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After a decade of teaching Chappelle’s comedy to college students, a professor comes to terms with the fading relevance of the one-time GOAT.
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I Was a Black Trans Leader At Netflix. Then I Was Fired.
B. Pagels-Minor, the pregnant former employee accused of “leaking” Netflix metrics, on the unrest that led to Wednesday’s walkout.
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I Was a Black Trans Leader at Netflix. Then I Was Fired.
B. Pagels-Minor recalls the unrest that forced an employee walkout.
As told to Zoe Haylock@zoe_alliyah
Trans employees and allies at Netflix organized a walkout on October 20. Photo: Frederic J. Brown/AFP via Getty Images
After the premiere of Dave Chappelle’s sixth Netflix comedy special, The Closer, a worldwide audience joined a conservation about transphobia that had begun internally at Netflix two years earlier. Around the release of Chappelle’s 2019 special, Sticks & Stones, disappointed employees began expressing their frustration at the company for promoting a special littered with crude remarks about gender-affirming pronouns and genitalia. Two years later, The Closer outright defended transphobia. Members of the trans- and Black-employee-resource groups at Netflix considered the content to be harmful to trans people and suggested adding a content warning not unlike the one used for 13 Reasons Why in 2019. A content warning has yet to be added. This week, employees released a list of demands asking Netflix to “adopt measures in the areas of content investment, employee relations and safety, and harm reduction, all of which are necessary to avoid future instances of platforming transphobia and hate speech.”
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Over the course of ten days in October, emails from Netflix chief executive Ted Sarandos saying the special “doesn’t directly translate to real-world harm” were leaked to the news. Three employees including software engineer Terra Field, who spoke out about the special on Twitter, were suspended for joining without explicit invitation a conference call attended by leaders of the company, though they were later reinstated. B. Pagels-Minor, formerly a program manager at Netflix, was terminated last week for allegedly leaking company metrics about the special’s cost and reach. Pagels-Minor, a Black trans nonbinary person whose pronouns are they/them, was a co-leader of the Trans* at Netflix and Black@ Netflix employee-resource groups that led the discussions. Within hours of announcing plans for an employee walkout to address Netflix’s continued support of Chappelle, they say they were fired. “We don’t suspend people at Netflix. We don’t have this inquisition-type stuff at Netflix,” Pagels-Minor told Vulture over the phone Tuesday. “This is just not stuff that happens here.”
In a statement to Vulture, a Netflix spokesperson said: “These claims are not supported by the facts. This employee admitted sharing confidential information externally from their Netflix email on several occasions. Also, they were the only employee to access detailed, sensitive data on four titles that later appeared in the press. They claim only to have shared this information in an internal document, and that another employee must have leaked it. However, that document was missing data for one title and so cannot have been the source for the leak. In addition to having no explanation for this discrepancy, the employee then wiped their devices, making any further investigation impossible.” Pagels-Minor denies being the source of the leak. According to their lawyer, Laurie Burgess, Pagels-Minor had informed the vice president of human resources they planned to delete their computer and phone, which held personal data, and was unaware Netflix opened an investigation until the devices were confiscated.
Below, B. Pagels-Minor recalls the recent unrest at Netflix in their own words. “We’re not asking you to take down the content,” Pagels-Minor said of Netflix. “We’re asking you to potentially put a trigger warning on that content but also to look into investing time and money in creating content that shows the other side of the story.”
The problem is not necessarily about the special. It’s about this ongoing conversation that felt false. There’s gonna be content that people disagree with. There’s no question about that. But how do you create parity in content? How do you create another story, another documentary, another show, another film that combats the story that Dave Chappelle is putting forward. Why aren’t you investing in that?
First and foremost, I am the person who was fired. Before I left Netflix, my actual title was game-launch operations program manager. And I was the co-lead of Black@ Netflix and Trans* at Netflix. Not only that, I was the face of Netflix for several external campaigns to help with recruitment. The internal comms team that deals with PR would come to me and say, “We’re thinking about doing something. Would you be interested in representing?” I’ve been in tech since 2010. I’ve been in a lot of toxic tech companies. Honestly, Netflix was like my Shangri-la. I was like, Oh my gosh, they’re so nice to me. They don’t misgender me. At Netflix, the first thing I did when my old manager reached out to me is ask, “Can I talk to some trans people and some Black people so I could figure out if I could trust you or not?” And the first thing he did was introduce me to trans people and Black people. I chose Netflix because it was going to be the place that I was not going to have to worry about any of this.
Honestly, Netflix was like my Shangri-la. I was like, Oh my gosh, they’re so nice to me. They don’t misgender me.
I am 33 weeks pregnant. I am a high-risk pregnancy. Before October 5, I was just like, I’m working on gaming. My last day in office is November 12. Let me kick ass and take names and do everything possible to make sure my team is situated so they can be super successful while I’m out. Then October 6 happened, and everything blew up. I have never in my experience as a human seen the emotionality, the outpouring of concern. It got worse and worse because the Ted emails felt so weird from the culture. I read that email, and it felt so anti-Netflix. I am angry. I am upset. I am horrified that that was written.
The thing about Netflix is that it does have this open and transparent communication. For instance, with Terra’s suspension: If she got a link to go to the meeting, why wouldn’t she attend the meeting? We found out later that not only did she get the link for the meeting, she got it from a director who was invited to the meeting. So why would she not logically assume that she could attend that meeting? I noticed all of a sudden, documents were getting closed down. I personally was really freaked out because I was this vocal person for all of this stuff. I was specifically posting my comments in a public-facing transgender channel that had over a thousand people in it, saying, “Hey, here’s the next steps. Now this is what’s happening. This is what our thoughts are,” and all these other things. And minutes after I would post them, people were releasing them to the news.
Over a week later, I posted earlier in the day that we had decided that this was going to be a walkout. Then I got a message from my manager saying that she wanted to check in with me. I joined the call and she said, “Oh, by the way, this is actually super-serious.” HR and legal got on the call and they were just like, “Hey, B., so we noticed that you accessed all this data. It seems like this data is the same stuff that’s in the Bloomberg article.” I explained to them that I had pulled all this data. It was a part of the argument for diversifying content on the network. It’s a better value-add than necessarily investing so much money into some of these specials. There’s pieces of content that Netflix currently has that are far cheaper than some other pieces of content and do much better when it comes to engaging the audience. The question became to me, How can we say very clearly, you can make 25 or 100 specials of LGBTQ+-comedy people for the same price as one Chappelle special?
My child may grow up to be trans, may grow up to be cis, and I would not want them to look at their parent and go, “Hey, B., you never did anything to effect change.”
I created publicly viewable Google documents and things that people could use, and I shared this information broadly. Ultimately they think that I facilitated the leak by creating these folders of information. I explained to them what happened, and they were like, “We actually kind of believe that you aren’t the one who actually facilitated this. Give us 30 minutes to go back and figure out if we can actually move forward with you or not.” And they came back and they’re like, “Unfortunately, no matter what, it still looks like you’re the person who helped facilitate this because if you hadn’t looked up this information, created these documents, then they wouldn’t have gotten leaked.” I was like, “I’m really sorry this is the outcome.” It was very pleasant. They were like, “Tomorrow, we’ll come pick up your devices, and let’s talk about what you need.”
Then, the very next day, all of a sudden, there’s an investigator at my house picking up the stuff. And then they put out this press release saying that they had fired someone for leaking information. I was like, This is not at all the energy y’all came with last night. I don’t want to participate in this. I’m 33 weeks pregnant; I do not want this stress. However, they’ve only made it worse. Now I feel like I have to talk to the press in order to defend myself and hopefully come to an amicable resolution over all of this. My child may grow up to be trans, may grow up to be cis, and I would not want them to look at their parent and go, “Hey, B., you never did anything to effect change.”
I really want to see Netflix have some movement on the demands from the Trans* employee-resource group. I think that everything that has been asked for will actually make the company better and prepare the company for attitudes and how gender is changing over time. This is just a logical investment to make to be successful long term. The second part of it is that I just want a reasonable solution for myself from a severance perspective. If we do that, then we’re all good. If Ted decides to go through it and support these particular asks, I would go up on stage and shake his hand
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Dave Chappelle the Comedy Relic
After a decade of teaching Chappelle’s comedy to college students, a professor comes to terms with the fading relevance of the one-time GOAT.
They share a disturbing quality with organized religion: they absolutely, in all cases, insist that you agree
with their delusions.
I Was a Black Trans Leader At Netflix. Then I Was Fired.
B. Pagels-Minor, the pregnant former employee accused of “leaking” Netflix metrics, on the unrest that led to Wednesday’s walkout.
I Was a Black Trans Leader at Netflix. Then I Was Fired.
B. Pagels-Minor recalls the unrest that forced an employee walkout.
As told to Zoe Haylock@zoe_alliyah
Trans employees and allies at Netflix organized a walkout on October 20. Photo: Frederic J. Brown/AFP via Getty Images
After the premiere of Dave Chappelle’s sixth Netflix comedy special, The Closer, a worldwide audience joined a conservation about transphobia that had begun internally at Netflix two years earlier. Around the release of Chappelle’s 2019 special, Sticks & Stones, disappointed employees began expressing their frustration at the company for promoting a special littered with crude remarks about gender-affirming pronouns and genitalia. Two years later, The Closer outright defended transphobia. Members of the trans- and Black-employee-resource groups at Netflix considered the content to be harmful to trans people and suggested adding a content warning not unlike the one used for 13 Reasons Why in 2019. A content warning has yet to be added. This week, employees released a list of demands asking Netflix to “adopt measures in the areas of content investment, employee relations and safety, and harm reduction, all of which are necessary to avoid future instances of platforming transphobia and hate speech.”
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Over the course of ten days in October, emails from Netflix chief executive Ted Sarandos saying the special “doesn’t directly translate to real-world harm” were leaked to the news. Three employees including software engineer Terra Field, who spoke out about the special on Twitter, were suspended for joining without explicit invitation a conference call attended by leaders of the company, though they were later reinstated. B. Pagels-Minor, formerly a program manager at Netflix, was terminated last week for allegedly leaking company metrics about the special’s cost and reach. Pagels-Minor, a Black trans nonbinary person whose pronouns are they/them, was a co-leader of the Trans* at Netflix and Black@ Netflix employee-resource groups that led the discussions. Within hours of announcing plans for an employee walkout to address Netflix’s continued support of Chappelle, they say they were fired. “We don’t suspend people at Netflix. We don’t have this inquisition-type stuff at Netflix,” Pagels-Minor told Vulture over the phone Tuesday. “This is just not stuff that happens here.”
In a statement to Vulture, a Netflix spokesperson said: “These claims are not supported by the facts. This employee admitted sharing confidential information externally from their Netflix email on several occasions. Also, they were the only employee to access detailed, sensitive data on four titles that later appeared in the press. They claim only to have shared this information in an internal document, and that another employee must have leaked it. However, that document was missing data for one title and so cannot have been the source for the leak. In addition to having no explanation for this discrepancy, the employee then wiped their devices, making any further investigation impossible.” Pagels-Minor denies being the source of the leak. According to their lawyer, Laurie Burgess, Pagels-Minor had informed the vice president of human resources they planned to delete their computer and phone, which held personal data, and was unaware Netflix opened an investigation until the devices were confiscated.
Below, B. Pagels-Minor recalls the recent unrest at Netflix in their own words. “We’re not asking you to take down the content,” Pagels-Minor said of Netflix. “We’re asking you to potentially put a trigger warning on that content but also to look into investing time and money in creating content that shows the other side of the story.”
The problem is not necessarily about the special. It’s about this ongoing conversation that felt false. There’s gonna be content that people disagree with. There’s no question about that. But how do you create parity in content? How do you create another story, another documentary, another show, another film that combats the story that Dave Chappelle is putting forward. Why aren’t you investing in that?
First and foremost, I am the person who was fired. Before I left Netflix, my actual title was game-launch operations program manager. And I was the co-lead of Black@ Netflix and Trans* at Netflix. Not only that, I was the face of Netflix for several external campaigns to help with recruitment. The internal comms team that deals with PR would come to me and say, “We’re thinking about doing something. Would you be interested in representing?” I’ve been in tech since 2010. I’ve been in a lot of toxic tech companies. Honestly, Netflix was like my Shangri-la. I was like, Oh my gosh, they’re so nice to me. They don’t misgender me. At Netflix, the first thing I did when my old manager reached out to me is ask, “Can I talk to some trans people and some Black people so I could figure out if I could trust you or not?” And the first thing he did was introduce me to trans people and Black people. I chose Netflix because it was going to be the place that I was not going to have to worry about any of this.
Honestly, Netflix was like my Shangri-la. I was like, Oh my gosh, they’re so nice to me. They don’t misgender me.
I am 33 weeks pregnant. I am a high-risk pregnancy. Before October 5, I was just like, I’m working on gaming. My last day in office is November 12. Let me kick ass and take names and do everything possible to make sure my team is situated so they can be super successful while I’m out. Then October 6 happened, and everything blew up. I have never in my experience as a human seen the emotionality, the outpouring of concern. It got worse and worse because the Ted emails felt so weird from the culture. I read that email, and it felt so anti-Netflix. I am angry. I am upset. I am horrified that that was written.
The thing about Netflix is that it does have this open and transparent communication. For instance, with Terra’s suspension: If she got a link to go to the meeting, why wouldn’t she attend the meeting? We found out later that not only did she get the link for the meeting, she got it from a director who was invited to the meeting. So why would she not logically assume that she could attend that meeting? I noticed all of a sudden, documents were getting closed down. I personally was really freaked out because I was this vocal person for all of this stuff. I was specifically posting my comments in a public-facing transgender channel that had over a thousand people in it, saying, “Hey, here’s the next steps. Now this is what’s happening. This is what our thoughts are,” and all these other things. And minutes after I would post them, people were releasing them to the news.
Over a week later, I posted earlier in the day that we had decided that this was going to be a walkout. Then I got a message from my manager saying that she wanted to check in with me. I joined the call and she said, “Oh, by the way, this is actually super-serious.” HR and legal got on the call and they were just like, “Hey, B., so we noticed that you accessed all this data. It seems like this data is the same stuff that’s in the Bloomberg article.” I explained to them that I had pulled all this data. It was a part of the argument for diversifying content on the network. It’s a better value-add than necessarily investing so much money into some of these specials. There’s pieces of content that Netflix currently has that are far cheaper than some other pieces of content and do much better when it comes to engaging the audience. The question became to me, How can we say very clearly, you can make 25 or 100 specials of LGBTQ+-comedy people for the same price as one Chappelle special?
My child may grow up to be trans, may grow up to be cis, and I would not want them to look at their parent and go, “Hey, B., you never did anything to effect change.”
I created publicly viewable Google documents and things that people could use, and I shared this information broadly. Ultimately they think that I facilitated the leak by creating these folders of information. I explained to them what happened, and they were like, “We actually kind of believe that you aren’t the one who actually facilitated this. Give us 30 minutes to go back and figure out if we can actually move forward with you or not.” And they came back and they’re like, “Unfortunately, no matter what, it still looks like you’re the person who helped facilitate this because if you hadn’t looked up this information, created these documents, then they wouldn’t have gotten leaked.” I was like, “I’m really sorry this is the outcome.” It was very pleasant. They were like, “Tomorrow, we’ll come pick up your devices, and let’s talk about what you need.”
Then, the very next day, all of a sudden, there’s an investigator at my house picking up the stuff. And then they put out this press release saying that they had fired someone for leaking information. I was like, This is not at all the energy y’all came with last night. I don’t want to participate in this. I’m 33 weeks pregnant; I do not want this stress. However, they’ve only made it worse. Now I feel like I have to talk to the press in order to defend myself and hopefully come to an amicable resolution over all of this. My child may grow up to be trans, may grow up to be cis, and I would not want them to look at their parent and go, “Hey, B., you never did anything to effect change.”
I really want to see Netflix have some movement on the demands from the Trans* employee-resource group. I think that everything that has been asked for will actually make the company better and prepare the company for attitudes and how gender is changing over time. This is just a logical investment to make to be successful long term. The second part of it is that I just want a reasonable solution for myself from a severance perspective. If we do that, then we’re all good. If Ted decides to go through it and support these particular asks, I would go up on stage and shake his hand
Dave Chappelle Willing to Discuss ‘The Closer’ With Trans Community, but Says He’s ‘Not Bending to Anybody’s Demands’
Dave Chappelle has spoken out about the controversy over his Netflix special "The Closer" in a new standup video.
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Dave Chappelle Says He Won’t Be “Bending To Anyone’s Demands” Over ‘Closer’ Controversy; Praises Ted Sarandos, Mocks Hannah Gadsby
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After nearly three weeks of controversy, Netflix’s firing and suspensions of trans staff, and protests on the streets of Hollywood over remarks centered on the trans and LGBTQ+ communities by Dave Chappelle in his special The Closer, the comedian is finally responding significantly — and it’s a mixed bag, to put it mildly.
“To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me,” the Mark Twain Prize winner says in the just over five-minute posting Monday on Instagram. “I am not bending to anyone’s demands,” he added to cheers from the seemingly packed arena Chappelle is filmed in.
“And if you want to meet with me, I am more than willing to, but I have some conditions,” the currently touring Chappelle says onstage, saying he has not actually been invited to speak with “transgender employees of Netflix.” He says over laughter: “First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing at a time of my choosing, and thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.”
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The last remark is a swipe at the Nannette star Gadsby, who on October 15 slammed Chappelle’s perceived transphobic obsession and the reaction Netflix and co-CEO Ted Sarandos initially had to the hurt and backlash expressed by the company’s trans staffers and others. “You didn’t pay me nearly enough to deal with the real world consequences of the hate speech dog whistling you refuse to acknowledge, Ted,” wrote Gadsby on social media last week. “F**k you and your amoral algorithm cult…”
In the video posted today, Chappelle also laments how the reaction to The Closer has affected his Untitled documentary with film festivals and studios. “Thank God for Ted Sarandos and Netflix, he’s the only one that didn’t cancel me yet,” Chappelle says.
Leaning into the bottom line, Sarandos initially defended Chappelle and the special against claims of transphobia, saying it did not “cross the line” on hate speech even as trans staffers, past and present, and organizations such as GLAAD and National Black Justice Coalition condemned the comedian’s comments.
As Netflix went hard after leakers, including firing one who allegedly shared financial data related to Chappelle with the media, Sarandos changed his tone last week — though not his bottom line.
“I screwed up the internal communication — and I don’t mean just mechanically,” the exec said in a series of calibrated media appearances as a October 20 walkout by Netflix trans staffers and others loomed. “I feel I should’ve made sure to recognize that a group of our employees was hurting very badly from the decision made, and I should’ve recognized upfront before going into a rationalization of anything the pain they were going through. I say that because I respect them deeply, and I love the contribution they have at Netflix. They were hurting, and I should’ve recognized that first.”
“Am I canceled or not? Then let’s go!” Chappelle yells at the end of today’s video, dropping the mic as a graphic comes up listing his upcoming tour dates in what is at leas partially an exercise in free advertising.
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After nearly three weeks of controversy, Netflix’s firing and suspensions of trans staff, and protests on the streets of Hollywood over remarks centered on the trans and LGBTQ+ communities by Dave Chappelle in his special The Closer, the comedian is finally responding significantly — and it’s a mixed bag, to put it mildly.
“To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me,” the Mark Twain Prize winner says in the just over five-minute posting Monday on Instagram. “I am not bending to anyone’s demands,” he added to cheers from the seemingly packed arena Chappelle is filmed in.
“And if you want to meet with me, I am more than willing to, but I have some conditions,” the currently touring Chappelle says onstage, saying he has not actually been invited to speak with “transgender employees of Netflix.” He says over laughter: “First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing at a time of my choosing, and thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.”
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Netflix Urged To Remove Dave Chappelle Imagery From Offices Amid 'List Of Asks' At Hollywood Walkout; Fired Staffer Denies Leaking Info
Watch the full video below:
The last remark is a swipe at the Nannette star Gadsby, who on October 15 slammed Chappelle’s perceived transphobic obsession and the reaction Netflix and co-CEO Ted Sarandos initially had to the hurt and backlash expressed by the company’s trans staffers and others. “You didn’t pay me nearly enough to deal with the real world consequences of the hate speech dog whistling you refuse to acknowledge, Ted,” wrote Gadsby on social media last week. “F**k you and your amoral algorithm cult…”
In the video posted today, Chappelle also laments how the reaction to The Closer has affected his Untitled documentary with film festivals and studios. “Thank God for Ted Sarandos and Netflix, he’s the only one that didn’t cancel me yet,” Chappelle says.
Leaning into the bottom line, Sarandos initially defended Chappelle and the special against claims of transphobia, saying it did not “cross the line” on hate speech even as trans staffers, past and present, and organizations such as GLAAD and National Black Justice Coalition condemned the comedian’s comments.
As Netflix went hard after leakers, including firing one who allegedly shared financial data related to Chappelle with the media, Sarandos changed his tone last week — though not his bottom line.
“I screwed up the internal communication — and I don’t mean just mechanically,” the exec said in a series of calibrated media appearances as a October 20 walkout by Netflix trans staffers and others loomed. “I feel I should’ve made sure to recognize that a group of our employees was hurting very badly from the decision made, and I should’ve recognized upfront before going into a rationalization of anything the pain they were going through. I say that because I respect them deeply, and I love the contribution they have at Netflix. They were hurting, and I should’ve recognized that first.”
“Am I canceled or not? Then let’s go!” Chappelle yells at the end of today’s video, dropping the mic as a graphic comes up listing his upcoming tour dates in what is at leas partially an exercise in free advertising.
I laughed out loud when he said Gadsby wasn’t funny!
I heard of her but never heard a joke
what I have heard?
not so funny
I am actually gonna see what she got and watch her special
update: nah I'm good.
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Hannah Gadsby calls Louis C.K. 'angry and bitter'
The comedian who skyrocketed to international acclaim after her Netflix debut, 'Nanette,' slammed Louis C.K. as "angry and bitter" in a recent interview.
Hannah Gadsby calls Louis C.K. 'angry and bitter'
The comedian who skyrocketed to international acclaim after her Netflix debut, 'Nanette,' slammed Louis C.K. as "angry and bitter" in a recent interview.ew.com
wow...
ummm
that was
interesting?
this wasn't comedy
I do not know what she is exactly on stage doing
its personal and painful and powerful and honest
but that is not stand up comedy
that isn't even storytelling
I don't know what that is and I aint qualified to critique it
but I don't think that is stand up comedy.
And if she hates men?
Based on her story I completely understand
but apparently she talking to straight white men so uh
good luck with that.
I'm trying to understand - okay, well I tried for 5 minutes - what trans people are so upset about. I didn't feel he was disrespectful to trans people at any time. It's Dave Chappelle. You know his comedy is going to be raw. That's like going to a boxing match and being surprised and offended because they punched each other.
I'm trying to understand - okay, well I tried for 5 minutes - what trans people are so upset about. I didn't feel he was disrespectful to trans people at any time. It's Dave Chappelle. You know his comedy is going to be raw. That's like going to a boxing match and being surprised and offended because they punched each other.
We’re not trans so we don’t know what was disrespectful. We honestly don’t even know exactly what they were mad at?
I'm trying to understand - okay, well I tried for 5 minutes - what trans people are so upset about. I didn't feel he was disrespectful to trans people at any time. It's Dave Chappelle. You know his comedy is going to be raw. That's like going to a boxing match and being surprised and offended because they punched each other.
We’re not trans so we don’t know what was disrespectful. We honestly don’t even know exactly what they were mad at?
they seem to be mad that how he continues to even mention them
and that impossible pussy line hurt a WHOLE LOT of feelings.
cause they HATE JK rowlings
there are a whole lot of slick jokes the audience there and many of the home audience missed that I could see would hit hard
but
I feel like constantly yelling space jews and how killing a black man in Walmart is met with a yawn?
is EQUALLY problematic.
but did not bother them at all.
so if the attitude is
We ONLY care about jokes about OUR COMMUNITY?
where you at Akwafina?
Well then so should we.
This is a great breakdown.
I understand your point and agree to portions of it.
It sounds f*cked up, but this respect sh!t gotta go in order.
Black women are at the bottom of the caste system in this country when in comes to bodily protection and opportunities for the ability to be self sufficient. Until they walk freely anywhere without harm or have complete autonomy over their bodies or the medical system believes them when they are in pain, f*ck everybody else.
Every other woman, gotta wait their turn, especially white women. You got a whole social system on your side. Deal with the Louie CK shit. Another white man can foster your dreams.
And gays and trans have every right to be offended, but it’s faux offense. There is somebody Black that represents each letter in that community and you never hear not one muthaf*ckin peep of solidarity when they get fucked with. Where is the offense then?
And…some of that is our fault because those of us that are Black and gay want to identify as a letter first, but still.
So, for me, Dave is different because he was the subject and the creator and controlled his own destiny.
They can do the same.
How Black men are treated in this country is for a whole nother thread.
In context, IMHO, it’s like LeBron with the first Cavs team he took to The Finals.
It looked organized because you had 5 people on their team just like everyone else, they beat the teams necessary to get there and they were all in the system of the NBA.
You remove LeBron from that system, it’s a team you never heard of that gets no respect.
It’s the same for their community. You remove white males, Gay or Trans, whole movement falls.
Power structure is the same as the whole of society. It’s just a microcosm.
Disable the white male and you disable America.
Not…even…a little bit.
I wonder..
do trans folk find THIS offensive?
I can tell you this, when the show aired, I did not hear a peep from the community at large.
Absolutely. They represent the parent power structure.
And guess what, we don’t have to.We’re not trans so we don’t know what was disrespectful. We honestly don’t even know exactly what they were mad at?
They don’t know what they are mad at either.
They just feel some type of way.
If the situation was changed and it was a white comedian telling jokes about Black people that we didn’t like.
We’d be able to explain exactly what we didn’t like about the jokes.
Also, white people wouldn’t be able to tell us what we can and can’t be mad about.
She was getting mostly sympathy laughs from the audience.
Some of her fans really thinks Netflix should cut her as a big a check as Dave?
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G handled it way better than I would have. Never saw this clip.
Stop equating that bullshit to being black. I can’t stand when people do that shit. Wanting to fuck another dude does not equate to being born as the original man. No wonder bullshit white people try to tell us. A dude thinking he’s a woman inside or vice versa has nothing to do with being born as the original man. They are just delusional and maybe crazy. I don’t give a fuck about what they do nor do I care, just keep that shit away from me. This board is getting ridiculous with all these gay sympathizers
I understand why you’re upset, but myself and my post isn’t the reason for your anger.
I didn’t equate them to being Black. I’m talking about jokes and those taking offense to jokes. It could be any person or group.
I’m also speaking about being able to explain why a jokes makes one mad and how if we’re not of that group, then others can’t tell a person how to feel about a joke.
But you missed the point to everything that I just typed and in my original post, because you were too focused on trannies.