Like the way he "played" the white woman at museum. "You all been watching me from the minute I walked in here". He KNEW what it was to be black in America.
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Like the way he "played" the white woman at museum. "You all been watching me from the minute I walked in here". He KNEW what it was to be black in America.
Such a thought provoking film. Great dialogue all around. I love it!
Nah man, power is when you can black ball motherfuckers careers, power is being able to change the narrative on social and political ideas.. That's power. The Wayans have done well for themselves though. I love that family! Black excellence as far as I'm concerned.
I first want to apologize for what you went through. I'm an African American, and what you went through was wrong.
I want to remind you though, that these were children. I had a friend once who made fun of an African immigrant. I would laugh so I can consider myself just as bad at the time. We all remember the jokes, "African booty scratcher, HBO=Haitian body odor, etc. But we were kids and didn't know any better. In my adult life nobody could make such a joke around me. The point that you couldn't relate to Killmonger was what the film was trying to illustrate. T'Challa couldn't relate to Killmonger either, hence the conflict. And how can you relate? Your not supposed to. Your ancestors didn't have it as bad as mine did. But the point was there's a bigger picture than just your culture vs. mine, or your experience vs. mine, we have great people on all ends and there's no reason why our communities shouldn't help each other.
I don't think a villain HAS to be that. Those are your run of the mill, mustachio twirling Saturday morning villains. A real villain should have depth and rhyme to his reason. I'm telling you this from the viewpoint of a person whose favorite part of any story is the Antagonist. If an antagonist is done properly, you should be able to see it from their side. Let me give you some awesome examples:
Palapatine from Star Wars. Is he a villain?? All he did was take control of and bring order to an already corrupted system, that would have seen corrupt bankers and politicians doing the very same shit that they do in real life. Jedi were never going to do shit about it as it was not their way.
Arthas from Warcraft. Is he the villain? He just wanted the strength enough to protect his people and did so. We can argue that if it wasn't for his actions, the real villains would have had an easier time fucing shit up and who knows if the heroes would be alive to stop him in the future.
Magneto/Cyclops from X-Men. Is he a villain? We all know he was right today, if you were black you been knew they was right though. All he does is defend his race from bigots albeit with lethal force, but why are they fucking with his peeps in the first place?
Syndrome from the Incredibles. Was he a villain? All he was doing was living out his childhood dream of being a super hero and trying to help others achieve said dream. Did he have to crack a few eggs to get there? Yes. But how is that any different from real life?
Nah man, power is when you can black ball motherfuckers careers, power is being able to change the narrative on social and political ideas.. That's power. The Wayans have done well for themselves though. I love that family! Black excellence as far as I'm concerned.
I first want to apologize for what you went through. I'm an African American, and what you went through was wrong.
I want to remind you though, that these were children. I had a friend once who made fun of an African immigrant. I would laugh so I can consider myself just as bad at the time. We all remember the jokes, "African booty scratcher, HBO=Haitian body odor, etc. But we were kids and didn't know any better. In my adult life nobody could make such a joke around me. The point that you couldn't relate to Killmonger was what the film was trying to illustrate. T'Challa couldn't relate to Killmonger either, hence the conflict. And how can you relate? Your not supposed to. Your ancestors didn't have it as bad as mine did. But the point was there's a bigger picture than just your culture vs. mine, or your experience vs. mine, we have great people on all ends and there's no reason why our communities shouldn't help each other.
I don't think a villain HAS to be that. Those are your run of the mill, mustachio twirling Saturday morning villains. A real villain should have depth and rhyme to his reason. I'm telling you this from the viewpoint of a person whose favorite part of any story is the Antagonist. If an antagonist is done properly, you should be able to see it from their side. Let me give you some awesome examples:
Palapatine from Star Wars. Is he a villain?? All he did was take control of and bring order to an already corrupted system, that would have seen corrupt bankers and politicians doing the very same shit that they do in real life. Jedi were never going to do shit about it as it was not their way.
Arthas from Warcraft. Is he the villain? He just wanted the strength enough to protect his people and did so. We can argue that if it wasn't for his actions, the real villains would have had an easier time fucing shit up and who knows if the heroes would be alive to stop him in the future.
Magneto/Cyclops from X-Men. Is he a villain? We all know he was right today, if you were black you been knew they was right though. All he does is defend his race from bigots albeit with lethal force, but why are they fucking with his peeps in the first place?
Syndrome from the Incredibles. Was he a villain? All he was doing was living out his childhood dream of being a super hero and trying to help others achieve said dream. Did he have to crack a few eggs to get there? Yes. But how is that any different from real life?
because he felt disrespected, among other things, when she said "next king". He just became King, why are they preparing for the next. Yes its tradition, but they are under a new regime, and he doesn't care about next. In his mind, he is the one and only king until he dies.
she disobeyed him and questioned his authority. He is the king, and his orders should be carried out without repeating them. If this old lady can get away with questioning him, then others will try. Had to make an example of her.
We don't know their history. For all we know, she was gonna die sooner or later. She was a pawn to get what he wanted.
Right, so not sure why this would be anything other than what what is was. He already killed Zuri, so why would he hesitate to kill a guard who is attacking him. He was also bout to kill Shuri.
Nuther aspect of Kilmonger that's interesting as regards to his understanding and knowledge of Wakandan rites and history...
Remember when T'challa first entered the throne room as rightful king for the first time.
Than he went to visit shuri in her lab and she clowned his shoes with what are those?!?
T'challa said he wanted to go old school in honor of the past kings... Killmonger had on the same old school shoes/sandals when he entered the throne room for the first time as king!
Remember when T'challa first entered the throne room as rightful king for the first time.
Than he went to visit shuri in her lab and she clowned his shoes with what are those?!?
T'challa said he wanted to go old school in honor of the past kings... Killmonger had on the same old school shoes/sandals when he entered the throne room for the first time as king!
A token white guy. A person who they saved and ended up getting his hand held to help and do a small part
Had no power was irrelevant and unable to command or demand anything
For the 1st time in a movie ever the white guy was not the savior in Africa he was lucky to be alive and clearly the most vulnerable mentally and physically wherever he was this includes and especially around the women
Had no power was irrelevant and unable to command or demand anything
For the 1st time in a movie ever the white guy was not the savior in Africa he was lucky to be alive and clearly the most vulnerable mentally and physically wherever he was this includes and especially around the women
I experienced this as well growing up. My family is Malagasy, so I was raised with a different culture and mindset than those here in America. Granted, I'm a product of both but during my formative years, I was ridiculed and berated for being different and always told "go back to Africa."
As a youth, it was very DIFFICULT to navigate those waters and it sent me into depression for a while. But being sent into that whirlwind allowed me to understand and recognize that Black americans are simply a hurt people.
We have to remember that there's no other group from the diaspora that were put through such hell the way Black Americans were, so I try and exercise the utmost patience when it comes to speaking on any issues. I can definitely relate though. I tend to get on with foreigners with much greater ease.
Hurt people hurt people, and none is more prevalent than the struggles of Black Americans, so I don't mind the efforts to reconnect. On the contrary, I encourage it every chance I get.
your s/n tho lmao
Thanks for answering my question correctly
It was the exact extreme action from what the wakanda country had been doing. that's the point.
we know the resolution is in the middle.
they were in the do nothing
he was in the do everything
now they're doing something.
Peace but you are trying to justify some things that can't be justified to make Kilmonger redeemable. He is a villain.
No. I'm explaining why he did those actions I quoted. Yeah he's a villain, but he had a reason for doing everything he did
I understand what y'all saying but if a man kills innocent people, no matter what the motivation is. He is a villain.
He cannot be right. If he does it repeatedly, then he is evil.
Magneto is a villain. Let's be real about that.
Killmonger has a point but he is a villain.
Loki is a villain. (Remember he had a point too. He was lied to all his life).
He cannot be right. If he does it repeatedly, then he is evil.
Magneto is a villain. Let's be real about that.
Killmonger has a point but he is a villain.
Loki is a villain. (Remember he had a point too. He was lied to all his life).
there are always seeds somewhere...
Namor would be perfect as they can establish Atlantis and his eventual turn as a hero would set up his solo film. Does Marvel own Namor though? I thought he was one of the last remaining characters they didn't own the rights to.
true...
Universal still has it - maybe a something like what they have with Hulk can happen
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Did u see the movie?
He got some heroic screen time considering he took a bullet for Malia (Lupita Nyong'o) and shot down the planes loaded with vibranium attempting to leave Wakanda to make arms deals. Not an "insignificant role" regarding the plot.
I'm confused on why there is such an issue with Killmonger being a villain.
It was clear and expertly presented and executed.
A TRUE villain isn't cut and dry
and like @largebillsonlyplease said so well
a truly great villain can have a movie from HIS point of view and be the hero.
Ya'll can't love Breaking Bad and feel any conflict about Killmonger.
He is SUPPOSED to make you feel like that
but he was CLEARLY a villian
KILLING Black women by shooting them in the head and slashing their throats and ordering the death of innocent children aint HERO stuff.
Coogler made DAMN sure he IS a villain
but he isn't SIMPLY THAT
and that doesn't make him devoid of ANY morality and valid points.
And we can learn A WHOLE LOT from Killmonger
I do NOT want things made simple
and also EASY for these white folk to get
but at the same time this IS a marvel Disney superhero movie
we gots to chill...
and if anyone feels Coogler did a bad job on his portrayl of Killmonger
well after THIS movie?
NO ONE has any excuses any more
make your OWN.
If its GOOD and SMART and CREATIVE?
We WILL support you.
It was clear and expertly presented and executed.
A TRUE villain isn't cut and dry
and like @largebillsonlyplease said so well
a truly great villain can have a movie from HIS point of view and be the hero.
Ya'll can't love Breaking Bad and feel any conflict about Killmonger.
He is SUPPOSED to make you feel like that
but he was CLEARLY a villian
KILLING Black women by shooting them in the head and slashing their throats and ordering the death of innocent children aint HERO stuff.
Coogler made DAMN sure he IS a villain
but he isn't SIMPLY THAT
and that doesn't make him devoid of ANY morality and valid points.
And we can learn A WHOLE LOT from Killmonger
I do NOT want things made simple
and also EASY for these white folk to get
but at the same time this IS a marvel Disney superhero movie
we gots to chill...
and if anyone feels Coogler did a bad job on his portrayl of Killmonger
well after THIS movie?
NO ONE has any excuses any more
make your OWN.
If its GOOD and SMART and CREATIVE?
We WILL support you.
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oh...I'm confused as to who you were saying she betrayed. I didn't really see her betraying the throne either way. She was loyal to the throne regardless of who sat on it, as she said. When she thought T'Challa was dead, she served Killmonger. When she saw T'Challa alive and realized the challenge wasn't over, she was with him because he was still the rightful king until the challenge ended. The scene where T'Challa appeared alive, she didn't switch up til she saw him.
fair point...
my daughter just told me that.
Im getting schooled by a damn child
Wakanda Forever
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You know what is so damn good about this debate?
It aint no REAL debate.
All the responses are well thought out smart and bring a new perspective to the table.
If the movie was NOT as good as it is?
we would NOT be able to talk like this
hopefully for years to come
Now HONESTLY...
when was the LAST movie (you had REAL genuine intelligent debate that had actually had an effect on your LIFE and your WORLD?
Cause I SURE as hell aint talk about Star Wars like this.
Or LaLa Land.
Or Wonder woman
or Justice League.
But I DID for Zootopia and Coco and Get Out.
It aint no REAL debate.
All the responses are well thought out smart and bring a new perspective to the table.
If the movie was NOT as good as it is?
we would NOT be able to talk like this
hopefully for years to come
Now HONESTLY...
when was the LAST movie (you had REAL genuine intelligent debate that had actually had an effect on your LIFE and your WORLD?
Cause I SURE as hell aint talk about Star Wars like this.
Or LaLa Land.
Or Wonder woman
or Justice League.
But I DID for Zootopia and Coco and Get Out.