isn't it weird that so many folks are coming after Joe Rogan all of a sudden?
Joe Rogan once again exposes that he’s a racist white nationalist.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
So u know what I mean when Black people describe Africans as Africans
for instance
this black women told me she’s marrying a African
she didn’t say a black man but put a emphasis on him being African (different culture, and energy and religion)
Was she wrong In saying that?
but thats YOU simplifying it... and you can do that but what youre not doing is changing the socio-political value attached to those designations. Everywhere in Africa and the Americas...African peoples are treated shitty and the rallying term for that treatment is black. So we can try to redefine what black and blackness means but unless and until we literally reshape how society functions in real ways... its just a change in a detail with nothing to really back it up.
your statement below backs up what I'm talking about.,,,
I'm not disputing what youre saying but the core of it is the term white has real socio-political value and leverage in america and western culture that can be accessed by people of european descent at any time.
So we're still basically operating under the definitions and value system those terms were originally used for some 300 - 400 years ago. From the 17th century to the 21st century it hasn't changed much if at all...except in the last 50 years we've been trying to redefine what black and blackness means.
And therein lies the 3rd greatest crime against humanity that cacs committed in the New World besides genocide, the stripping of identity of a group of people, something thats almost unique in human history as far as I can tell. As fucked over as native groups were in their lands (native americans, aborigines, ainu (japan) central and south american peoples, filipinos (south east asians) etc) they still had some connection to their original identities, culture, language, religion even if they had to mask it in cac shit. In fact its been noted that the slave rebellions in the Caribbean were successful because those a enslaved people had a stronger connection to their identity more so than the mainland american slaves. Even as they used European religion and culture as a cover (santeria for example).
Africans Americans lost our heritage, language religion etc its why you see us searching for ANYTHING to connect to and feel positive about ourselves whether thats asiatic, moorish, egypt or redefining a skin color designation whose original purpose was for oppression and subjugation. Something else I said before...
When all your taught in a racist system is that you come from nothing and produce nothing...you start looking for yourself in everything. Hence Hebrew Israelites and Moors and Egypt and pretty much anything that exhibits thick lips and dark color.
To NOT acknowledge that to ourselves and to the world again lets cacs off the hook for an incredible crime. And they in the 21st century can say stupid shit like "Unless you are talking to someone who is like 100% African from the darkest place where they are not wearing any clothes all day ... the term Black is weird."
ok , u pretty much proved my position & hence my point , just becos some dont have the understanding doesnt mean the rest of us have to go along with the misunderstanding, like i said, every man has the right to self identify as they please but the issue is when that man then tries to run from reality and ask others to join him in it
and like u said
"I'm not disputing what youre saying but the core of it is the term white has real socio-political value and leverage in america and western culture that can be accessed by people of european descent at any time."
cool but were no longer in the 16th century,even if the minds that created that reality still exist we have the power to outlive and reject their madness..
u also said
""Everywhere in Africa and the Americas...African peoples are treated shitty and the rallying term for that treatment is black. So we can try to redefine what black and blackness means but unless and until we literally reshape how society functions in real ways."
like u said the why belabor that point , why not use that energy to get to work on dismantling that instead of creating bs identities to fight each other over while the devil watches?
black is negro , negro is dark .the latin definition..simple
theres an african proverb that says "its not what u call me but what i respond to "
white people dont define me..
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black people in africa call themselves black too and ure not gonna take that ability to self define from them.. the fellow she is marrying most likely 99.9% classifies himself also as a blackman, so i dont know what the probem is , are u gonna tell him he is not a blackman becos u decided in the year 2022 that only AfricanAmericansDescendantsofEnslavedAfricans should be called black ? and the folks in the islands? ,south america ? brazil,?etc etc all should drop the self identification of afro/black/ to make u happier ?
You need to be put up on some bay shit??? We got you Broski. Jus say the wordI leave for LA on friday. Here in SF you have to have proof of vaccination to get in anywhere.
Lukas on broadway and grand ? I am involved in that project lol.
If I run into you imma smack the bad music taste out ur head .
i dont believe theres confusion except the one u might create for urself
they both have a history and either can self identify as they choose and Black is often used to classify people of african descent just as white is used for people of european descent, no one is forcing the gentleman on the left Taye Diggs to only identify as his color.. (this is a juvenile argument)thats an argument no one has made
he's wrong but not for the reasons people think
“A Negro and by Consequence an Alien” - The legacy of Legal Race Making.
Legal race making became a distinctive feature of Atlantic slave societies, reducing Africans and their descendants to “negroes,” “negros,” “nègres,” or “noirs,” subjects without history, honor, or genealogy. Blackness obliterated and flattened a multitude of cultures, languages, histories, and experiences into a single legally defined, socially constituted category of degradation.7 Across linguistic and imperial barriers, the law constituted “blacks” as social outcasts, conflating their social existence with enslavement. Legal prohibitions that applied to “all black men and women, free or enslaved,” or defined certain actions by “any black or mulatto” against “whites” as a crime, made blackness, rather than enslavement, the mark of degradation.
I posted this and people here really don't want to have this conversation.
Who here is running from this conversation (other than the anti-ADOS
)?
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Yes nigga Black Americans are hijacking the word BLACK.
you Are def the flashy african nigga that be outside.
we hear u speak (no black)
We hear u order food (non black food)
And finally we see how u spend or conserve finances(spend like crazy)
There is absolutely “african night” at the club I go to.
why u think we call it “African Night” ?
And I didn’t hear 1 person in black panther call themselves black.
Yawl need to go back to Africa ASAP
I live in SF so I am good there, need a few spots in Oak where I can entertain my clients and such.
EXACTLY
u have a right to create and believe in ur own narrative but u don't that the right to insist that others participate in it !
so go head knock urself out
forgot to ask u this as well
so are u suggesting if we stop being labelled as BLACK or if according to some folks only DescendantsAfricanAmericaEnslaved can be labelled with the term BLACk that will stop this SHITTY TREATMENT ?
YALL ARE AFRICANS
WE ARE BLACK MEN
WE ARE BLACK MEN
tell Jamaicans ,Haitians, Brazilians, Continental Africans & Carribeans they aint BLACK
u have a right to create and believe in ur own narrative but u don't have that right to insist that others participate in it !
so go head knock urself out
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Those are our brothers
tell Jamaicans ,Haitians, Brazilians, Continental Africans & Carribeans they aint BLACK
u have a right to create and believe in ur own narrative but u don't have that right to insist that others participate in it !
so go head knock urself out
theres no conversation to be had in the way u think it should go , the idea of blackness didnt originate in the united sates and it isnt relegated or special or solitary to the unite states, contrary to what u might think , other groups of africans descendants also had themselves absolved into BLACK , which simply means dark/black ( as compared to light/white) of african descenthe's wrong but not for the reasons people think
“A Negro and by Consequence an Alien” - The legacy of Legal Race Making.
Legal race making became a distinctive feature of Atlantic slave societies, reducing Africans and their descendants to “negroes,” “negros,” “nègres,” or “noirs,” subjects without history, honor, or genealogy. Blackness obliterated and flattened a multitude of cultures, languages, histories, and experiences into a single legally defined, socially constituted category of degradation.7 Across linguistic and imperial barriers, the law constituted “blacks” as social outcasts, conflating their social existence with enslavement. Legal prohibitions that applied to “all black men and women, free or enslaved,” or defined certain actions by “any black or mulatto” against “whites” as a crime, made blackness, rather than enslavement, the mark of degradation.
I posted this and people here really don't want to have this conversation.
In a January 25 conversation, Rogan asked former psychology professor Jordan Peterson, “What did Michael Eric Dyson call you? A mean, angry white man?”
“Yeah, a mean, angry white man,” answered Peterson about Vanderbilt professor Dyson, whom he has debated.
“Hilarious,” Rogan shot back, “you’re not mean at all.”
“I am white,” responded Peterson. “Actually, that’s a lie, too. I’m kind of tan. And he was actually not Black, he was sort of tan.”
That prompted Rogan to deliver his thoughts on the subject.
“The Black and white thing is so strange because the shades are so…There’s such a spectrum of shades of people,” he said. “Unless you’re talking to someone who is, like, 100 percent African, from the darkest place, where they are not wearing any clothes all day and they’ve developed all that melanin to protect themselves from the sun, you know, even the term ‘Black’ is weird. When you use it for people who are literally my color, it becomes very strange.”
“Yeah, a mean, angry white man,” answered Peterson about Vanderbilt professor Dyson, whom he has debated.
“Hilarious,” Rogan shot back, “you’re not mean at all.”
“I am white,” responded Peterson. “Actually, that’s a lie, too. I’m kind of tan. And he was actually not Black, he was sort of tan.”
That prompted Rogan to deliver his thoughts on the subject.
“The Black and white thing is so strange because the shades are so…There’s such a spectrum of shades of people,” he said. “Unless you’re talking to someone who is, like, 100 percent African, from the darkest place, where they are not wearing any clothes all day and they’ve developed all that melanin to protect themselves from the sun, you know, even the term ‘Black’ is weird. When you use it for people who are literally my color, it becomes very strange.”
Great, just what the world needed two white dudes talking about what is black! Can't wait to see what conclusion THEY came to!
All this started because peterson and rogan said shit an 8 year old would say but these are intelligent grown men who understand history, the world and how shit works. So they were, in saying that shit, at best naïve and at worst being facetious. The things that have happened to the enslaved Africans in America and their descendants are horrible things and while we all know the highlights of bondage and oppression, I don't think we as a people and a nation have truly examined the degree of the trauma European hegemony and white supremist ideology and the Atlantic slave trade have inflicted on this particular group of people.
I totally understand your want to flip terms from negative to positive. But we make these pushes for social justice and reparations, as we saw a couple of years ago, but its not adequately examined WHY these things exist and persist. People can say "white supremacy" but what does that actually mean, where did it start and how does it apply TODAY?? Its THOSE details that are overlooked or glossed over. You say its not the 1600s anymore and I'm looking around and saying how different is it really if the disparities and inequities still exist to the degree they do today?
Just six years ago they discovered something happening to black americans today that dates back to slave times....
The creation of race as a concept combined with the Atlantic slave trade really kinda created a whole new group of people. The specific origin of race as a concept is pinpointable to time and region and country. Unfortunately what makes "race" real today is ADOS...Black Americans.. what I mean is the skin color designation we were given solidified the concept the second the generation after those enslaved Africans forgot, were never told and/or rejected any knowledge of who they were and where they came from.
I've said this before...Because most of us from the last 200 years (particularly the last 100) don't know the particulars of our African heritage beyond the most general knowledge of "you came from this continent" (hence the generalized term AFRICAN-American rather than say Nigerian-American or Ghanaian-American and you can break it down even further from there) therefore we're STUCK with a skin color designation of black...and we've been building a culture and heritage from that.
And therein lies the most traumatizing part of the crime committed against us. Simply put, we don't know who we are as a people. The demand for reparations is a legal endeavor and when your dealing with seeking legal recompense for the American descendants of slavery you have to build a case and what should be a part of that case besides all the fuckery we've had to deal with from slavery thru Jim Crow thru The War On Drugs etc is the loss of identity. That is a profound thing that no other group coming to this country has ever had to deal with.
I've said this before...The enslaved Africans were stripped of their identities and called black by their slave owners. In this case Black is a skin color designation that has nothing in terms of culture, language history etc..you know the things that make a people a people. And that was done on purpose. It's a basic component of how to control a person or people. Any institution that's designed to control people en masse whether it's the military, prison, or slavery the FIRST thing they have to do is strip a persons/peoples identity and individualism away from them and replace it with what YOU want them to identify as. It makes them easier to control. It's the main reason why African Americans aren't broken down into pockets of individual African cultures....hell the term African American itself is a generalized term that speaks directly to that. That's why immigrant Africans AREN'T designated African Americans because they come from a specific place in the continent like Nigeria or Ghana and therefore would be called Nigerian American, etc. And you can clearly break it down even further from that to tribes and clans....all of which are cultural things they retain intact. African Americans..BLACK Americans CANNOT do that and its entirely due to the effects of the chattel slavery institution enacted by European imperialists and colonizers.
That being the case.. I don't understand why sub-Saharan Africans accept being called black in their own countries and lands.
peep this vid:
Godfrey is not Black. Neither is Trevor Noah..he's half Swiss-German and half south African specifically Xhosa...The Xhosa are a South African cultural group who emphasize traditional practices and customs inherited from their forefathers. Each person within the Xhosa culture has their place which is recognized by the entire community. Starting from birth, a Xhosa person goes through graduation stages which recognize their growth and assign them a recognized place in the community. Each stage is marked by a specific ritual aimed at introducing the individual to their counterparts and also to their ancestors.
And Trevor wants to boil all that down to the term black???
Why Africans claim that is mystifying to me considering they KNOW who they are and are in their own land. Using the term black Africans is as dumb as saying yellow Japanese.
(I was about to post this then I ran across this...)
Don't get me wrong I know that the aborigines have been fucked over a hard as anyone else dealing with european hegemony white supremacy but they're still on their own land and retain knowledge of who they originally are. SO I'm not mad at her at all. I'm just confused as to why she'd rather identify as black.
IMO...Africans (or anyone else) accepting the term dilutes the issue of what the victims of the Atlantic slave trade had to deal with. And while flipping the term as a positive is admirable it also downplays the extent of the severity of the trauma and crimes committed against the descendants of those enslaved peoples.
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But we're dealing with the term BLACK, u cant say just becos u feel african americans (descendants of americas enslaved africans ) experienced the trauma in america that others descendants (afro brazilians, jamaicans , cubans etc black folks in the carribean) also experienced means they didnt also endured the same trauma of slavery & stripping of ancestral culture & identity and reduced to NEGRO as well (fyi the practices were all interlinked the cause of WHITE supremacy & whiteness the same with differences in treatmment from spanish/english/portuguese/french,
the geographical location & slaver's culture notwithstanding added to forming a new identity ,
saying those descendants who experienced the same horrors of slavery in America should form an identity specific to America for the sole rightful purpose of "redress & reparation" is quite different from saying , only those descendants can be labeled as BLACK ,
(BLACK = the umbrella term of ppl of African descent) ,
even tho for over a 100years ppls of african descent worldwide have used that term to self identify but becos u suddenly feel a need to claim the term BLACK for a justice claim therefore suddenly everyone else whose used the term for over 100 years should stop using the term,
that comes off kinda like an adopted imperialistic ego, to think everyone else should stop identifying themselves as they've done WORLDWIDE for over 100years as BLACK becos of african american (descendants of americas enslaved africans ) rightful reparations claims against the US government
are u saying all folks who identify as BLACK WORLDWIDE, (BLACK = the umbrella term of ppl of African descent) jamaicans, afrobrazilians, haitians all the carribean folks who are also descendants of enslaved africans have to also change their self identification and history books to sooth ur demands ?
i really think u are conflating issues. neither Trevor or Godfrey will tell u they are descendants of americas enslaved africans and neither is also saying they arent BLACK (BLACK = the umbrella term of ppl of African descent) and u cant take that away from them becos of how u feel, are u gonna tell jamicans or haitians or afrobrazilains they aint black?
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I know this Fillmore but this shit was the Frisco anthem when I first got out this way
Malone markets himself as the "inventor" of mRNA and DNA vaccines on his website and LinkedIn profile. His Twitter account, before it was suspended, said the same thing.
There’s some merit to that claim, as several reporters and fact-checkers have documented.
Malone contributed to important early research. A pair of papers he coauthored with two other researchers in 1989 and six other researchers in 1990 showed that mRNA could be delivered into cells using lipids, and that doing so with mice could trigger the production of new proteins. The two papers were the first reference in a 2019 history of the mRNA vaccine technology.
But development of today’s COVID-19 vaccines was built on the work of many scientists and would not have been possible without other discoveries that cleared major hurdles. An early 2000s breakthrough from the University of Pennsylvania’s Drew Weissman and Katalin Karikó, for example, uncovered a way to keep the immune system from attacking injected mRNA.
"That problem had to be solved," Offit said. "You can take the first step in the technology, but that doesn't mean that you invented the technology. All those other steps had to occur."
Malone admitted to Logically in July that he did not invent the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines of today, and instead claimed credit for creating the "vaccine technology platform." But in an Atlantic profile published a month later, Malone lamented the plaudits awarded to Karikó, who is also a senior vice president at BioNTech, saying he was "written out of the history."
Slowly, Malone has written himself back in — but as someone who has made inaccurate claims that cast doubt about the very vaccines he insists would not exist without him.
"On the one hand, he argues, ‘I’m the inventor of this technology.’ On the other hand, he's telling you that the technology is doing an enormous amount of harm," Offit said.
There’s some merit to that claim, as several reporters and fact-checkers have documented.
Malone contributed to important early research. A pair of papers he coauthored with two other researchers in 1989 and six other researchers in 1990 showed that mRNA could be delivered into cells using lipids, and that doing so with mice could trigger the production of new proteins. The two papers were the first reference in a 2019 history of the mRNA vaccine technology.
But development of today’s COVID-19 vaccines was built on the work of many scientists and would not have been possible without other discoveries that cleared major hurdles. An early 2000s breakthrough from the University of Pennsylvania’s Drew Weissman and Katalin Karikó, for example, uncovered a way to keep the immune system from attacking injected mRNA.
"That problem had to be solved," Offit said. "You can take the first step in the technology, but that doesn't mean that you invented the technology. All those other steps had to occur."
Malone admitted to Logically in July that he did not invent the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines of today, and instead claimed credit for creating the "vaccine technology platform." But in an Atlantic profile published a month later, Malone lamented the plaudits awarded to Karikó, who is also a senior vice president at BioNTech, saying he was "written out of the history."
Slowly, Malone has written himself back in — but as someone who has made inaccurate claims that cast doubt about the very vaccines he insists would not exist without him.
"On the one hand, he argues, ‘I’m the inventor of this technology.’ On the other hand, he's telling you that the technology is doing an enormous amount of harm," Offit said.