothetically they gave him $1 mil upfront and let him capture that 5% rate as well

Even if it was as much as $5 mil upfront and he still pays a 5% rate they win

Because as soon as Joe signed there were a lot of other creators that signed up at 12%
 
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keone

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Good question,

Patreon charges its creator anywhere from 5% (for legacy partners) to 12% (for new partners) of their membership amounts. Joe was not a legacy partner, (mandir B was telling Joe to get on Patreon for at least 2 years and he even said hell no on at least one pod mocking pods that did use them), but he did get in before the newer 12% rate.....

So maybe it's a combination of both. Say hypothetically they gave him $1 mil upfront and let him capture that 5% rate as well

Even if it was as much as $5 mil upfront and he still pays a 5% rate they win

Because as soon as Joe signed there were a lot of other creators that signed up at 12%
good info
because i remember him saying that he had meeting with the owner
and that they are really cool
so i think he got a different deal than most
like u said it was early too
i forgot who but i think rory or either mal
that said a bag was dropped but they didnt see shit ahahaha
 

D24OHA

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I think Joe regrets putting umar behind paywall.


I'll get to the vid later, but I saw the X exchanges Ian was having. I think I understand the semantics he was using and overall points, but he did not convey that well with the SM masses....

I think Joe saw what that Katt interview did and now wishes he had at least put a long clip on the U to capture some raw view numbers to be able to compare to the rise in sub #s.
 

keone

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I'll get to the vid later, but I saw the X exchanges Ian was having. I think I understand the semantics he was using and overall points, but he did not convey that well with the SM masses....

I think Joe saw what that Katt interview did and now wishes he had at least put a long clip on the U to capture some raw view numbers to be able to compare to the rise in sub #s.
You are exactly right lol. This is why asked what the specifics of his deal was with patreon. He should have done a part 1 and a part 2 behind paywall. He does it with his own team also. Then he charged 25 instead of 5.

That umar interview was easy 5 mill to 10 mill views. Kevin Samuel did 7 mil.
Even his new Nicki interview hasnt cracked a millie yet. I think he put that behind paywall too.
 

keone

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Good question,

Patreon charges its creator anywhere from 5% (for legacy partners) to 12% (for new partners) of their membership amounts. Joe was not a legacy partner, (Mandii B was telling Joe to get on Patreon for at least 2 years and he even said hell no on at least one pod mocking pods that did use them at the time), but he did get in before the newer 12% rate.....

So maybe it's a combination of both. Say hypothetically they gave him $1 mil upfront and let him capture that 5% rate as well

Even if it was as much as $5 mil upfront and he still pays a 5% rate they win

Because as soon as Joe signed there were a lot of other creators that signed up at 12%

good info
because i remember him saying that he had meeting with the owner
and that they are really cool
so i think he got a different deal than most
like u said it was early too
i forgot who but i think rory or either mal
that said a bag was dropped but they didnt see shit ahahaha
 

keone

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ViCiouS

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why is he still living in a basement?

:lol:
 
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