(May 24 2023) - Another Sandy Hook just happened

Piff Henderson

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But this happened at a school. It doesn't matter what state you live in, schools fall into the category of locations where firearms are always prohibited and as such an easier target for any person malicious intentions
I thought teachers were allowed to be armed in TX? Anyway, it's still TX just like El Paso and that church shooting.
 

Flawless

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But this happened at a school. It doesn't matter what state you live in, schools fall into the category of locations where firearms are always prohibited and as such an easier target for any person malicious intentions

If the State makes it easy for everyone to get a gun whats going to stop them from bringing it to a school?
 

4 Dimensional

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i agree with you 100 percent. still somebody need to be around these people somehow and know what they got going. .

I think many of these younger shooters have their parents around that knew, but ignored the signs.

That’s why I’m for some of the parents of these mass shooters being charged or have some sort of civil suit against them.

Particularly like the one in Buffalo.
 

Big Tex

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Your initial statement was correct though. Banning guns will not make any significant impact other than to make it easier for law abiding citizens to become targets. People with malicious intentions will always find a way to do what they want. New York has some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet gun crime is even higher now than they were during the crack era. Criminals actually luv gun control because they never intend to follow them and the people they target become less likely to be able to oppose them.

 

Piff Henderson

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Although the notion may seem radical, at least 14 states already arm teachers, according to a VICE News review of state laws and interviews with education department officials and school board associations around the country. Those states are Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, and Washington.
 

Piff Henderson

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I think many of these younger shooters have their parents around that knew, but ignored the signs.

That’s why I’m for some of the parents of these mass shooters being charged or have some sort of civil suit against them.

Particularly like the one in Buffalo.
Maybe or maybe not.
 

cli-terminator

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Where were they today? Where were they in Buffalo? Why do 15,000 people die to gun violence a year here as compared to 50 in Japan. If you're putting the onus on "responsible gun owners" to stop this shit then you niggas need to step the fuck up and stop it or else we need to start suing you niggas for not stopping it.
For starters in Buffalo. just like everywhere else in NY, it's extremely difficult for any law abiding citizen to legally acquire a firearm. The shooter knew this and knew even more that it was especially unlikely in a poor neighborhood.

And to try to compare the US to Japan or similar countries is apples to oranges. There are all too many variables in how the government legislates that aren't being taken into consideration. Many of the governments in those countries hold a much tighter grip on the liberties given to their people.

I personally do not believe blaming guns will solve the issues we have here. I find them to be knee jerk reactions that are then gas lighted by misinformation and people with agendas. All too many people who lack basic firearm knowledge speaking to the masses on subject matter they know nothing about. All too many politicians and/or people with high status pushing nonrealistic ideas that won't work and they don't have to worry about whether they work or not because they are not the typical set of people who would be affected by it.

At the end of the day, a gun is only a tool that remains inanimate until a person uses it. Every time an incident happens, the 1st thing we hear is either "we gotta ban guns" or "it's a mental health issue". I call bullshit on both of those excuses. You never hear people blame a knife every time there's a stabbing, a car or liquor brand every time a drunk driver causes a deadly accident or other items that are common causes for non-natural deaths. The person who caused the death is always held responsible for the actions not the tool used. So why is it so different with firearms when it's also a tool as well. I believe the reason why gun killings are where they are is because it would require people on all levels to be informed, take responsibility for roles they play whether they be from a legislative or agenda perspective, and for money to be spent to fix theses issues in the areas that have been ignored and in need of dire attention for way too long
 

cli-terminator

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If the State makes it easy for everyone to get a gun whats going to stop them from bringing it to a school?
And how are the states making it easy for people to get a gun? Are your referring to constitutional carry?

And you're right there's not a lot that would stop a person from bringing a gun to a school if that's their intention from the jump. There would need to be a physical deterrent of some kind to do that. If the person is committed enough then they'll seek alternative means to meet their goal
 

Big Tex

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For starters in Buffalo. just like everywhere else in NY, it's extremely difficult for any law abiding citizen to legally acquire a firearm. The shooter knew this and knew even more that it was especially unlikely in a poor neighborhood.

And to try to compare the US to Japan or similar countries is apples to oranges. There are all too many variables in how the government legislates that aren't being taken into consideration. Many of the governments in those countries hold a much tighter grip on the liberties given to their people.

I personally do not believe blaming guns will solve the issues we have here. I find them to be knee jerk reactions that are then gas lighted by misinformation and people with agendas. All too many people who lack basic firearm knowledge speaking to the masses on subject matter they know nothing about. All too many politicians and/or people with high status pushing nonrealistic ideas that won't work and they don't have to worry about whether they work or not because they are not the typical set of people who would be affected by it.

At the end of the day, a gun is only a tool that remains inanimate until a person uses it. Every time an incident happens, the 1st thing we hear is either "we gotta ban guns" or "it's a mental health issue". I call bullshit on both of those excuses. You never hear people blame a knife every time there's a stabbing, a car or liquor brand every time a drunk driver causes a deadly accident or other items that are common causes for non-natural deaths. The person who caused the death is always held responsible for the actions not the tool used. So why is it so different with firearms when it's also a tool as well. I believe the reason why gun killings are where they are is because it would require people on all levels to be informed, take responsibility for roles they play whether they be from a legislative or agenda perspective, and for money to be spent to fix theses issues in the areas that have been ignored and in need of dire attention for way too long

So you're not saying it won't work. You're saying you would rather these shootings keep happening than to have guns restricted here.

So why are chemical weapons banned? And tactical nukes? We should let people have any type of weapon they want since banning them doesn't stop people from using them.

By the way, when was the last mass killing that used chemical weapons? Just asking.

When was the last mass shooting using a kind of gun that is banned?
 
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totto

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A issue is being 18 and throwing away your whole life over a belief, this political stuff is becoming a problem.

18 and done, not even entertaining fucking some hoes, marriage, travel, work, career, nothing just empty it all for a belief.

American politics damn near neck and neck with religion at this point.
 

cli-terminator

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So why are chemical weapons banned? And tactical nukes? We should let people have any type of weapon they want since banning them doesn't stop people from using them.

By the way, when was the last mass killing that used chemical weapons? Just asking.
Now you're just being facetious and ridiculous when you make rebuttals like this. Cmon fam we're better than that
 

Big Tex

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Now you're just being facetious and ridiculous when you make rebuttals like this. Cmon fam we're better than that

You said that banning a weapon won't stop people from using it to kill people. That s your argument. So answer the question. When is the last time chemical weapons were used in a mass killing? Why aren't they used more often? They're more effective than guns.
 

cli-terminator

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I thought teachers were allowed to be armed in TX? Anyway, it's still TX just like El Paso and that church shooting.
I don't know about what the teachers in TX are allowed to do from what they aren't so I can't speak on that. Church's are easy targets too cuz most shooters don't expect the congregation to be armed. However, I do recall a separate church shooting where the shooter was killed by someone in the church who did happen to be armed thus preventing the shooter from harming more people. It was the incident where Bloomberg said he applauded the church member for what he did but he'd still prefer things like that being handled by police.
 

Piff Henderson

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For starters in Buffalo. just like everywhere else in NY, it's extremely difficult for any law abiding citizen to legally acquire a firearm. The shooter knew this and knew even more that it was especially unlikely in a poor neighborhood.

And to try to compare the US to Japan or similar countries is apples to oranges. There are all too many variables in how the government legislates that aren't being taken into consideration. Many of the governments in those countries hold a much tighter grip on the liberties given to their people.

I personally do not believe blaming guns will solve the issues we have here. I find them to be knee jerk reactions that are then gas lighted by misinformation and people with agendas. All too many people who lack basic firearm knowledge speaking to the masses on subject matter they know nothing about. All too many politicians and/or people with high status pushing nonrealistic ideas that won't work and they don't have to worry about whether they work or not because they are not the typical set of people who would be affected by it.

At the end of the day, a gun is only a tool that remains inanimate until a person uses it. Every time an incident happens, the 1st thing we hear is either "we gotta ban guns" or "it's a mental health issue". I call bullshit on both of those excuses. You never hear people blame a knife every time there's a stabbing, a car or liquor brand every time a drunk driver causes a deadly accident or other items that are common causes for non-natural deaths. The person who caused the death is always held responsible for the actions not the tool used. So why is it so different with firearms when it's also a tool as well. I believe the reason why gun killings are where they are is because it would require people on all levels to be informed, take responsibility for roles they play whether they be from a legislative or agenda perspective, and for money to be spent to fix theses issues in the areas that have been ignored and in need of dire attention for way too long
The US is the most armed country in the Western world and the country where you're the most likely to be killed by a firearm.

What's being done in this country isn't working by any metric. More guns don't lead to a safer society. That shit should be obvious by now.
 

Piff Henderson

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I don't know about what the teachers in TX are allowed to do from what they aren't so I can't speak on that. Church's are easy targets too cuz most shooters don't expect the congregation to be armed. However, I do recall a separate church shooting where the shooter was killed by someone in the church who did happen to be armed thus preventing the shooter from harming more people. It was the incident where Bloomberg said he applauded the church member for what he did but he'd still prefer things like that being handled by police.
I already posted the article that says TX is one of 15 states that allow teachers to be armed.

Pretty much any target outside of government facility is an "easy target." Most people, even if they're carrying, don't walk around expecting to face an active shooter that day. They're likely not trained for it either.

In the church shooting I'm thinking of, an armed citizen engaged the shooter after he killed people and exited the church.
 

cli-terminator

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You said that banning a weapon won't stop people from using it to kill people. That s your argument. So answer the question. When is the last time chemical weapons were used in a mass killing? Why aren't they used more often? They're more effective than guns.
Do you or anyone you know have access to enough enriched uranium or plutonium to produce fission? Do you or anyone you know have the chemical knowledge, equipment or access to create mustard bombs, nerve gas or other weapons of such? Well neither does the average person.

And to add to that, any purchasing of said items through means without the proper approvals would trigger a red flag to officials to investigate. Similar happens when a person purchases a certain amount of firearms within a short amount of time. There are mechanisms in place to monitor these activities but the difference between chemical/nuke bombs and firearms is that the feds pay much more attention to bombs. The communication between federal, state, county and city is no where near where it should be and that's a major part of the problem.
 

Dr. Truth

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It doesn’t matter if gun laws are strict criminals get guns easy . Do you know how many guns are on the streets here in California? Niggas got military grade machine guns. You can find boxes of guns in abandoned houses around west and east Oakland. The police put them shits there. It doesn’t fucking matter , the difference is the people who do these mass shootings are rarely gang members who have no access. The mass shooting recently in Sacramento were gangbangers targeting rivals.

It’s the quiet incel random cacs with legal access you have to worry about. I’m not worried about random thugs with guns they don’t Kill people for no reason
 

TX4lyfe

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banning guns won't stop this . if people know you got a crazy muthafucka as a friend or family member. they just gotta rat that muthafucka out. especially if they white. these people got serious issues.
Banning guns will make mass shootings worse. Notice this and the Buffalo shooting happened in gun restricted areas
 

Big Tex

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Do you or anyone you know have access to enough enriched uranium or plutonium to produce fission? Do you or anyone you know have the chemical knowledge, equipment or access to create mustard bombs, nerve gas or other weapons of such? Well neither does the average person.

And to add to that, any purchasing of said items through means without the proper approvals would trigger a red flag to officials to investigate. Similar happens when a person purchases a certain amount of firearms within a short amount of time. There are mechanisms in place to monitor these activities but the difference between chemical/nuke bombs and firearms is that the feds pay much more attention to bombs. The communication between federal, state, county and city is no where near where it should be and that's a major part of the problem.

So what you are saying then is easy access to those things would make it more likely people would use them. But somehow the easy access to guns is not causing all these shootings...
 

cli-terminator

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The US is the most armed country in the Western world and the country where you're the most likely to be killed by a firearm.

What's being done in this country isn't working by any metric. More guns don't lead to a safer society. That shit should be obvious by now.
It's no secret that a malicious shooter is less likely to attack somewhere he knows they'll face armed opposition. However, I'm not saying more guns lead to a safer society. Not everyone can handle or should handle a firearm. However I do believe everyone should be at minimum be taught situational awareness. You don't need to own a firearm to recognize a potential problem before it occurs. Just have to know how to be aware of the signs.

I already posted the article that says TX is one of 15 states that allow teachers to be armed.

Pretty much any target outside of government facility is an "easy target." Most people, even if they're carrying, don't walk around expecting to face an active shooter that day. They're likely not trained for it either.

In the church shooting I'm thinking of, an armed citizen engaged the shooter after he killed people and exited the church.
There are a lot of unheard of stories where things like that happen and in some cases prevented countless more lives from being lost. Unfortunately they all too often go unreported. There's a very skewed narrative when it comes to firearms.
 

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Do you or anyone you know have access to enough enriched uranium or plutonium to produce fission? Do you or anyone you know have the chemical knowledge, equipment or access to create mustard bombs, nerve gas or other weapons of such? Well neither does the average person.

And to add to that, any purchasing of said items through means without the proper approvals would trigger a red flag to officials to investigate. Similar happens when a person purchases a certain amount of firearms within a short amount of time. There are mechanisms in place to monitor these activities but the difference between chemical/nuke bombs and firearms is that the feds pay much more attention to bombs. The communication between federal, state, county and city is no where near where it should be and that's a major part of the problem.


If you wanted to make say... Chlorine gas. It really ain't that hard. Just need some bleach and a bit of googling. Not nerve gas but deadly still.

Full disclosure: Gun(s) owner. VA resident. Can buy as many guns as needed at any time as long as money is in my possession.


***Also, not disagreeing or adding much in substance
 
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cli-terminator

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I personally hate when innocent lives are lost due to incidents like this. And I equally hate the slew of misinformation that comes immediately after as well. When I come in to posts like this or engage with ppl on FB, I can care less if you're pro or anti-gun. My main thing is I just want people to be informed properly so that they can ultimately decide for themselves what stance they should take instead of being swayed by inaccurate information for propaganda or ulterior agenda purposes
 
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