LeBron James: "Michael Jordan gets too much credit for the Bulls titles"

[LSN]

Bait

MJ tryna keep up wit Bron and stay relevant. Donating millions to police and NAACP. Half heartedly speaking out for the first time at age 53.

BGOL Jordan groupies will tell you Bron will never pass MJ but cant tell you who will stop him the next 7 seasons. They damn sure will be pulling for whoever tries. They gon be hoping and praying someone will step up and save MJs fading legacy. #lebronmustlose

priceless

 

[KingTaharqa]

"6 rings? That's all? Young man I had that many by my 8th season."

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

I gotta be honest: I don't see what any of you cats get from these MJ v. Lebron exchanges. Cats keep making the same points over and over and over again.

And this latest thread is just

So now it's a crime to actually need teammates to wing a ring? Now that's an indictment of a great player?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Ive already explained it.

MJ's teammates and contemporaries dont write media headlines do they?

These people didnt and couldnt affect the relation MJ had with basketball fans around the world. We all loved MJ.

And when you say MJ was criticized by them, the fact is that alot of the top guys didnt like each other. No one liked Thomas, Thomas hated Bird and MJ, everyone hated Malone... That was the way things were. It wasnt any extra pressure, whether you were liked or not people wanted to take you out regardless, and if you put in work, everyone respected you at the end of the day.

We are talking about LeBron versus Michael. The reason you want a discount that criteria is because it's the only criteria that you can discount that Michael would blow your argument away in terms of being this light. Notice the players that dislike each other, what are from Michael's error, so LeBron take some major all that way. The only reason it appears, and I say appears that LeBron is more dislike is because of our ability to read more people's comments based on the social media presence that is prevalent today that wasn't back then. What actually supports my contention that Jordan was the most hated, is again after 20 years of the league and at 53 years old there is still and attempt to discredit his career his legacy and he still the measuring stick that everybody is measured against. It seems like lately even LeBron is having a difficult time keeping Jordan's name out of his mouth. Not only is Jordan the most hated, he had whole teams creating a legal route to stop him, he had players in the league who despised him, his own players despised him, and quite a few Sports writers did not like him. That's why you even have that gambling book which is still talked about in some circles today that was brought out and written specifically to assassinate Jordan's character. No comparison to what he went through as opposed to what LeBron goes through. None at all Jordan went through a hell of a lot more and still is.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Peace,

I gotta be honest: I don't see what any of you cats get from these MJ v. Lebron exchanges. Cats keep making the same points over and over and over again.

And this latest thread is just

So now it's a crime to actually need teammates to wing a ring? Now that's an indictment of a great player?

That wasnt Brons point. He's pointing out the Jordan fans who act like he won them chips by himself to make his accomplishments seem small. His point was great teams win not individuals no matter what Jordan brand says. Until LeBron came in the league people acknowledged the Bulls as one of the greatest teams in the 90s. Now they were a one man show carrying bums and role players.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

That wasnt Brons point. He's pointing out the Jordan fans who act like he won them chips by himself to make his accomplishments seem small. His point was great teams win not individuals no matter what Jordan brand says. Until LeBron came in the league people acknowledged the Bulls as one of the greatest teams in the 90s. Now they were a one man show carrying bums and role players.

Not talking specifically about Lebron, and I agree with his point. There isn't a single historically or presently great player who hasn't had help from teammates AND some good fortune to go with it.

 

[Rudey]

Peace,



Not talking specifically about Lebron, and I agree with his point. There isn't a single historically or presently great player who hasn't had help from teammates AND some good fortune to go with it.

Whether or not a player had help in his championship runs, How is this still a talking point in team sport?

Isn't it call team sport for a reason?

 

[godofwine]

...and he gets too much credit for winning multiple titles with multiple All-Stars, and former no. 1 options.

Damn, that shit stings so hard I can hear the sizzle. LeBron might be able to talk shit if he had one with the first Cavalier group in 2007. He was the only one on that team. Nobody counts Boobie Gibson, Sasha pavlovic, Larry Hughes, IRA newble.

Had LeBron won with those bums that he could have talked shit. But the titles he won had Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh or Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love. Yes, Jordan did not win the titles all by himself, but he didn't chase good teams/teammates either. You think LeBron would've come back to Cleveland if Kyrie Irving wasn't there and the potential to get Kevin Love wasn't there?

 

[Gods_Debris]

Niggas really comparing a dude that played in Chicago to a dude that plays in Cleveland for Christ's sake?

Really just think about that shit

 

[tallblacknyc]

"6 rings? That's all? Young man I had that many by my 8th season."

lebron: hey man i mite catch up to u in final appearances 1 day

russel: i have like a 9o percent winning percentage in the finals ur ass below 45 percent and u call urself great bwahaaaaaaaaa

 

[sherminator]

Dude some the shit you say is wild, then you ignore all logical answers, you speak as if jordan fell ass backwards into being well recognized, and his greatness, there was nothing mediocre about jordan, brons great in his own right, but he's not jordan nor will he ever be, its two different era's, jordan faced a tough east to even get to the chips, and had to beat a stacked portland, knicks, pistons, jazz all on the way to his different chips, but this is what you do, you pick a guy and defend him to the point that all logic goes out the window, or you move the goal post to make or dismiss points. One example was the can debate hes roy, got stats etc, I was like so was luck and he still has a lot to show us, and up until last year had more playoff victories than cam,to which you gave some half ass answer, another in the tim duncan thread you said he is ok, a laughable statement, but then said mail man was that dude but in this very same thread you dismiss the jazz as weak, but the mailman was that dude right he got the jazz to the chip round twice... Btw mailman got his ass beat down by duncan when he knocked the admiral out I think he dropped 30 or something on his head.

 

[RoadRage]

Damn, that shit stings so hard I can hear the sizzle. LeBron might be able to talk shit if he had one with the first Cavalier group in 2007. He was the only one on that team. Nobody counts Boobie Gibson, Sasha pavlovic, Larry Hughes, IRA newble.

Had LeBron won with those bums that he could have talked shit. But the titles he won had Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh or Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love. Yes, Jordan did not win the titles all by himself, but he didn't chase good teams/teammates either. You think LeBron would've come back to Cleveland if Kyrie Irving wasn't there and the potential to get Kevin Love wasn't there?

You call them good teams but how did these teams play with out LeBron? The Heat lost almost all of their games that James was out, and the reason why he cramped up vs the Spurs was due to the game being close but as soon as he went to the bench to catch a blow, the lead would balloon to 15 points, forcing him to have little or no breaks, or worse having to have breaks on the floor...
Really good teams are not that dependent on one player, due to other players being able to pick up the slack..

 

[Mo-Better]

I'm never going to say MJ doesn't deserve the GOAT title. His record speaks for itself. But I have to agree with LeBron on a couple of counts. Michael played on some incredibly talented teams. Plus he had Phil Jackson who at that time probably was earning Coach of the Year honors repeatedly.

LeBron on the other hand is a victim of his own success. LeBron has dragged a few teams to the finals that weren't all that including this years Cavs that weren't the best teams. Lets be real this years Cavs team overachieved. Plus Golden State self destructed in the finals.

But LeBron needs to learn there's somethings in life you don't question because being right doesn't make you a winner. Arguing MJ's greatness or his record of success is not a winnable argument.The same is true of LeBron's record.

IMO they are both GOATs but not for the same reasons. Each man has made his own distinct path to greatness.

 

[keith6]

You have to have seen MJ to appreciate how much better he is than LJ, and the young fucks on here just don't know what they missed. Yes Bron is big and bulls his way to the basket but MJ finessed his way to the basket and make it more exciting to watch wondering what he was going to do today. What moves was he going to show you. LJ has one maybe two and is incredibly boring. He's also a Pussy for going back to the slave master who wrote all those things about him when he left cleveland (when I was firmly in his corner) That a big juicy pussy move and shows no heart or integrity. It smacks of someone with low self-esteem.

LJ is a choker and only benefited from a Hurt Steph Curry, Hurt Andrew Bogat, Hurt Andre Iguodala, and Missing Dramond Green and even then still almost lost. No one scored a point in the last 5 minutes of game 7 and it was Kyrie that saved the day not Bron punk pussy ass. NBA saw fit to cripple GS for no reason because Dramond won't scared of that pussy ass Lebron who can't play you straight up but has to resort to trying to get you suspended in order to have a chance at winning. He's a straight shit turd if I ever saw one.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Nighas asked Lebron how his Dirk taste

Ownage

 

[keith6]

...And to the guy that said who's going to stop him the next 7 years...? Well he will stop himself because he is just that much of a fuck up. They had a cake walk to the finals with the watered down east and then hit a wall and asked the NBA to bale them out because Dramond was too much for him. Dramond was out balling his ass in game 7 too and it would have been over game 5 with Dramond punking Bron uncle tom ass.

 

[sharkbait28]

Peace,

I gotta be honest: I don't see what any of you cats get from these MJ v. Lebron exchanges. Cats keep making the same points over and over and over again.

And this latest thread is just

So now it's a crime to actually need teammates to wing a ring? Now that's an indictment of a great player?

Same niggas that would have an aneurysm when Kobe took so many shots on his own.
Sports fandom is not a logic based endeavor, it's all fucking emotions and feelings. These threads baffle me tbh.

 

[Day_Carver]

You have to have seen MJ to appreciate how much better he is than LJ, and the young fucks on here just don't know what they missed. Yes Bron is big and bulls his way to the basket but MJ finessed his way to the basket and make it more exciting to watch wondering what he was going to do today. What moves was he going to show you. LJ has one maybe two and is incredibly boring. He's also a Pussy for going back to the slave master who wrote all those things about him when he left cleveland (when I was firmly in his corner) That a big juicy pussy move and shows no heart or integrity. It smacks of someone with low self-esteem.

LJ is a choker and only benefited from a Hurt Steph Curry, Hurt Andrew Bogat, Hurt Andre Iguodala, and Missing Dramond Green and even then still almost lost. No one scored a point in the last 5 minutes of game 7 and it was Kyrie that saved the day not Bron punk pussy ass. NBA saw fit to cripple GS for no reason because Dramond won't scared of that pussy ass Lebron who can't play you straight up but has to resort to trying to get you suspended in order to have a chance at winning. He's a straight shit turd if I ever saw one.

 

[Day_Carver]

Nighas asked Lebron how his Dirk taste

Ownage

 

[playahaitian]

Yeah this is all fun and all

But imagine if Lebron and MJ got together to release a limited edition sneaker

first ever joint Nike, Jordan, Lebron collaboration

and ALL proceeds went to the families of victims of police brutality and opening a Boys and Girls community center in Chicago and Cleveland.

(since white folk care SO MUCH about Black kids getting killed in Chicago)

I guarantee these white folks, Jordan stans and Bron apologists wouldn't be talking about and publicizing it for a damn near a WEEK like this bullsh*t false debate.

 

[Day_Carver]

That wasnt Brons point. He's pointing out the Jordan fans who act like he won them chips by himself to make his accomplishments seem small. His point was great teams win not individuals no matter what Jordan brand says. Until LeBron came in the league people acknowledged the Bulls as one of the greatest teams in the 90s. Now they were a one man show carrying bums and role players.

I havent seen anyone post in any MJ or NBA threads that MJ carried bums only; But in his 1st 3 rings, only pippen was an all star right; Grant was an all star in 94 when MJ left right; but he was a 2nd team all defensive player while MJ was there; everyone else well they didnt make any all star games or all nba teams; they were solid role players though; his 2nd set he had rodman and pippen, but harper wasnt an all star but he still was a good player; it takes good/great teams to win and to win championships; LBJ played with 2 future hall of famers in Miami and 2 all stars in Cleveland; and let RoadRage tell it, JR smith plays lights out defense; So LBJ hasnt won any rings without great players; So I really dont understand your hate for MJ or your continue willingness to try to create some shit for LBJ that isnt there; the funny thing is, you never played in the NBA; and neither have I; I dont think anybody on this board has played in the NBA, but I could be wrong; and yet the overwhelming majority of NBA PLAYERS, SCOUTS, COACHES, OWNERS, BEAT WRITERS, GMs etc etc etc, Consider MJ TO BE THE GREATEST; AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE; SO THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED, PLAYED, FOLLOWED, AND BEEN APART OF THE GAME FOR FOREVER THINK MJ IS THE BEST AND ITS NOT CLOSE; THE MAJORITY WOULD NEVER TAKE LBJ OVER MJ; AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS; OH I GUESS THEY ARE APART OF THE MJ SHOE CLUB ALSO

 

[Day_Carver]

Yeah this is all fun and all

But imagine if Lebron and MJ got together to release a limited edition sneaker

first ever joint Nike, Jordan, Lebron collaboration

and ALL proceeds went to the families of victims of police brutality and opening a Boys and Girls community center in Chicago and Cleveland.

(since white folk care SO MUCH about Black kids getting killed in Chicago)

I guarantee these white folks, Jordan stans and Bron apologists wouldn't be talking about and publicizing it for a damn near a WEEK like this bullsh*t false debate.

@KingTaharqa would come in and say; Well MJ should have did this while he played; hes only sucking up to LBJ now because he knows LBJ is about to surpass him as the greatest; LBJ owns MJ again; blah blah blah blah blah......

 

[RoadRage]

I havent seen anyone post in any MJ or NBA threads that MJ carried bums only; But in his 1st 3 rings, only pippen was an all star right; Grant was an all star in 94 when MJ left right; but he was a 2nd team all defensive player while MJ was there; everyone else well they didnt make any all star games or all nba teams; they were solid role players though; his 2nd set he had rodman and pippen, but harper wasnt an all star but he still was a good player; it takes good/great teams to win and to win championships; LBJ played with 2 future hall of famers in Miami and 2 all stars in Cleveland; and let RoadRage tell it, JR smith plays lights out defense; So LBJ hasnt won any rings without great players; So I really dont understand your hate for MJ or your continue willingness to try to create some shit for LBJ that isnt there; the funny thing is, you never played in the NBA; and neither have I; I dont think anybody on this board has played in the NBA, but I could be wrong; and yet the overwhelming majority of NBA PLAYERS, SCOUTS, COACHES, OWNERS, BEAT WRITERS, GMs etc etc etc, Consider MJ TO BE THE GREATEST; AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE; SO THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED, PLAYED, FOLLOWED, AND BEEN APART OF THE GAME FOR FOREVER THINK MJ IS THE BEST AND ITS NOT CLOSE; THE MAJORITY WOULD NEVER TAKE LBJ OVER MJ; AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS; OH I GUESS THEY ARE APART OF THE MJ SHOE CLUB ALSO

I always said that in order to win a championship you have to have players play great... Does that mean they are superstar no, matter fact most championship teams including the Jordan Bulls have only two super stars surrounded by a bunch of specialist or roll players, however the difference between a Bulls team or a Cavs team and a regular team with two superstars is that on the championship team, the roll players complement the superstar allowing him to be able to play to his maximum potential, and once this happens, the role players get better also in the process..

Your problem is that your not a thinker so your forced to appeal ti the truths or not so truth of people who you trust their authority... It ok many people have suffer from this problem I call them sheeple, however unlike them I have the ability to think for myself and have enough brains to realize that a million Frenchmen can be wrong, if they are indeed wrong...
If you was really able to think you would have listened when I told you at the middle of last season that no one wins championships in February and even though the Warriors looked like they were the team that should win the championships, the games are played on the court not in some screwed up guy head, but being that all the so called experts told you it was a sure thing, you took the bait and did what you always do...
The sad thing about it, if the Warriors were to win, you would have been pounding your chest swearing up and down that you are smart....

 

[MongoSlade23]

 

[Day_Carver]

I always said that in order to win a championship you have to have players play great... Does that mean they are superstar no, matter fact most championship teams including the Jordan Bulls have only two super stars surrounded by a bunch of specialist or roll players, however the difference between a Bulls team or a Cavs team and a regular team with two superstars is that on the championship team, the roll players complement the superstar allowing him to be able to play to his maximum potential, and once this happens, the role players get better also in the process..

Your problem is that your not a thinker so your forced to appeal ti the truths or not so truth of people who you trust their authority... It ok many people have suffer from this problem I call them sheeple, however unlike them I have the ability to think for myself and have enough brains to realize that a million Frenchmen can be wrong, if they are indeed wrong...
If you was really able to think you would have listened when I told you at the middle of last season that no one wins championships in February and even though the Warriors looked like they were the team that should win the championships, the games are played on the court not in some screwed up guy head, but being that all the so called experts told you it was a sure thing, you took the bait and did what you always do...
The sad thing about it, if the Warriors were to win, you would have been pounding your chest swearing up and down that you are smart....

dude stop it; @Spectrum made a mockery of you in a thread about shooting; posted stats and explanations over and over and yet the thread went like 5 or 6 pages longer because of your idiotic statements and dumb logic, bet yet you are a thinker; dude plenty of people have destroyed your logic(way of thinking) over and over from @BeatDownRecords to @IT IS WHAT IT IS to @largebillsonlyplease etc etc and yet you will come on here and say they are all wrong and you are right; dude you went into lurker mode, didnt say shit when Cavs were getting their asses kicked by GS; was scared to post anything, shaking and trembling like this but asa Cavs won you appeared like see I told you all; shut the fuck up dude; go back to lurking; no one on this board pays you any mind, no one....

 

[Lower9Nupe]

How exactly did he leapfrog over Kobe?

 

[RoadRage]

dude stop it; @Spectrum made a mockery of you in a thread about shooting; posted stats and explanations over and over and yet the thread went like 5 or 6 pages longer because of your idiotic statements and dumb logic, bet yet you are a thinker; dude plenty of people have destroyed your logic(way of thinking) over and over from @BeatDownRecords to @IT IS WHAT IT IS to @largebillsonlyplease etc etc and yet you will come on here and say they are all wrong and you are right; dude you went into lurker mode, didnt say shit when Cavs were getting their asses kicked by GS; was scared to post anything, shaking and trembling like this but asa Cavs won you appeared like see I told you all; shut the fuck up dude; go back to lurking; no one on this board pays you any mind, no one....

Check this out.... Here is my past record...
I said last year that the Cavs matched up better against the Warriors than any other team and that they was the only team on paper who can beat them..
Year before said the same thing, wasn't wrong due to the injuries.. Also said they would not win due to so many injuries after they got hurt..
Said the Heat should beat the Spurs, was wrong caught heat for it..
Said the Heat should beat the Spur was right..
Said the Heat should beat OKC, even after the first game bad loss (was called crazy) but saw a flaw in the OKC game... Was very right with this one..
Said the Heat would lose in the fianals due to their flaws, was right with that one..

So over the past six years I was right in all the finals except one.. Before you flap your jaws at me again like you know shit lets see what you predicted over that same period of time...
Come on put up or shut up!!!

 

[RoadRage]

Oh P.S. do you really want me to pull up your post that proves you was M.I.A. when the Warriors was down 3-1 vs OKC?????

 

[jasonblacc]

Lebron memory is fucked up too. He said Jordan had nothing to do with the Paxson shot, but it was Jordan who broke the press and got the ball up court to pippen.

 

[RoadRage]

Lebron memory is fucked up too. He said Jordan had nothing to do with the Paxson shot, but it was Jordan who broke the press and got the ball up court to pippen.

But that had little to do with the actual shot...

 

[jasonblacc]

But that had little to do with the actual shot...

Bullshit. That's what made the other defenders play chase and be out of position. When you break the press that cause people to be out of position.

 

[RoadRage]

Bullshit. That's what made the other defenders play chase and be out of position. When you break the press that cause people to be out of position.

Thats like a lineman taking credit for Jerry Rice catch in the superbowl, yeah its true that with out him protecting the QB the play may never had happened, but thats a far cry to saying the play happened because of him...

 

[MT Hermit]

Jordan didnt have to chase good teams because the Bulls management had the sense to actually put good teams together...

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Dude some the shit you say is wild, then you ignore all logical answers, you speak as if jordan fell ass backwards into being well recognized, and his greatness, there was nothing mediocre about jordan, brons great in his own right, but he's not jordan nor will he ever be, its two different era's, jordan faced a tough east to even get to the chips, and had to beat a stacked portland, knicks, pistons, jazz all on the way to his different chips, but this is what you do, you pick a guy and defend him to the point that all logic goes out the window, or you move the goal post to make or dismiss points. One example was the can debate hes roy, got stats etc, I was like so was luck and he still has a lot to show us, and up until last year had more playoff victories than cam,to which you gave some half ass answer, another in the tim duncan thread you said he is ok, a laughable statement, but then said mail man was that dude but in this very same thread you dismiss the jazz as weak, but the mailman was that dude right he got the jazz to the chip round twice... Btw mailman got his ass beat down by duncan when he knocked the admiral out I think he dropped 30 or something on his head.

 

[jasonblacc]

Thats like a lineman taking credit for Jerry Rice catch in the superbowl, yeah its true that with out him protecting the QB the play may never had happened, but thats a far cry to saying the play happened because of him...

What the fuck man.......how did you even Coke up with that analogy? Jordan broke the press which put the defense in scramble mode. Which is why Paxson was open.