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I am the MOST CASUAL watcher
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Wow, good to know Tony and Wilbon still doing their thing.Google Podcasts is no longer available
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I am the MOST CASUAL watcher
I heard this and that's what I wanted you to comment on.
Used to listen to them on ESPN Radio a lot back in the day. I thought they were dissolved after not being on TV anymore but awesome to know. Yea I didn’t disagree with anything Taylor said here. He hit all the points accurately.
The super league was definitely an American concept and ideal and it’s definitely something that would not work in Europe because of the way sports are framed. Clubs are local to their cities, and like Taylor said, it’s the Green Bay Packers situation where the fans have a say in what happens to their club because of the money that gets pumped into the local economy.
My first ever visit the Old Trafford made me realize just how local that club is to that community, even though it’s a massive “corporation” that easily rivals the New York Yankees and Dallas Cowboys. Talk to locals there, and they won’t hesitate to tell you about the clubs inception, how it has deep roots in the industrial revolution and were created by factory workers and working class people.
That’s very much the situation for many clubs in Europe such as the Liverpool’s, the Arsenal’s, Chelsea, etc and how they were built and brought up through the local communities, so when an foreign American owner comes in and tries to overthrow that tradition without consulting them and tries to push them out, it’s only gonna make you feel some kinda way til the backlash begins, hence what we saw.
And IMO, that’s where the owners REALLY fucked up, cause they showed their hands. The trust is effectively out the window and the relationships between supporters and owners are pretty much strained to the max at the moment.
Those half hearted open letters and videos to fans to try and win them back isn’t gonna get too far without action in the fans favor. Discounted season tickets, more local community projects and investments in these clubs towns perhaps ... I really have no clue how they go about that but it’s truly a sloppy situation right now.
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I am the MOST CASUAL watcher
I heard this and that's what I wanted you to comment on.
football is the biggest sports because of how it is played and the rules
now u want to take the excitement out of it?
that is like making a horror movie with no horror
agree 100 percent, #GlazersOut
This is the beginning. Once they could establish this permanent monopoly; where
suck or succeed, the team remains in that league, then the motherfuckers would
start trying to blackmail host cities to give tax breaks, build them mammoth stadia
at public cost, to be owned by owners outright; the mofos would also institute the
bullshit price controls they call salary caps. Football in the whole world is pure all
out capitalism. You sink or swim by your own means, not the bullshit they have in
America where teams in uncompetitive markets are guaranteed survival because
of controlled player salaries.
suck or succeed, the team remains in that league, then the motherfuckers would
start trying to blackmail host cities to give tax breaks, build them mammoth stadia
at public cost, to be owned by owners outright; the mofos would also institute the
bullshit price controls they call salary caps. Football in the whole world is pure all
out capitalism. You sink or swim by your own means, not the bullshit they have in
America where teams in uncompetitive markets are guaranteed survival because
of controlled player salaries.
Wow, good to know Tony and Wilbon still doing their thing.
Yea I didn’t disagree with anything Taylor said here. He hit all the points accurately.
The super league was definitely an American concept and ideal and it’s definitely something that would not work in Europe because of the way sports are framed. Clubs are local to their cities, and like Taylor said, it’s the Green Bay Packers situation where the fans have a say in what happens to their club because of the money that gets pumped into the local economy.
My first ever visit the Old Trafford made me realize just how local that club is to that community, even though it’s a massive “corporation” that easily rivals the New York Yankees and Dallas Cowboys. Talk to locals there, and they won’t hesitate to tell you about the clubs inception, how it has deep roots in the industrial revolution and were created by factory workers and working class people.
That’s very much the situation for many clubs in Europe such as the Liverpool’s, the Arsenal’s, Chelsea, etc and how they were built and brought up through the local communities, so when an foreign American owner comes in and tries to overthrow that tradition without consulting them and tries to push them out, it’s only gonna make you feel some kinda way til the backlash begins, hence what we saw.
And IMO, that’s where the owners REALLY fucked up, cause they showed their hands. The trust is effectively out the window and the relationships between supporters and owners are pretty much strained to the max at the moment.
Those half hearted open letters and videos to fans to try and win them back isn’t gonna get too far without action in the fans favor. Discounted season tickets, more local community projects and investments in these clubs towns perhaps ... I really have no clue how they go about that but it’s truly a sloppy situation right now.
Not quite. They tried the super league at least once before and had it drawn up at least once more before that. You're correct in that the owners did it in a ham-handed manner and the fact that the most prominent owners are American didn't help.
Man, the first time I went to Old T I was petrified. Those people were like in a blood frenzy, I swore murder was sure to happen. And this was under Sir Alex when we were stomping everybody. I can only imagine under Moyes or LVG. Anyway, yes, the clubs are much more familylike as opposed to here where we understand they are performers. That is mostly because there is no football in Europe; or baseball; or basketball of NBA quality. The mindset is very different from the US. The closest you'll get to European soccer fans are college football fans. And even that falls short. Rabid is the word.
You're correct that a serious breach of trust occurred and none of the mealymouthed apologies mean shit. However, fans will come back and the owners care only about the bottom line. They are not sincere in their apologies, only remiss that they couldn't pull it off.
They figured a scenario like MLS where you don't have to worry about relegation you just have to find a way to attract fans. They figured their pedigrees would do that and they probably would - will. Stand by this ain't over; this idea comes around every 10, 15 years or so.
English football to undertake three-day social media boycott over online abuse
English football, including clubs in the Premier League and Women's Super League, will undertake a three-day social media boycott next week in response to "the ongoing and sustained discriminatory abuse received online by players and many others connected to football."
High-profile players such as Manchester United's Marcus Rashford and Lauren James, Manchester City forward Raheem Sterling and Liverpool defender Trent Alexander-Arnold have reported that they have received racist abuse on social media platforms.
The growing volume of incidents prompted the governing bodies and leagues in English football to write to Twitter and Facebook in February, demanding stricter enforcement of anti-discriminatory regulations.
Leading figures in the English game remain unsatisfied by the action taken by social media companies, however, and it has been confirmed that a boycott of all platforms will now be imposed to cover the full programme of fixtures next weekend, including Manchester United taking on Liverpool in the Premier League.
"The [Football Association] FA, Premier League, [English Football League] EFL, FA Women's Super League, FA Women's Championship, [Professional Footballers Association] PFA, [League Managers Association] LMA, [Professional Game Match Officials Limited] PGMOL, Kick It Out and the [Football Supporters Association] FSA will unite for a social media boycott from 15.00 [GMT] on Friday April 30 to 23.59 [GMT] on Monday May 3, in response to the ongoing and sustained discriminatory abuse received online by players and many others connected to football," a joint statement said.
"This has been scheduled to take place across a full fixture programme in the men's and women's professional game and will see clubs across the Premier League, EFL, WSL and Women's Championship switch off their Facebook, Twitter and Instagram accounts.
"As a collective, the game recognises the considerable reach and value of social media to our sport. The connectivity and access to supporters who are at the heart of football remains vital.
"However, the boycott shows English football coming together to emphasise that social media companies must do more to eradicate online hate, while highlighting the importance of educating people in the ongoing fight against discrimination.
"In our letter of February 2021, English football outlined its requests of social media companies, urging filtering, blocking and swift takedowns of offensive posts, an improved verification process and re-registration prevention, plus active assistance for law enforcement agencies to identify and prosecute originators of illegal content.
"While some progress has been made, we reiterate those requests today in an effort to stem the relentless flow of discriminatory messages and ensure that there are real-life consequences for purveyors of online abuse across all platforms.
"Boycott action from football in isolation will, of course, not eradicate the scourge of online discriminatory abuse, but it will demonstrate that the game is willing to take voluntary and proactive steps in this continued fight.
"Finally, while football takes a stand, we urge the UK Government to ensure its Online Safety Bill will bring in strong legislation to make social media companies more accountable for what happens on their platforms, as discussed at the DCMS [Digital, Culture, Media and Sport] Online Abuse roundtable earlier this week."
English football had written to social media companies in February. Photo by Tottenham Hotspur FC/Tottenham Hotspur FC via Getty Images
Premier League chief executive Richard Masters added that the league will continue to lobby the social media companies to do more to combat the scourge of online abuse.
"Racist behaviour of any form is unacceptable and the appalling abuse we are seeing players receive on social media platforms cannot be allowed to continue," Masters said.
"The Premier League and our clubs stand alongside football in staging this boycott to highlight the urgent need for social media companies to do more in eliminating racial hatred.
"We will not stop challenging social media companies and want to see significant improvements in their policies and processes to tackle online discriminatory abuse on their platforms.
"Football is a diverse sport, which brings together communities and cultures from all backgrounds and this diversity makes the competition stronger. No Room For Racism represents all the work we do to promote equality, diversity and inclusion and tackling discrimination."
Chief Executive of the Football Supporters' Association Kevin Miles said: "The Football Supporters' Association is fully behind the game's efforts to stamp out online hate and discrimination and will join next weekend's social media boycott. Much media attention has rightly focused on the vile abuse aimed at players, managers and journalists in the men's and women's game and we see that aimed at fans groups too. It has to stop.
"Many of our most active fan groups tell us that they have received disgusting abuse when they are doing nothing more than trying to represent their supporter base. It's a threat to the very existence of supporter organisations who are run by volunteers in their spare time. As fans we stand with players, managers, referees and all in the game in calling for the social media companies to step up."
English football, including clubs in the Premier League and Women's Super League, will undertake a three-day social media boycott next week in response to "the ongoing and sustained discriminatory abuse received online by players and many others connected to football."
High-profile players such as Manchester United's Marcus Rashford and Lauren James, Manchester City forward Raheem Sterling and Liverpool defender Trent Alexander-Arnold have reported that they have received racist abuse on social media platforms.
The growing volume of incidents prompted the governing bodies and leagues in English football to write to Twitter and Facebook in February, demanding stricter enforcement of anti-discriminatory regulations.
Leading figures in the English game remain unsatisfied by the action taken by social media companies, however, and it has been confirmed that a boycott of all platforms will now be imposed to cover the full programme of fixtures next weekend, including Manchester United taking on Liverpool in the Premier League.
"The [Football Association] FA, Premier League, [English Football League] EFL, FA Women's Super League, FA Women's Championship, [Professional Footballers Association] PFA, [League Managers Association] LMA, [Professional Game Match Officials Limited] PGMOL, Kick It Out and the [Football Supporters Association] FSA will unite for a social media boycott from 15.00 [GMT] on Friday April 30 to 23.59 [GMT] on Monday May 3, in response to the ongoing and sustained discriminatory abuse received online by players and many others connected to football," a joint statement said.
"This has been scheduled to take place across a full fixture programme in the men's and women's professional game and will see clubs across the Premier League, EFL, WSL and Women's Championship switch off their Facebook, Twitter and Instagram accounts.
"As a collective, the game recognises the considerable reach and value of social media to our sport. The connectivity and access to supporters who are at the heart of football remains vital.
"However, the boycott shows English football coming together to emphasise that social media companies must do more to eradicate online hate, while highlighting the importance of educating people in the ongoing fight against discrimination.
"In our letter of February 2021, English football outlined its requests of social media companies, urging filtering, blocking and swift takedowns of offensive posts, an improved verification process and re-registration prevention, plus active assistance for law enforcement agencies to identify and prosecute originators of illegal content.
"While some progress has been made, we reiterate those requests today in an effort to stem the relentless flow of discriminatory messages and ensure that there are real-life consequences for purveyors of online abuse across all platforms.
"Boycott action from football in isolation will, of course, not eradicate the scourge of online discriminatory abuse, but it will demonstrate that the game is willing to take voluntary and proactive steps in this continued fight.
"Finally, while football takes a stand, we urge the UK Government to ensure its Online Safety Bill will bring in strong legislation to make social media companies more accountable for what happens on their platforms, as discussed at the DCMS [Digital, Culture, Media and Sport] Online Abuse roundtable earlier this week."
English football had written to social media companies in February. Photo by Tottenham Hotspur FC/Tottenham Hotspur FC via Getty Images
Premier League chief executive Richard Masters added that the league will continue to lobby the social media companies to do more to combat the scourge of online abuse.
"Racist behaviour of any form is unacceptable and the appalling abuse we are seeing players receive on social media platforms cannot be allowed to continue," Masters said.
"The Premier League and our clubs stand alongside football in staging this boycott to highlight the urgent need for social media companies to do more in eliminating racial hatred.
"We will not stop challenging social media companies and want to see significant improvements in their policies and processes to tackle online discriminatory abuse on their platforms.
"Football is a diverse sport, which brings together communities and cultures from all backgrounds and this diversity makes the competition stronger. No Room For Racism represents all the work we do to promote equality, diversity and inclusion and tackling discrimination."
Chief Executive of the Football Supporters' Association Kevin Miles said: "The Football Supporters' Association is fully behind the game's efforts to stamp out online hate and discrimination and will join next weekend's social media boycott. Much media attention has rightly focused on the vile abuse aimed at players, managers and journalists in the men's and women's game and we see that aimed at fans groups too. It has to stop.
"Many of our most active fan groups tell us that they have received disgusting abuse when they are doing nothing more than trying to represent their supporter base. It's a threat to the very existence of supporter organisations who are run by volunteers in their spare time. As fans we stand with players, managers, referees and all in the game in calling for the social media companies to step up."
0 - El Atlético de Madrid have lost their three #LaLiga meetings this season when they have lost at the half time: at Real Madrid (1-0 & 2-0), vs Levante (0-1 & 0-2) & at Athletic Club (1-0 & 2-1). Sufferers #RealValladolidAtleti #AtleticoMadrid
Baraa kicking themselves
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Doc: Eriksen suffered cardiac arrest, 'was gone'
Denmark midfielder Christian Eriksen was "gone" before he was resuscitated after suffering a cardiac arrest, the team's doctor, Morten Boesen, said.
its the game tho
It is. Not saying he shouldn’t have. I think all forwards should honestly.
they would have got that chance they would do the same
the coach was foolish taking out all his best man he basically put in a new team.
Why have VAR tho ...?
it`s like it was a conspiracy cuz in the replay it clearly was a dive n they still awarded the penalty ...smh
Crazy that there was an extra ball on the field during play leading up to the penalty, it was minimal contact but Denmark was playing for penalties and England was looking to win the game so make the ref make the tough call. Always felt when England comes up against a technical team they will get exposed would have like to have Spain but football is going to ROME.
Yep, it was a blatant dive. It will be a different game against the Italians as they are the form team right now
That was my question. It wasn’t a clear penalty, therefore VAR should’ve confirmed that.
Clattenburg was explaining how the VAR officials aren’t allowed to sway the ref’s mind one way or another, but I thought that was the whole point??
Yup, I was wondering why they didn’t stop the play dead because of that second ball.
I can’t see them getting past Italy. That defense is locked down back there.
Sterling got a 9.6 for diving for that....
CF Montreal trade Erik Hurtado after forward refuses to get COVID-19 vaccine
CF Montreal has traded Erik Hurtado to Columbus Crew SC for $200,00 in general allocation money. In the announcement Thursday, the club cited the forward's unwillingness to get the COVID-19 vaccine as a reason for the trade.
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CF Montreal trade Erik Hurtado after forward refuses to get COVID-19 vaccine
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CF Montreal traded Erik Hurtado to Columbus Crew SC for $200,000 in general allocation money on Thursday, citing the forward's unwillingness to get the COVID-19 vaccine as a factor for the trade.
"There was some interest in Erik during the past few weeks and we listened to the offers, even though we were satisfied with Erik’s work," sporting director Olivier Renard said in a statement. "Because he’s not vaccinated against COVID-19, his situation was problematic and we started considering a trade when we got the confirmation that the team could return to Montreal.
"Before proceeding, Erik also confirmed that he was not comfortable taking the vaccine, so we concluded this deal, which we felt was very satisfactory."
Hurtado, who Montreal acquired in February, played seven games for the club and got one assist. He last played on May 22.
Hurtado's role
Sam Stejskal, staff writer: With starter Gyasi Zardes with the U.S. men's national team ahead of the Gold Cup and reserve Bradley Wright-Phillips still sidelined with a hamstring injury, Hurtado will provide much-needed cover for the Crew at striker in the short-term.
He'll be available for the club's match on Friday at FC Cincinnati. Though he won't be Columbus' main option moving forward, the 30-year-old could conceivably play a role right off the bat on Friday, especially with Wright-Phillips not expected to return until at least next Wednesday.
League-wide implications
Stejskal: Quebec and Ontario have loosened their restrictions to allow fully vaccinated members of CF Montreal and Toronto FC to return home for training. That obviously created problems for Hurtado and Montreal; it could do the same for unvaccinated players on Toronto FC.
TFC midfielder Nick DeLeon told media earlier this year that he would not take the COVID-19 vaccine. Toronto GM Ali Curtis said Sunday that one or two players are either not vaccinated or still need a second shot. It's not clear what TFC, who returned to Canada on Thursday, plan to do with the unvaccinated players.
Every Vancouver Whitecaps player is fully vaccinated, according to club CEO and sporting director Axel Schuster.
Where Canadian teams stand with returning home
Stejskal: CF Montreal revealed last week that it would return to Montreal for training after Wednesday's win against New York City FC in Orlando. It's not yet clear when they'll be allowed to host matches at Stade Saputo. The club hasn't yet announced where it will host FC Cincinnati on July 17.
Like Montreal, it's not clear when TFC will be able to resume playing at their normal home, BMO Field. TFC play next on July 17. President Bill Manning said TFC will not be playing that match in Orlando, where it had been based so far this season, and that there is a backup plan in a different U.S. city.
Though every member of the Whitecaps has been fully vaccinated, they do not yet know when they'll be able to return to British Columbia, even for training. The club confirmed on May 28 that all of its July home matches — up to and including the July 31 game against Minnesota — will be played at Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Utah, where the club has made its home so far this season.
Football on every level has the problem of the bunker. That's what makes the games so fucking boring. Clubs put 11 behind the ball and hope for a lucky or breakaway goal then sit in the bunker again.
I understand that weaker clubs feel it's the only way they can play with superior competition but lord the shit is sleep-inducing, you've got like 12 people in the box and no room for anything except out wide and then switch. Mad boring.
I understand that weaker clubs feel it's the only way they can play with superior competition but lord the shit is sleep-inducing, you've got like 12 people in the box and no room for anything except out wide and then switch. Mad boring.
