{~}Official 2023/2024 NBA Thread - 2024 Summer League, USA Hoops

[spider705]

So that "LeBron has no bag" statement is true... but that can be said about most nba players INCLUDING Jordan in my opinion.

When I think of a player having a "bag," certain players come to mind instantly... Kyrie... Paul George... KD... Kobe... Steph... Olajuwon... young Ray Allen... AI... J Crossover... Abdul-Rauf... Grant Hill... CP3...

to me, a bag is essentially having a handle to break down your offender to the point they look silly and the ability to finish the move... a lot of nba players have one or the other... a good handle but an inability to finish, or no handle but can finish around the rim or anywhere else with consistency.

Of the big 3 (Jordan, LeBron, Kobe) I feel like only Kobe had a bag. You hear people talk about him and the one thing they all mention is FOOTWORK and how solid Kobe was... there are some that say he was more gifted than Jordan on that aspect of his game and use that as a deciding factor when discussing the GOAT.

Just as people say LeBron has no bag, Jordan went away from his and broke down his game to the basics... 2 dribble, stop, pull up and lace it... or his fadeaway from the post... young Jordan had a bag and would constantly break his defender down then finish at the rim with authority, but he later adjusted his game to best benefit what Phil wanted to execute because it was WINNING basketball and left his bag behind in favor of winning championships...

So to me, if you're looking at it objectively, LeBron really doesn't have a bag... those years in Miami, what i consider to be the best version of LeBron in his entire career, he was going to the rim and putting you in that mufucca... his mindset seemed to be "I'm not settling for jump shots" and at 6'8, 260lbs that's a SCARY thought.

So I can agree that LeBron doesn't have a bag but neither did a lot of the greats... and that doesn't take away from their greatness...

Just my 2 cents

 

[Mask]

@KingTaharqa

What’s that name you called dude…


That shit will fiya on this

 

[KingTaharqa]

"Bag" discourse is for Mike, Kobe, and Kyrie fans. How pretty you look shooting shots. GUARDS. Efficiency and production are more a LeBron fan thing. LeBron shooting over 50% and averaging 25+ for 20+ seasons and scoring 40,000 points is more impressive than the fancy footwork and flashy moves of players who scored less and shot a worse percentage. Being the all time scoring king with the most 20 point games and closing in on the the most 30 point games in NBA history and not being considered a great scorer is a compliment to LeBron's brand because that's not all he does. Also LeBron's bball IQ is grossly underrated on this board (because it's majority white). I see folks praise his physical gifts, but his bball IQ is why he is GOAT. There are other physically gifted players that don't play the game the way he does because they can't read defenses or control the tempo of the game.

 

[KingTaharqa]

@KingTaharqa

What’s that name you called dude…


That shit will fiya on this

That was 10 years ago when he was just King. He's the GOAT now fam. They need to put Greatest Of All Time on that shit.

 

[therealjondoe]

@therealjondoe didn't post any Wemby highlights last night.

I posted him getting blocked

 

[therealjondoe]

 

[KingTaharqa]

I posted him getting blocked

I didn't see it. It's gone be interesting to see if you Jordan fans will view Wemby in a nuanced way. You guys have a tendency to tell half the story and show the guys you like ONLY when they win to present a false narrative (while doing the opposite for the GOAT). Wemby is a rookie and will go thru growing pains, it'd be nice to view that realistically instead of pretending they don't happen.

 

[HotNixon36]

"Bag" discourse is for Mike, Kobe, and Kyrie fans. How pretty you look shooting shots. GUARDS. Efficiency and production are more a LeBron fan thing. LeBron shooting over 50% and averaging 25+ for 20+ seasons and scoring 40,000 points is more impressive than the fancy footwork and flashy moves of players who scored less and shot a worse percentage. Being the all time scoring king with the most 20 point games and closing in on the the most 30 point games in NBA history and not being considered a great scorer is a compliment to LeBron's brand because that's not all he does. Also LeBron's bball IQ is grossly underrated on this board (because it's majority white). I see folks praise his physical gifts, but his bball IQ is why he is GOAT. There are other physically gifted players that don't play the game the way he does because they can't read defenses or control the tempo of the game.

Losers respect losers, Lebronda flex is loser flex.

He loses, no First Team all defense in 10 years, no League MVP in 10 years.

Jokic passed him in triple doubles in 800 less ganes.

He ain't the best at shit, just loses, and puts up pedestrian numbers every night.

He ain't putting up "MVP" numbers or league leading stats each year.

Losers respect losers abd runner up niggas.

When Lebronze gonna do something of significance outside the bubble?

He is 3.5-6 in the Finals, looooooooooser bball IQ, and no killer instincr.

Nobody fears Lebron, he has never dominated.

I hope he keeps playing so he can keep embarrasing himself, we need a good laugh every night.

 

[KingTaharqa]

 

[therealjondoe]

Tell lebron IPTV is the way

 

[spider705]

That damn @HotNixon36 letting y'all know how he REALLY feel about Bron...

 

[Amajorfucup]

Lebron's offensive game is\was based on size, power and speed.

The same with Giannis.

His game is/was based on having genius level basketball IQ, being the best floor general since Magic, never having a great coach, and being the best all around basketball player we've seen in any of our lifetimes.

Relegating him to a Yannis style power player is a comically bad sports take.

 

[Amajorfucup]

That damn @HotNixon36 letting y'all know how he REALLY feel about Bron...

Hes letting us know hes a hate filled whyte man and/or a slightly retarded Tobe Bean stan.

 

[Costanza]

All this talk about Bagless Bron is boring.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Hes letting us know hes a hate filled whyte man and/or a slightly retarded Tobe Bean stan.

*Board character

Spider, a Kobe/Jordan player Stan is the only one entertained by his rants.

 

[KingTaharqa]

All this talk about Bagless Bron is boring.

Let's talk about 7'4 Wemby blocking a shot in the 2nd quarter of a game vs. OKC instead. That'll be exciting.

Bron is still the biggest draw to the sport and gets this thread it's most engagement. And seeing their team beat the GOAT's still gets NBA fans the most excited. What else we gon talk about?

 

[HotNixon36]

That damn @HotNixon36 letting y'all know how he REALLY feel about Bron...

Since 2013, this overrated nigga has only 1 assist title, a Finals MVP, and a Mickey Mouse, bubble wrapped Finals MVP. No other awards or accolades.

Its 2023, almost 2024.

Only non- basketball players, Lebronsexuals/LBJTQ, and sports weirdos call that domination.

Losers love losers, its a reflection of themselves. Misery loves company.

 

[KingTaharqa]

His game is/was based on having genius level basketball IQ, being the best floor general since Magic, never having a great coach, and being the best all around basketball player we've seen in any of our lifetimes.

Relegating him to a Yannis style power player is a comically bad sports take.

To be fair, the players they prefer weren't celebrated for their intelligence (on or off the court) or playmaking ability, just their "will" and ability to hoist bad shots, so that's an area of basketball they don't appreciate on this board.

Thread has gone 2 pages just discussing the GOAT. You're not getting that from a Jokic or Luka family.

 

[REDLINE]

His game is/was based on having genius level basketball IQ, being the best floor general since Magic, never having a great coach, and being the best all around basketball player we've seen in any of our lifetimes.

Relegating him to a Yannis style power player is a comically bad sports take.

A Bag refers specifically to the offensive skillset, not overall playing or playing ability.

Cherry-picking one word to base your point off is also comical bad and a bad personality and argument trait.

I stated size, speed and power. But you saw the word power and chose to ride that wave.

 

[HotNixon36]

All this talk about Bagless Bron is boring.

No League

Let's talk about 7'4 Wemby blocking a shot in the 2nd quarter of a game vs. OKC instead. That'll be exciting.

Bron is still the biggest draw to the sport and gets this thread it's most engagement. And seeing their team beat the GOAT's still gets NBA fans the most excited. What else we gon talk about?

 

[REDLINE]

So that "LeBron has no bag" statement is true... but that can be said about most nba players INCLUDING Jordan in my opinion.

When I think of a player having a "bag," certain players come to mind instantly... Kyrie... Paul George... KD... Kobe... Steph... Olajuwon... young Ray Allen... AI... J Crossover... Abdul-Rauf... Grant Hill... CP3...

to me, a bag is essentially having a handle to break down your offender to the point they look silly and the ability to finish the move... a lot of nba players have one or the other... a good handle but an inability to finish, or no handle but can finish around the rim or anywhere else with consistency.

Of the big 3 (Jordan, LeBron, Kobe) I feel like only Kobe had a bag. You hear people talk about him and the one thing they all mention is FOOTWORK and how solid Kobe was... there are some that say he was more gifted than Jordan on that aspect of his game and use that as a deciding factor when discussing the GOAT.

Just as people say LeBron has no bag, Jordan went away from his and broke down his game to the basics... 2 dribble, stop, pull up and lace it... or his fadeaway from the post... young Jordan had a bag and would constantly break his defender down then finish at the rim with authority, but he later adjusted his game to best benefit what Phil wanted to execute because it was WINNING basketball and left his bag behind in favor of winning championships...

So to me, if you're looking at it objectively, LeBron really doesn't have a bag... those years in Miami, what i consider to be the best version of LeBron in his entire career, he was going to the rim and putting you in that mufucca... his mindset seemed to be "I'm not settling for jump shots" and at 6'8, 260lbs that's a SCARY thought.

So I can agree that LeBron doesn't have a bag but neither did a lot of the greats... and that doesn't take away from their greatness...

Just my 2 cents

Kobe specifically copied Jordan, Jordan had a bag.

 

[REDLINE]

Is there a reason that those shorts cost more than free?

 

[KingTaharqa]

Wonder who the leading vote getter in the ASG will be this season.

 

[REDLINE]

Losers respect losers, Lebronda flex is loser flex.

He loses, no First Team all defense in 10 years, no League MVP in 10 years.

Jokic passed him in triple doubles in 800 less ganes.

He ain't the best at shit, just loses, and puts up pedestrian numbers every night.

He ain't putting up "MVP" numbers or league leading stats each year.

Losers respect losers abd runner up niggas.

When Lebronze gonna do something of significance outside the bubble?

He is 3.5-6 in the Finals, looooooooooser bball IQ, and no killer instincr.

Nobody fears Lebron, he has never dominated.

I hope he keeps playing so he can keep embarrasing himself, we need a good laugh every night.

We hear ya Skip

 

[spider705]

Kobe specifically copied Jordan, Jordan had a bag.

Not arguing that, but Kobe is always applauded for his footwork and some say he had Jordan beat in that aspect of their game

 

[REDLINE]

Not arguing that, but Kobe is always applauded for his footwork and some say he had Jordan beat in that aspect of their game

Kobe copied Jordan and elevated his game to incorporate more footwork.

The more time passed, the more the game developed which leads to more moves being created and learned.

 

[Mask]

That was 10 years ago when he was just King. He's the GOAT now fam. They need to put Greatest Of All Time on that shit.

Ninja what the name is, I’m bout to order that shit and get it put on there

 

[HotNixon36]

Not

Wonder who the leading vote getter in the ASG will be this season.

Not MVP numbers. Will not win scoring title, rebounding title, blocks, steals, or assists title. Will not make a First or Second All Defense or be League MVP. Will not win Finals MVP. He is not dominant, never has been.

All lettuce and tomatoes that impresses losers and non hoopers.

Those numbers are why he has not been League MVP since 2013, or scoring title since 2008.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Ninja what the name is, I’m bout to order that shit and get it put on there

Greatest Of All Time lil nigga. Get that shit custom now.

 

[KingTaharqa]

 

[KingTaharqa]

@Amajorfucup





Kobe and Jordan fans talk narrative ONLY, so they can cap and pretend underachievers did more than they did, LeBron fans post highlight reels so you can see the greatness. Huge difference in branding.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I wonder what this thread would look like without the near daily Kobe, Jordan, LeBron troll debates.

I'm about 98% sure that some of the posters in here don't even watch the modern game. Like in terms of actually sitting down and watching a game.

Oh they'll watch some highlights off of YouTube or social media. They'll definitely watch all the ESPN talking head shows and listen to sport radio opinions. And they're quick to pull up pointless stats from basketball reference to make a point.

But do they actually watch the modern game. Or have they already decided that Jordan is God and all others are pretenders and always will be.

I'll just go back to where I started. I wonder what this thread would look like without the near daily hypothetical 90s stars vs today players debate.

 

[therealjondoe]

Can't rely on AD, let the recruitment begin

 

[KingTaharqa]

I wonder what this thread would look like without the near daily Kobe, Jordan, LeBron troll debates.

I'm about 98% sure that some of the posters in here don't even watch the modern game. Like in terms of actually sitting down and watching a game.

Oh they'll watch some highlights off of YouTube or social media. They'll definitely watch all the ESPN talking head shows and listen to sport radio opinions. And they're quick to pull up pointless stats from basketball reference to make a point.

But do they actually watch the modern game. Or have they already decided that Jordan is God and all others are pretenders and always will be.

I'll just go back to where I started. I wonder what this thread would look like without the near daily hypothetical 90s stars vs today players debate.

The NBA whored itself out to Nike in the 90s which pretty much set the stage for this. You got an entire generation of dickeaters that hate watches the modern NBA and wants to keep their 90s guys propped up. MJ left the sport completely and will never discuss it again publicly but his fans are still brainwashed by his shoe brand to act like he's impactful today. Jordan Brand is basically a league establishment brand. Mike hasnt played in 21 seasons, Kobe in 8 seasons, to keep them relevant trolling and diminishing those after them is the only option. LeBron plays tomorrow, so at least his fans are discussing an active player. At this point the debates only make those guys look comical and overrated so it doesn't bother me.

 

[REDLINE]

I wonder what this thread would look like without the near daily Kobe, Jordan, LeBron troll debates.

I'm about 98% sure that some of the posters in here don't even watch the modern game. Like in terms of actually sitting down and watching a game.

Oh they'll watch some highlights off of YouTube or social media. They'll definitely watch all the ESPN talking head shows and listen to sport radio opinions. And they're quick to pull up pointless stats from basketball reference to make a point.

But do they actually watch the modern game. Or have they already decided that Jordan is God and all others are pretenders and always will be.

I'll just go back to where I started. I wonder what this thread would look like without the near daily hypothetical 90s stars vs today players debate.

I have trolls on ignore so I literally have no idea what you're talking about