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Mosley Vs. Clottey is a done deal for December 26 
This is a must win for both guys. I've already seen on boxing messageboards niggas saying Shane will KO Clottey.
This is a 50-50 fight in my eyes
This is a must win for both guys. I've already seen on boxing messageboards niggas saying Shane will KO Clottey.
This is a 50-50 fight in my eyes
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http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=285491
Of course Shane has the edge. The fight is in his hometown on a Golden Boy promotion. This fight will most likely go to decision. If it's close, you gotta expect Mosley to win it
Yeah, I've been wanting to see one of them take that first big step, we'll see how it goes.
Berto has been spoiled by HBO overpaying him. He turned down a fair offer to unify against Hlatshwayo. It's really HBO's fault. Why are the overpaying fighters anyway? There's no need for it.
Listen, his team isn't gonna put him in w/ the elite until they believe he can win. They're gonna wait, let Berto get better, & let the other fighters age & beat each other up. Even then, im not sure he can beat those guys. I'm not high on him at all.
Fightnews:
Melvina Lathan was the most reliable judge on the East coast and Graham was the most reliable judge on the West coast, to me. With both of them gone now, I aint go no idea on who can replace their integrity.
As for Mosley/Clottey, I just now noticed how this is almost a replica of the golden age of welterweights:
Leonard/Hearns/Benitez/Duran all fought each other.
Nowdays:
Mosley/Cotto/Margarito/Clottey.
It would be nice as hell if the trend could continue more often.
Melvina Lathan was the most reliable judge on the East coast and Graham was the most reliable judge on the West coast, to me. With both of them gone now, I aint go no idea on who can replace their integrity.
As for Mosley/Clottey, I just now noticed how this is almost a replica of the golden age of welterweights:
Leonard/Hearns/Benitez/Duran all fought each other.
Nowdays:
Mosley/Cotto/Margarito/Clottey.
It would be nice as hell if the trend could continue more often.
It is interesting how these fights get done nowadays....It's like you can fairly predict who will be fighting each other due to the promotional companies that they are under...
But I'm glad that Clottey got another shot at a belt...However, it is against Shane Mosley (my fave fighter out now) and he may have some problems trying to move in...For those that thought he wasn't active enough against Cotto, if he tries the same thing against Mosley, he'll get blasted out of there quick...
It is interesting how these fights get done nowadays....It's like you can fairly predict who will be fighting each other due to the promotional companies that they are under...
But I'm glad that Clottey got another shot at a belt...However, it is against Shane Mosley (my fave fighter out now) and he may have some problems trying to move in...For those that thought he wasn't active enough against Cotto, if he tries the same thing against Mosley, he'll get blasted out of there quick...
He wasn't, it's his achilles heel, he has the Ike Quartey syndrome, he always thinks he does enuff to win and always thinks he was robbed. I don't know if Mosley will KO him, he's a tuff cookie. If Shane goes to the body tho....there's a first time fo everything, he might well stop Josh. Cotto went to the body a decent amount of times and Josh was breathing pretty hard in the corner from round ten on.
You're going to have to give me a lil time, I'm moving into a new house and it's kind of tough time-wise when you're going at it alone. I'll post when I can but it'll be a bit erratic for the next couple weeks. I'll try to find that Doc for you. Any idea when it came out? Any info is helpful, if someone on FF has it, they might upload it for me. I think that was a series of docs if I'm not mistaken.
Kessler Warms up for Super Six
This Saturday night sees the return of Mikkel Kessler to the boxing ring for the first time in almost 11 months since defending his WBA super middleweight title against Danilo Haussler of Germany. That time out Kessler defeated the German convincingly with a 3rd round knock out. Since then "The Viking" Warrior has signed up to fight in Showtime's Super 6 Tournemant alongside Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Jermain Taylor, Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell. With Kessler in need of ring action before facing the best super middles out there, he enters the ring against Gusmyr Perdomo (16-2) of Venezuela who is the mandatory for Kesslers belt.
Kesslers last fight before the Super 6 starts is being broadcast on a delayed feed on Showtime, just before his 1st Super 6 opponent Andre Ward steps into the ring on the network against Shelby Pudwill. Kessler will be keen to put in an impressive performance against an opponent who has never been stopped, but it stepping up to a different level. On paper both fighters have fought 1 same opponent within the last 2 years, Dimitri Sartison. Sartison was undefeated in 20 fights when Perdomo fought him in Germany and put up a good fight before losing on all 3 judges scorecards by small margins. Sartison fought once more before taking on Kessler in Denmark, with "The Viking Warrior" winning with a 12th round KO despite leading easily on points.
Perdomo, who is 3 years Kesslers senior has never been in the ring with the same class as Kessler, also lacks the same experience has the Danish fighter but will come to the ring to cause an upset, although this action will be unlikely. Kessler and Ward are due to fight on the 21st November, barring injury to either fighter so Kessler will be likely to be looking to get some rounds under his belt in preparation for Ward, but will still be looking for an early finish.
This Saturday night sees the return of Mikkel Kessler to the boxing ring for the first time in almost 11 months since defending his WBA super middleweight title against Danilo Haussler of Germany. That time out Kessler defeated the German convincingly with a 3rd round knock out. Since then "The Viking" Warrior has signed up to fight in Showtime's Super 6 Tournemant alongside Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Jermain Taylor, Andre Ward and Andre Dirrell. With Kessler in need of ring action before facing the best super middles out there, he enters the ring against Gusmyr Perdomo (16-2) of Venezuela who is the mandatory for Kesslers belt.
Kesslers last fight before the Super 6 starts is being broadcast on a delayed feed on Showtime, just before his 1st Super 6 opponent Andre Ward steps into the ring on the network against Shelby Pudwill. Kessler will be keen to put in an impressive performance against an opponent who has never been stopped, but it stepping up to a different level. On paper both fighters have fought 1 same opponent within the last 2 years, Dimitri Sartison. Sartison was undefeated in 20 fights when Perdomo fought him in Germany and put up a good fight before losing on all 3 judges scorecards by small margins. Sartison fought once more before taking on Kessler in Denmark, with "The Viking Warrior" winning with a 12th round KO despite leading easily on points.
Perdomo, who is 3 years Kesslers senior has never been in the ring with the same class as Kessler, also lacks the same experience has the Danish fighter but will come to the ring to cause an upset, although this action will be unlikely. Kessler and Ward are due to fight on the 21st November, barring injury to either fighter so Kessler will be likely to be looking to get some rounds under his belt in preparation for Ward, but will still be looking for an early finish.
Taylor:"I have what it takes to beat Abraham!"
Former middleweight champion Jermain Taylor knows what it takes to win – finish strong. And now Taylor has changed his training camp from Miami, Florida, to prepare for his explosive October 17th fight with Arthur Abraham in Berlin, Germany at o2 World. Taylor is going through a grueling 10-week training camp at former heavyweight champion George Foreman's gym in Houston, Texas, the George Foreman Youth Center.
The Taylor-Abraham fight is the start of the historic inaugural Super Six World Boxing Classic round-robin six fighter tournament, featuring the class of the Super Middleweight division from home and abroad. Five of the world's top boxing promoters have collaborated with SHOWTIME Sports to facilitate this epic tournament. Lou DiBella of DiBella Entertainment, Dan Goossen of Goossen Tutor Promotions, Mick Hennessy of Hennessy Sports, Gary Shaw of Gary Shaw Productions LLC and Wilfried and Kalle Sauerland of Sauerland Event will promote the tournament which begins October 17th and runs through spring 2011.
Taylor (28-3-1, 17 KO's) was stopped late in the 12th round, coming within 14 seconds of winning the super middleweight title in his last bout with Froch. Coming that close and not tasting victory is something that Taylor said will never happen again. That's why this training camp – Taylor's first in Houston – is different.
"It was time for a change from Miami. I got to comfortable and there can be a lot of distractions in Miami. I like the training environment here in Houston. The gym is located in a very remote part of Houston which allows total focus and commitment," said Taylor. "Things have been very intense and serious in camp. Everyone is working hard. There's going to be a lot of focus on the 10th, 11th, 12th round if the fight should go that far. Those are the rounds I usually get tired. I will be prepared to make sure I have the last few rounds under control."
George Foreman, who has 68 knockouts among his 76 career victories, has occasionally stopped by the gym and spoken with Taylor at camp, and Taylor has done some of his early morning runs with Foreman's sons.
"George will stop by the gym sometimes and observes our workouts. He has offered some good advice, not only about boxing , but about life in general. When George talks you can't do anything but listen," said Taylor.
But this camp isn't about reminiscing with boxing legends. It is about working to regain Taylor's place among boxing's elite, where he rightfully belongs.
"For this fight it's about stepping up to the plate and delivering. I have to dictate and control this fight," said Taylor.
Ozell Nelson, Taylor's trainer, knows that this tournament gives Taylor an opportunity to show the boxing world that Taylor is still a force, and should not be taken lightly.
"Jermain is going to come out and shock the people of Germany when he beats their hometown hero," Nelson said. "I know most people in the boxing world have written Jermain off. We're going back to the basics that got us here. It would be a huge mistake to think Jermain doesn't have anything left in the tank."
Abraham (30-0, 24 KO's) is the reigning middleweight champion and fighting in his hometown, but Taylor isn't concerned about the odds against him.
"I know Arthur's fighting in his hometown," Taylor said. "I'm no stranger to fighting overseas, being a former Olympian I know what it's like. I know he's going to have the crowd behind him. I'm going to keep the crowd out of the fight. I'm going to make him fight a way he doesn't want to fight. He's a tough fighter, but I will be ready for the challenge."
The fans are certainly going to be ready for what is expected to be a non-stop action fight between two of the most exciting boxers in the super middleweight division.
"This tournament is historic, and on Oct. 17, Jermain Taylor is going to solidify himself among the great 168-pounders in the world by defeating the reigning middleweight champion Arthur Abraham in his adopted hometown of Berlin." Lou DiBella, Taylor's promoter, said. "We're looking forward to coming to Berlin, and disappointing some of the greatest boxing fans in the world."
Former middleweight champion Jermain Taylor knows what it takes to win – finish strong. And now Taylor has changed his training camp from Miami, Florida, to prepare for his explosive October 17th fight with Arthur Abraham in Berlin, Germany at o2 World. Taylor is going through a grueling 10-week training camp at former heavyweight champion George Foreman's gym in Houston, Texas, the George Foreman Youth Center.
The Taylor-Abraham fight is the start of the historic inaugural Super Six World Boxing Classic round-robin six fighter tournament, featuring the class of the Super Middleweight division from home and abroad. Five of the world's top boxing promoters have collaborated with SHOWTIME Sports to facilitate this epic tournament. Lou DiBella of DiBella Entertainment, Dan Goossen of Goossen Tutor Promotions, Mick Hennessy of Hennessy Sports, Gary Shaw of Gary Shaw Productions LLC and Wilfried and Kalle Sauerland of Sauerland Event will promote the tournament which begins October 17th and runs through spring 2011.
Taylor (28-3-1, 17 KO's) was stopped late in the 12th round, coming within 14 seconds of winning the super middleweight title in his last bout with Froch. Coming that close and not tasting victory is something that Taylor said will never happen again. That's why this training camp – Taylor's first in Houston – is different.
"It was time for a change from Miami. I got to comfortable and there can be a lot of distractions in Miami. I like the training environment here in Houston. The gym is located in a very remote part of Houston which allows total focus and commitment," said Taylor. "Things have been very intense and serious in camp. Everyone is working hard. There's going to be a lot of focus on the 10th, 11th, 12th round if the fight should go that far. Those are the rounds I usually get tired. I will be prepared to make sure I have the last few rounds under control."
George Foreman, who has 68 knockouts among his 76 career victories, has occasionally stopped by the gym and spoken with Taylor at camp, and Taylor has done some of his early morning runs with Foreman's sons.
"George will stop by the gym sometimes and observes our workouts. He has offered some good advice, not only about boxing , but about life in general. When George talks you can't do anything but listen," said Taylor.
But this camp isn't about reminiscing with boxing legends. It is about working to regain Taylor's place among boxing's elite, where he rightfully belongs.
"For this fight it's about stepping up to the plate and delivering. I have to dictate and control this fight," said Taylor.
Ozell Nelson, Taylor's trainer, knows that this tournament gives Taylor an opportunity to show the boxing world that Taylor is still a force, and should not be taken lightly.
"Jermain is going to come out and shock the people of Germany when he beats their hometown hero," Nelson said. "I know most people in the boxing world have written Jermain off. We're going back to the basics that got us here. It would be a huge mistake to think Jermain doesn't have anything left in the tank."
Abraham (30-0, 24 KO's) is the reigning middleweight champion and fighting in his hometown, but Taylor isn't concerned about the odds against him.
"I know Arthur's fighting in his hometown," Taylor said. "I'm no stranger to fighting overseas, being a former Olympian I know what it's like. I know he's going to have the crowd behind him. I'm going to keep the crowd out of the fight. I'm going to make him fight a way he doesn't want to fight. He's a tough fighter, but I will be ready for the challenge."
The fans are certainly going to be ready for what is expected to be a non-stop action fight between two of the most exciting boxers in the super middleweight division.
"This tournament is historic, and on Oct. 17, Jermain Taylor is going to solidify himself among the great 168-pounders in the world by defeating the reigning middleweight champion Arthur Abraham in his adopted hometown of Berlin." Lou DiBella, Taylor's promoter, said. "We're looking forward to coming to Berlin, and disappointing some of the greatest boxing fans in the world."
thanks......
and I just watched Arum's rant about MMA....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_tsPatoBU
what you think about it?
and another question...
ppl say Boxing is dead/or dying
what do you think Boxing needs to do to bring in more fans and get ppl excited?
thanks......
and I just watched Arum's rant about MMA....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE_tsPatoBU
what you think about it?
and another question...
ppl say Boxing is dead/or dying
what do you think Boxing needs to do to bring in more fans and get ppl excited?
I don't particularly believe that boxing has been dead or dying, I think that's MMA propaganda. The public who doesn't really know anything about boxing, say that, because boxing has always, and unrightfully so, been judged by the state of the heavyweight division.
As great as the caucasian public says the Klitschko brothers are, I don't buy it. These guys are huge, physically gifted athletes - who refuse to mix it up in the ring and provide the public with spectacular fights. The heavyweight division is also trash as a whole. A bunch of guys who would naturally be fighting at 225 - who have to put on 50 pounds just to be able to compete with the "super" heavyweights. It's a ridiculous state of affairs when you have "champs" who are supposedly more talented than everyone else, hitting and holding and pitty pat jabbing their way to victory. But south of the heavyweight division - let's look at this "dying"
sport:At super middle you have some of the most talented 168lb'ers ever assembled, about to kick off a tourney that the whole boxing world is already buzzing about. Six damm good, world class fighters about to set it off to see who's the best. At light heavy, you have the Dawson/Johnson rematch about to take place, with the winner most likely facing B-Hop.
Middleweight has a shit-load of prospects coming up, do a lil' research(i can't remember names right now) and you'll find that in about 2 or 3 years, the middle division might be the strongest in boxing. At junior-welter, welter and super-welter you have names like Mayweather, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Berto, Pacquiao, Marquez, Malignaggi, Diaz, Hatton, Bradley and the Petersons. In other words, a shit load of good possible matchups. From 135 down to feather you got names like Khan, Lopez, Caballero, Valero, Guzman, Marquez, Vazquez, Gamboa.......man if you are a boxing fan and your mouth doesn't start to salivate with the possibility of all these matchups - then maybe some of these cats should be watching MMA....
Nah Poet, the layman will tell you boxing is dead because there are no more Tysons and Holmes's, the Ali's and the Holyfields are all gone - but I say with all these matches that could possibly be made below heavyweight - I don't really miss that division right now. Boxing is alive and well, just ask Mayweather and DeLaHoya - who've both probably made just as much money as Dana White has in the past few years, if not, more so. Ask any MMA fighter if he's as rich as Dana......
I don't particularly believe that boxing has been dead or dying, I think that's MMA propaganda. The public who doesn't really know anything about boxing, say that, because boxing has always, and unrightfully so, been judged by the state of the heavyweight division.
As great as the caucasian public says the Klitschko brothers are, I don't buy it. These guys are huge, physically gifted athletes - who refuse to mix it up in the ring and provide the public with spectacular fights. The heavyweight division is also trash as a whole. A bunch of guys who would naturally be fighting at 225 - who have to put on 50 pounds just to be able to compete with the "super" heavyweights. It's a ridiculous state of affairs when you have "champs" who are supposedly more talented than everyone else, hitting and holding and pitty pat jabbing their way to victory. But south of the heavyweight division - let's look at this "dying"
At super middle you have some of the most talented 168lb'ers ever assembled, about to kick off a tourney that the whole boxing world is already buzzing about. Six damm good, world class fighters about to set it off to see who's the best. At light heavy, you have the Dawson/Johnson rematch about to take place, with the winner most likely facing B-Hop.
Middleweight has a shit-load of prospects coming up, do a lil' research(i can't remember names right now) and you'll find that in about 2 or 3 years, the middle division might be the strongest in boxing. At junior-welter, welter and super-welter you have names like Mayweather, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Berto, Pacquiao, Marquez, Malignaggi, Diaz, Hatton, Bradley and the Petersons. In other words, a shit load of good possible matchups. From 135 down to feather you got names like Khan, Lopez, Caballero, Valero, Guzman, Marquez, Vazquez, Gamboa.......man if you are a boxing fan and your mouth doesn't start to salivate with the possibility of all these matchups - then maybe some of these cats should be watching MMA....
Nah Poet, the layman will tell you boxing is dead because there are no more Tysons and Holmes's, the Ali's and the Holyfields are all gone - but I say with all these matches that could possibly be made below heavyweight - I don't really miss that division right now. Boxing is alive and well, just ask Mayweather and DeLaHoya - who've both probably made just as much money as Dana White has in the past few years, if not, more so. Ask any MMA fighter if he's as rich as Dana......
interesting....I wanted to read your opinion....
TO UNSEAT MAYWEATHER, MARQUEZ LOOKS TO OWN PAST
After 13 years as a pro, Mayweather is still unbeaten (39-0), and trainers continue to pore over his past fights for any sign of weakness.
The latest is Nacho Beristain, the trainer for Floyd's next opponenent, Juan Manuel Marquez. Beristain, as so many other trainers have said before, feels sure he has found the way to break down Mayweather's defenses. But he didn't get his strategy from watching tape of Mayweather. Instead, he looked 14 years into the past for the plan he'd used to defeat another elusive boxer who had a significant height and reach advantage over Marquez.
"We are working on the same game plan for Mayweather that we used against Julian Wheeler, one of Juan Manuel's first fights in the United States," Beristain said through an interpreter. In 1995, Marquez took on Wheeler at the Great Western Forum, and scored a TKO in the tenth and final round. A former U.S. Olympian and U.S. National champion, Wheeler was listed as 5'8" ½, but when he stepped into the ring, TV announcer Tom Kelly said, "Marquez is decidedly shorter, and in fact listed as 5'7". I would think Wheeler would be closer to 5'10" from the look of him as they stand out there." Wheeler also had a freakish 74-inch reach—almost unheard of for a featherweight—which is two inches longer than Mayweather's.
So how did Beristain neutralize Wheeler's size advantage? He devised a strategy in which Marquez would tire out Wheeler and then batter him in the final rounds. He had Marquez stay in the middle of the ring and not move around except to pivot. This forced Wheeler to constantly expend energy while trying to square off with Marquez and kept him dancing on his toes all night.
In the final minute of the fight Marquez tattooed Julian Wheeler with a four-punch combo that wobbled the bigger man's knees.
The strategy paid off in the closing rounds when the wheels started to come off for Wheeler. In the final round, Wheeler's legs looked leaden and his gloves seemed to be moving in slow motion. Marquez pounced, landing virtually everything he let fly. In the final minute of the fight Marquez tattooed Wheeler with a four-punch combo that wobbled the bigger man's knees. Wheeler, who had been described by Kelly earlier as "a magnificent boxer," was reduced to looking like a punch-drunk wrestler. With five seconds left, and Wheeler still grabbing the referee—somewhat controversially—stepped in and stopped the fight.
It was an impressive victory for the young Mexican. The 22-year-old Marquez had the poise of a seasoned veteran, never straying far from Beristain's game plan. With the exception of round seven and a brief moment in 10, Marquez's back never touched the ropes. He fought the entire time in the middle of the ring.
Longtime Providence-based promoter Jimmy Burchfield had Wheeler in his stable in 1995, and was ringside for the fight. When asked 14 years later if Marquez's strategy against Wheeler had been designed to gas his fighter, Burchfield said: "I think that is exactly what Marquez was trying to do. Julian was tiring out towards the end. Marquez went into that fight as a young 22-year-old and after that fight he gained a lot of respect and became a man in the boxing business."
While it certainly worked at the time, does it make sense to use a 14-year-old strategy that felled a featherweight to beat one of the best pound-for-pound boxers in the world? It just might. Mayweather's template is to hang back or lie on the ropes and make his opponents chase him so he can sting them with counterpunches. Ricky Hatton did just that and ran smack into a left hook that ended the fight. Don't expect Marquez, a highly-disciplined fighter, to fall into the same trap.
If Marquez doesn't deviate, then Mayweather will almost certainly be forced into the role of aggressor, in no small part because of the lingering shadow of Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather may also subscribe to the notion that if he wants to gain financial leverage at the negotiating table for a possible fight with Pacquiao, he must look more impressive in beating Marquez than Pacquiao was in his razor-thin split decision last year—and when the two fought to a draw in 2004 Should Mayweather win by split decision, or a unanimous one in which the scorecards are very close, count on Pacquiao—the reigning pound-for-pound king—to reject a purse split close to parity and demand the lion's share, as he did against Ricky Hatton and will get for his announced bout with Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14.
In any case, the fight has already heated up outside the ring, but the talk has only made it less clear what approach Beristain plans to deploy on fight night. In an interview on Aug.4 with the Mexican newspaper ESTO, Marquez mentioned this conflicting strategy: "This week we began to work on speed and that is what I need to beat Mayweather. Also I am training to strike the body. It's rare that anyone hit him to the body. Zab Judah did it, and I am also going to do it." Marquez also told ESTO that he would specifically target the rib injury Mayweather suffered in training, which caused the scheduled July 18 fight to be postponed.
Marquez's declaration of war on Mayweather's ribs did not go unnoticed. The next day, Mayweather posted on his Twitter account, MAYWEATHERMANIA: "Marquez says hes goin after my ribs but theres no weakness in MONEY MAY. Only ribs he'll b diggin n2 will b at Outback after I take him down."
So which is it? Is Marquez planning to come out gunning for Mayweather's body? Or will he hold court in the center of the ring and make Mayweather bring the fight to him? Beristain might be sending mixed signals on purpose. "I can't tell you what we are going to do because that is between me and my fighter," he said, right before proceeding to do just that. Come fight night, we'll know what strategy Marquez's camp has settled on, and whether to add it to the heap of failed bids to take down Floyd Mayweather, or if it stands as a plan worth looking back on, 14 years from now.
After 13 years as a pro, Mayweather is still unbeaten (39-0), and trainers continue to pore over his past fights for any sign of weakness.
The latest is Nacho Beristain, the trainer for Floyd's next opponenent, Juan Manuel Marquez. Beristain, as so many other trainers have said before, feels sure he has found the way to break down Mayweather's defenses. But he didn't get his strategy from watching tape of Mayweather. Instead, he looked 14 years into the past for the plan he'd used to defeat another elusive boxer who had a significant height and reach advantage over Marquez.
"We are working on the same game plan for Mayweather that we used against Julian Wheeler, one of Juan Manuel's first fights in the United States," Beristain said through an interpreter. In 1995, Marquez took on Wheeler at the Great Western Forum, and scored a TKO in the tenth and final round. A former U.S. Olympian and U.S. National champion, Wheeler was listed as 5'8" ½, but when he stepped into the ring, TV announcer Tom Kelly said, "Marquez is decidedly shorter, and in fact listed as 5'7". I would think Wheeler would be closer to 5'10" from the look of him as they stand out there." Wheeler also had a freakish 74-inch reach—almost unheard of for a featherweight—which is two inches longer than Mayweather's.
So how did Beristain neutralize Wheeler's size advantage? He devised a strategy in which Marquez would tire out Wheeler and then batter him in the final rounds. He had Marquez stay in the middle of the ring and not move around except to pivot. This forced Wheeler to constantly expend energy while trying to square off with Marquez and kept him dancing on his toes all night.
In the final minute of the fight Marquez tattooed Julian Wheeler with a four-punch combo that wobbled the bigger man's knees.
The strategy paid off in the closing rounds when the wheels started to come off for Wheeler. In the final round, Wheeler's legs looked leaden and his gloves seemed to be moving in slow motion. Marquez pounced, landing virtually everything he let fly. In the final minute of the fight Marquez tattooed Wheeler with a four-punch combo that wobbled the bigger man's knees. Wheeler, who had been described by Kelly earlier as "a magnificent boxer," was reduced to looking like a punch-drunk wrestler. With five seconds left, and Wheeler still grabbing the referee—somewhat controversially—stepped in and stopped the fight.
It was an impressive victory for the young Mexican. The 22-year-old Marquez had the poise of a seasoned veteran, never straying far from Beristain's game plan. With the exception of round seven and a brief moment in 10, Marquez's back never touched the ropes. He fought the entire time in the middle of the ring.
Longtime Providence-based promoter Jimmy Burchfield had Wheeler in his stable in 1995, and was ringside for the fight. When asked 14 years later if Marquez's strategy against Wheeler had been designed to gas his fighter, Burchfield said: "I think that is exactly what Marquez was trying to do. Julian was tiring out towards the end. Marquez went into that fight as a young 22-year-old and after that fight he gained a lot of respect and became a man in the boxing business."
While it certainly worked at the time, does it make sense to use a 14-year-old strategy that felled a featherweight to beat one of the best pound-for-pound boxers in the world? It just might. Mayweather's template is to hang back or lie on the ropes and make his opponents chase him so he can sting them with counterpunches. Ricky Hatton did just that and ran smack into a left hook that ended the fight. Don't expect Marquez, a highly-disciplined fighter, to fall into the same trap.
If Marquez doesn't deviate, then Mayweather will almost certainly be forced into the role of aggressor, in no small part because of the lingering shadow of Manny Pacquiao. Mayweather may also subscribe to the notion that if he wants to gain financial leverage at the negotiating table for a possible fight with Pacquiao, he must look more impressive in beating Marquez than Pacquiao was in his razor-thin split decision last year—and when the two fought to a draw in 2004 Should Mayweather win by split decision, or a unanimous one in which the scorecards are very close, count on Pacquiao—the reigning pound-for-pound king—to reject a purse split close to parity and demand the lion's share, as he did against Ricky Hatton and will get for his announced bout with Miguel Cotto on Nov. 14.
In any case, the fight has already heated up outside the ring, but the talk has only made it less clear what approach Beristain plans to deploy on fight night. In an interview on Aug.4 with the Mexican newspaper ESTO, Marquez mentioned this conflicting strategy: "This week we began to work on speed and that is what I need to beat Mayweather. Also I am training to strike the body. It's rare that anyone hit him to the body. Zab Judah did it, and I am also going to do it." Marquez also told ESTO that he would specifically target the rib injury Mayweather suffered in training, which caused the scheduled July 18 fight to be postponed.
Marquez's declaration of war on Mayweather's ribs did not go unnoticed. The next day, Mayweather posted on his Twitter account, MAYWEATHERMANIA: "Marquez says hes goin after my ribs but theres no weakness in MONEY MAY. Only ribs he'll b diggin n2 will b at Outback after I take him down."
So which is it? Is Marquez planning to come out gunning for Mayweather's body? Or will he hold court in the center of the ring and make Mayweather bring the fight to him? Beristain might be sending mixed signals on purpose. "I can't tell you what we are going to do because that is between me and my fighter," he said, right before proceeding to do just that. Come fight night, we'll know what strategy Marquez's camp has settled on, and whether to add it to the heap of failed bids to take down Floyd Mayweather, or if it stands as a plan worth looking back on, 14 years from now.
WTF is wrong with HBO 
If they are able to get away with this, then they have some SERIOUS explaining to do...
Mosley, Hopkins Clottey, Berto: HBO Debacle Looms
By Robert Morales & Rick Reeno
The executives at HBO have created a real mess for themselves - and unfortunately in the process they created a mess for some of the fighters involved in the headline. Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer is steaming, and rightfully so, over HBO’s insistence for Mosley to move his televised date from December 26 to January 30.
Schaefer, and Mosley, had already been kind enough to move their date from December 5 to December 26. Unexpectedly, HBO found itself in a bind with rescheduling the middleweight bout between Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams. In other words, HBO needed a date and they needed it quick. Mosley accommodated the network by agreeing to move his return to December 26. As a result, HBO was able to place Pavlik-Williams on the December 5 date.
Last week, Schaefer makes a deal with Top Rank to match Mosley against Joshua Clottey. He secures the Staples Center in Los Angeles to host the event. Then, unexpectedly, HBO backs away from their agreement to provide the date of December 26. When the date was first announced, everyone was surprised because traditionally the network never carries an event that close to Christmas. But, it was HBO that promised that date. Schaefer and Mosley lived up to their end of the agreement by moving from December 5 to December 26. Shouldn’t HBO live up their end of the deal?
Mosley is obviously upset with the situation. Inactive since the win over Antonio Margarito on January 24, the last thing he wants to do is go a year without fighting.
"I'm frankly becoming pissed off at the way Shane Mosley has been treated and I’m not going to tolerate it any longer. People shouldn’t mistake my kindness for weakness. If they do, they'll get a wake up call,” Schaefer would tell BoxingScene.com.
That’s not all folks. Bernard Hopkins is also upset. HBO had previously promised the date of January 30 to Hopkins. The network wants him to move to a new date in February. That doesn’t sit well with Hopkins. HBO promised to create a special event on January 30 that centered around his 45th birthday.
If Mosley were to move to January 30, HBO would like him to fight either Clottey or WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto. But then another issue opens up - securing an opponent.
Mosley moving to January 30 could possibly send Clottey to a co-feature position on Pavlik-Williams. Berto, like Mosley, doesn’t want to wait until 2010 to fight again. He wants to return before the end of the year, preferably in a unification bout with IBF champion Isaac Hlatshwayo. By waiting until January to fight, Berto would likely get stripped of his title.
DiBella told BoxingScene that a Mosley-Berto fight on January 30 is very unlikely due to several issues at hand. If Berto were able to take a tuneup to shake off some rust and better prepare himself, then the Mosley fight is possible. HBO will not allow a tuneup to prevent the possibility of injury and/or a loss.
“He would get stripped in order to do that [to fight Mosley in January]. He would walk into that fight with eight months of inactively. We are going to explore all of our options and do what‘s best for Andre Berto. I understand Richard Schaefer’s frustration but I can’t put a 26-year-old young champion’s career on hold to wait on the dance card of a 40-year-old and 45-year-old guy to fill up,” DiBella said.
For all of the switched dates to become a reality - both Mosley and Hopkins would have to agree - or Schaefer won’t budge. Currently Schaefer is neck deep in the promotion of next Saturday’s Mayweather-Marquez pay-per-view. At the same time, he is trying to secure the best possible scenarios for his fighters, Mosley and Hopkins. Even a workhorse like Schaefer has to admit - it’s almost too much to deal with.
"The next time you see me, you’re going to see a few more gray hairs,” Schaefer said.
If they are able to get away with this, then they have some SERIOUS explaining to do...
Mosley, Hopkins Clottey, Berto: HBO Debacle Looms
By Robert Morales & Rick Reeno
The executives at HBO have created a real mess for themselves - and unfortunately in the process they created a mess for some of the fighters involved in the headline. Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer is steaming, and rightfully so, over HBO’s insistence for Mosley to move his televised date from December 26 to January 30.
Schaefer, and Mosley, had already been kind enough to move their date from December 5 to December 26. Unexpectedly, HBO found itself in a bind with rescheduling the middleweight bout between Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams. In other words, HBO needed a date and they needed it quick. Mosley accommodated the network by agreeing to move his return to December 26. As a result, HBO was able to place Pavlik-Williams on the December 5 date.
Last week, Schaefer makes a deal with Top Rank to match Mosley against Joshua Clottey. He secures the Staples Center in Los Angeles to host the event. Then, unexpectedly, HBO backs away from their agreement to provide the date of December 26. When the date was first announced, everyone was surprised because traditionally the network never carries an event that close to Christmas. But, it was HBO that promised that date. Schaefer and Mosley lived up to their end of the agreement by moving from December 5 to December 26. Shouldn’t HBO live up their end of the deal?
Mosley is obviously upset with the situation. Inactive since the win over Antonio Margarito on January 24, the last thing he wants to do is go a year without fighting.
"I'm frankly becoming pissed off at the way Shane Mosley has been treated and I’m not going to tolerate it any longer. People shouldn’t mistake my kindness for weakness. If they do, they'll get a wake up call,” Schaefer would tell BoxingScene.com.
That’s not all folks. Bernard Hopkins is also upset. HBO had previously promised the date of January 30 to Hopkins. The network wants him to move to a new date in February. That doesn’t sit well with Hopkins. HBO promised to create a special event on January 30 that centered around his 45th birthday.
If Mosley were to move to January 30, HBO would like him to fight either Clottey or WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto. But then another issue opens up - securing an opponent.
Mosley moving to January 30 could possibly send Clottey to a co-feature position on Pavlik-Williams. Berto, like Mosley, doesn’t want to wait until 2010 to fight again. He wants to return before the end of the year, preferably in a unification bout with IBF champion Isaac Hlatshwayo. By waiting until January to fight, Berto would likely get stripped of his title.
DiBella told BoxingScene that a Mosley-Berto fight on January 30 is very unlikely due to several issues at hand. If Berto were able to take a tuneup to shake off some rust and better prepare himself, then the Mosley fight is possible. HBO will not allow a tuneup to prevent the possibility of injury and/or a loss.
“He would get stripped in order to do that [to fight Mosley in January]. He would walk into that fight with eight months of inactively. We are going to explore all of our options and do what‘s best for Andre Berto. I understand Richard Schaefer’s frustration but I can’t put a 26-year-old young champion’s career on hold to wait on the dance card of a 40-year-old and 45-year-old guy to fill up,” DiBella said.
For all of the switched dates to become a reality - both Mosley and Hopkins would have to agree - or Schaefer won’t budge. Currently Schaefer is neck deep in the promotion of next Saturday’s Mayweather-Marquez pay-per-view. At the same time, he is trying to secure the best possible scenarios for his fighters, Mosley and Hopkins. Even a workhorse like Schaefer has to admit - it’s almost too much to deal with.
"The next time you see me, you’re going to see a few more gray hairs,” Schaefer said.
WTF!?!?!?
I think if he is/was scared of him, he's even more reluctant to fight him NOW more than ever...
He might've said thank you to Mosley though for that big payday with Oscar, because it was up to Shane if that fight was going to go through...He basically let Floyd fight Oscar when he could've took the fight and would've won...
True, but I'm sure he saw some of that Golden Boy profit from that fight. Shane represents a nightmare for Floyd I think and I also believe that Floyd sees it. Comparable speed to Floyd, lots of ring intelligence and more experience against better comp, bigger, stronger, and much more power, plus he's not a guy who will wilt late like a lot of Floyds opponents after 10 rounds of chasing him and missing punches. Shane is only going to get more dangerous as the fight goes on. If anybody could wear Floyd down and get to him late in the fight, it would be Shane. It would almost be like watching Floyd fight Suagr Ray Robinson if you stop and think about it - almost, I'm not saying Shane is Sugar Ray but he is a great, great fighter.
Other than Pac/Floyd, Shane and Floyd is the fight I want to see PBF in. Mosley is the only guy capable of beating Floyd at welterweight imho. If Marquez was a natural welter I'd include him too but I just think he's too small to have a REAL legitimate chance of beating Floyd like Shane does. I don't even care about Floyd fighting Cotto unless Cotto really destroys the Pacman and looks great. And I only want Floyd to fight Pac to see Pac get schooled and exposed by a BLACK fighter finally - I WILL definitely be rooting for Floyd to whup his ass when(if) they do fight. But there is a great little Mexican fighter who might have a say in all this come Saturday night(I still refuse to sleep on JMM though I sense impending doom)
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and Merce (or any NYers) I know you live in NYC...I'm trying to get back into Boxing....I've been away for a long time....any advice would be greatly appreciated....
i was thinking about Gleason's here in Brooklyn http://www.gleasonsgym.net/....I know that Gleason's is almost like what Yankee Stadium is to Baseball....
last time I went there a few yrs ago when I wanted to pick Boxing back up and they were asking $85 for the gym and I pay my trainer seperatly....
he (trainer) was asking for $250 a month....is that a resonable price?
I don't know any of the trainers there...but I know they produce good fighters....
is it worth it....?
i was thinking about Gleason's here in Brooklyn http://www.gleasonsgym.net/....I know that Gleason's is almost like what Yankee Stadium is to Baseball....
last time I went there a few yrs ago when I wanted to pick Boxing back up and they were asking $85 for the gym and I pay my trainer seperatly....
he (trainer) was asking for $250 a month....is that a resonable price?
I don't know any of the trainers there...but I know they produce good fighters....
is it worth it....?
I'm sure that the undercard for today's PPV will up the ante in action, but I still bet it won't be able to top the craziness of last night's SHOBOX. Anybody get to check those 2 fights out?
Both fights had back & forth action. Both fights ended in the 4th round. The first fight is a candidate for KO of the year. And the 2nd fight might be a candidate for comeback-round of the year!
Both fights had back & forth action. Both fights ended in the 4th round. The first fight is a candidate for KO of the year. And the 2nd fight might be a candidate for comeback-round of the year!
wow...I did not expect to see a near shutout to happen to Marquez...This is a HOF fighter we're talking about here and PBF just dusted him. At times it looked like he was fighting Carlos Baldomir all over again...
Afterwards, it seems like the buzz is that Mayweather will fight Pac next...They need to shut up with all that noise...It ain't gonna happen
Afterwards, it seems like the buzz is that Mayweather will fight Pac next...They need to shut up with all that noise...It ain't gonna happen
it was ridiculous how he abused jmm
It was impressive how he shut homie out but the size difference when they went to shake hands was like
If he doesn't fight Mosley after the "Kanye" Shane pulled on that ninja he's gonna lose fans, not that he gives a shit. Man if he could do that to Marquez, I can only imagine what would happen to Pacman....
Come to think of it, it might happen to him against Cotto.Btw, Escobedo couldn't seem to avoid brawling with Katsidis, halfway through the fight, he made a mistake by NOT brawling and still tryng to box. Yo tp2001, what you think about that Klitschko/Arreola fight?
Abused is the perfect word too. I really think he just didn't want to totally embarrass Marquez.
It was impressive how he shut homie out but the size difference when they went to shake hands was like
You know what, I saw that on some site...about Mosley pullin that "Kanye" shit...I haven't seen it yet so I hope I can catch it before Saturday.
Man if he could do that to Marquez, I can only imagine what would happen to Pacman....
That's what I keep sayin...No way Pac can touch PBF if he is at this condition...He nearly shut out Marquez and he did not want to knock him out at any point because he had too much respect for the dude. If he faces Pacquaio, you better believe he is going for the KO just to shut Arum up.
Yeah he got caught into the pace of Katsidis, and that's what lost him the fight. He should have been more aggressive so that he would force Mike to adjust to him instead of the other way around...
I think the first part of the fight is all about what shape Chris will be in. If he is around the 240-250 range he should be able to have a shot because he won't be carrying extra weight with him. Anything lower and he will get blasted by the hooks of Vitali, and if he ends up higher than that, then he'll get jabbed to death.
Vitali has the advantage either way, but if Chris comes in good shape and starts off aggressive, then he has a chance to upset Vitali.
...yeeeeeeesssssssss....
Roy Jones-Bernard Hopkins II is Signed For 2010
Posted by: Mark Vester on 09-25-2009.
t only took sixteen years to make. Both Golden Boy Promotions and Square Ring have confirmed that Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins have signed an agreement to fight each other in early 2010. Jones won a decision over Hopkins back in 1993 to capture the vacant IBF middleweight title.
Dan Rafael was advised that a 50-50 deal is in place - but if there is a knockout, then the loser receives 40% and the winner gets 60% of the pot. The fight will only happen if Jones is able to beat IBO cruiserweight champion Danny Green on December 2 in Australia.
Over the years, there were numerous negotiations to make a rematch between them. For one reason or another, the talks always fell apart.
- Finally, it will happen...I give it another eight months before it goes down. However, it is unknown if Hopkins will also fight in December (most likely 12/9) to get in fight shape.
Roy Jones-Bernard Hopkins II is Signed For 2010
Posted by: Mark Vester on 09-25-2009.
t only took sixteen years to make. Both Golden Boy Promotions and Square Ring have confirmed that Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins have signed an agreement to fight each other in early 2010. Jones won a decision over Hopkins back in 1993 to capture the vacant IBF middleweight title.
Dan Rafael was advised that a 50-50 deal is in place - but if there is a knockout, then the loser receives 40% and the winner gets 60% of the pot. The fight will only happen if Jones is able to beat IBO cruiserweight champion Danny Green on December 2 in Australia.
Over the years, there were numerous negotiations to make a rematch between them. For one reason or another, the talks always fell apart.
- Finally, it will happen...I give it another eight months before it goes down. However, it is unknown if Hopkins will also fight in December (most likely 12/9) to get in fight shape.
Pavlik Vs. Paul Williams is also on....
PBF Vs. JMM had a million PPV buys
and they say the sport is dead/dying....
I'm really look forward to the Super middlewieght Tourney...
its a great being a boxing fan right now....
and I hope PBF fights the winner of Pacman Vs Cotto...I rather not see Mosley fight him.....
PBF Vs. JMM had a million PPV buys
and they say the sport is dead/dying....
I'm really look forward to the Super middlewieght Tourney...
its a great being a boxing fan right now....
and I hope PBF fights the winner of Pacman Vs Cotto...I rather not see Mosley fight him.....
@ Malignaggi...Malignaggi Vicious, Attacks Diaz Over Rematch Tumble
By Rick Reeno
BoxingScene.com was advised that a rematch between former champions Paulie Malignaggi and Juan Diaz is now a dead issue. Diaz, and his manager Willie Savannah, were unhappy with the presented terms and turned down the fight. The two main issues were the money and the weight. From what I was able to find out, Diaz was going to make a little less than what he had earned for the August fight with Malignaggi. He wanted to make more. The problem with making more money is the date of the event. The fight falls at the end of the year and there is only so much money left in HBO's budget. They were not happy about the proposed weight of 140-pounds. They wanted the fight to take place at 138.5; the same catch-weight as the August bout.
Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer and Lou DiBella was close to placing the fight at the UIC Pavilion in Chicago on December 12. The fight was going to be an HBO televised main event. Junior welterweight Victor Ortiz was going to be the co-feature. Diaz will not see action on the December card. He was offered Malignaggi with no other alternatives. Ortiz will probably still return on the December date. Super featherweight champion Robert Guerrero, who was originally going to fight on that particular HBO date, could return to the card.
HBO tried their best to make the rematch happen. They offered $750,000 for the fight. Diaz won a controversial twelve round decision over Malignaggi in the first fight, which took place in Diaz's hometown of Houston, Texas. The majority of the television audience had viewed Malignaggi as the winner. The scoring of the fight was a hot topic. Fans were upset, resulting in a growing demand for a rematch.
When reached for a comment, Savannah didn't sugar coat his response. He said the money, and the weight, were the cause for the rematch falling through. Savannah confirmed that his fighter will not see action in December and because there were no alternatives offered, Diaz's next fight is in limbo for the moment. Under the circumstances, he is unlikely to return before 2010.
"We just didn't agree on the purse and I think it would have been a problem as far as the weight is concerned too," Savannah said.
Malignaggi contacted BoxingScene in a fury. Overcome with emotion, Malignaggi held nothing back when discussing the entire situation.
"We tried everything we could to make the rematch. They f*cked me the first time and they tried to f*ck me the second time. They tried everything in their power not to make it happen. They never wanted the rematch. Every time we solved one problem, they came back with another problem. F*ck Willie Savannah. .F*ck Juan Diaz. They could suck my d*ck. They are going to sit on the f*cking shelf. Nobody gives a f*ck about watching Juan Diaz fight. Fighters get punched in the face for a living. Well this kid really gets punched in the face for a living. Nate Campbell beat the sh*t out of him. Marquez beat the sh*t out of him and then I beat the sh*t out of him," Malignaggi said.
"He can't look in the mirror and tell himself that he beat Paulie Malignaggi. Nobody thinks he beat me. Nobody. I'm sick and tired of all the bullsh*t that I have to deal with in boxing. He never had any intention of making the rematch. They tried everything to make it a f*cking mismatch in the first fight and tried everything to win - and they still had to rob me. F*ck them. We'll see how far he goes. He makes exciting fights but he gets his ass beat. At some point you have to win. They put us in the ring on equal terms and I will beat the f*cking brakes off of this kid. If he was a man, he would tell his manager to make this fight. He will still get his ass beat but at least he can collect one last payday and then he can go become a lawyer or whatever the f*ck he wants to do."
Malignaggi told Ross Greenburg, president of HBO Sports, to match him against any of the top fighters at [or around] junior welterweight, including Juan Manuel Marquez.
"I have faith in Ross Greenburg and HBO. The fans are being denied this rematch because of Juan Diaz and Willie Savannah's petty games. I have faith in Ross to come up with something for me. I told him to put me in a fight against anyone. I know Marquez wants to come back against a name, I'll fight him. I have a lot of faith in HBO to do the right thing with me," Malignaggi said.