Poor whites who vote GOP ARE NOT voting against their own interests

4 Dimensional

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In regards to this: Yes. Human decisions are mostly driven by non-logical constructs so you need to go beyond what would be "reasonable" to get to a conclusion. The common conclusion (which might seem reasonable) is these people are voting against their interest. They aren't. And many of them will directly tell you such. Lots of trumpsters blatantly stated such. They value white supremacy more than financial gains. It's the same way that women said the value paternalistic ideology over feminism so Trump being a blatant sexist is irrelevant to them.

Are these women voting against their interests? No. Not if they value white supremacy more than gender equality.

Ok, I'm discussing "reasons" and your speaking of "what's reasonable." So we weren't taking about the same thing.

Reasons as in the causes or explanation of something.

Vs

Reasonable, the sensible judgment of something.

So to your point of being "reasonable," then I totally understand that a logical perspective is not warranted or necessary in making decisions when it comes their interest because white supremacy is their interest.

I was absolutely not talking about what was reasonable. So my bad if missed that in our discussion at some point.
 

Spectrum

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Ok, I'm discussing "reasons" and your speaking of "what's reasonable." So we weren't taking about the same thing.

Reasons as in the causes or explanation of something.

Vs

Reasonable, the sensible judgment of something.

So to your point of being "reasonable," then I totally understand that a logical perspective is not warranted or necessary in making decisions when it comes their interest because white supremacy is their interest.

I was absolutely not talking about what was reasonable. So my bad if missed that in our discussion at some point.

Oh yeah. It's a huge distinction. I think that once you accept someone isn't reasonable, you absolutely have to suspend reason a bit to make sense of it. You're no longer living in a (1+1=2) world. Like it might not be reasonable for a woman to stay with a man that constantly beats her, but in some cases (not the ones where they are literally afraid that if they leave, they'll be killed), there is a value system there that's beyond logic. Some women (and also the men that beat them) associate physical confrontation as a form of love. It's crazy to us reasonable people but it's true. So the beating is a "positive reinforcement" of a "negative"(to reasonable people) value. So in her mind, staying with this person is in her best interests. People's interests are "relative". There is no objective value for them even if reasonable people would like to believe there are.
 

4 Dimensional

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Oh yeah. It's a huge distinction. I think that once you accept someone isn't reasonable, you absolutely have to suspend reason a bit to make sense of it. You're no longer living in a (1+1=2) world. Like it might not be reasonable for a woman to stay with a man that constantly beats her, but in some cases (not the ones where they are literally afraid that if they leave, they'll be killed), there is a value system there that's beyond logic. Some women (and also the men that beat them) associate physical confrontation as a form of love. It's crazy to us reasonable people but it's true. So the beating is a "positive reinforcement" of a "negative"(to reasonable people) value. So in her mind, staying with this person is in her best interests. People's interests are "relative". There is no objective value for them even if reasonable people would like to believe there are.

Oh, I'm on board with what your talking about now. I see what you're saying and agree. I just tend to look at "reasons or explainations" of something first before I look at the "decision of something." It will take me no time to know that a person made a decision that was unreasonable. And I can live with knowing it was irrational. That's people in general.

So I'm glad we got that cleared up. So just to know for future discussions, I'm going to be making sure that you (or anyone else) and I are talking about the same thing. This shit could have ended 4 or 5 post ago. Lol.
 

Spectrum

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Oh, I'm on board with what your talking about now. I see what you're saying and agree. I just tend to look at "reasons or explainations" of something first before I look at the "decision of something." It will take me no time to know that a person made a decision that was unreasonable. And I can live with knowing it was irrational. That's people in general.

So I'm glad we got that cleared up. So just to know for future discussions, I'm going to be making sure that you (or anyone else) and I are talking about the same thing. This shit could have ended 4 or 5 post ago. Lol.

lmbaooo.. and Merry Christmas

That's why I mentioned above that I personally agreed with you. I was mainly trying to frame it from their crazy point of view. I need to add one of those disclaimers like "The views expressed are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Spectrum".
 

4 Dimensional

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lmbaooo.. and Merry Christmas

That's why I mentioned above that I personally agreed with you. I was mainly trying to frame it from their crazy point of view. I need to add one of those disclaimers like "The views expressed are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Spectrum".

Yes sir, that disclaimer would help some. Lmao.

Mine would be "I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing."

Merry Christmas, family. :cheers:
 

4 Dimensional

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White people think we get free health care that jobs we get are because of affirmative action that we don't pay for school that we get everything we get from the government
that's how they grow up believing and thinking and that's what the politicians tell them in code
to get tough on drugs tough on crime tough on welfare and healthcare
all of that is stuff they believe that we either do solely or that we benefit from solely its in their fibers.
they dont care about their health you keep trying to make it make logical sense it does not. that is why racism is a sickness and a delusion
you have to be psycho and crazy to believe in it and white supremacy and you see how the leaders of these movements are?
dumb as a bag of rocks from top to bottom from rural white guy to the president
all of them
dumb
as
fuck
and
catshit
crazy.

May bad on the earlier post, holms.

I just realize we wasn't talking about the same thing, so I was missing your points. I fully get what y'all are saying now.

Again, my bad on the confusion.
 

darth frosty

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Have yall ever read polls on poor whites thoughts on social nets? They support them unless they think non-whites benefit from them. They'll vote away social nets (even if they'll suffer)... i.e. the dumb ass whites who want to kill Obamacare but can't afford healthcare without it. They've been sold that it's an entitlement that's helping lazy americans (and also illegal immigrants) who should "pull themselves up by their bootstraps". Why do you think those lazy people are?
 

dlow

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Oh they are. They're just too stupid to realize that theyre house cats, but that lion in the mirror, is really the lion outside, and that mirror is a window... The lion represents the rich elites. The window is the gulf that separates them, and only the house cat thinks they're remotely similar beyond a basic DNA level.
There interests is your repression. White privilege allows them to believe they can get past any temp setbacks. Most whites could not own a slave. It never stopped them from hoping that they would make it to get one.
 

Non-StopJFK2TAB

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There interests is your repression. White privilege allows them to believe they can get past any temp setbacks. Most whites could not own a slave. It never stopped them from hoping that they would make it to get one.
White people arent necessarily interested in going back into time. They’re more interested in rolling back others advancement to a previous era. They will gladly suffer if it leads to our demise.
 

darth frosty

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There interests is your repression. White privilege allows them to believe they can get past any temp setbacks. Most whites could not own a slave. It never stopped them from hoping that they would make it to get one.
 

older version

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Good read and good reminders. I'm copying this one because even though it all rings true, I think I can make a comparison

Propane Jane said:
These people are intentionally making a habit of finding out who people of color are rallying behind and which party we’re giving our votes to so they can vote the complete fucking OPPOSITE.
Learn this basic fact now, y’all"

We all know we can't trust IMDB when it comes to Black movies.
shit will have hundreds of bad votes before it is even released.
 

BigDaddyBuk

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Holy fuck dude lol
Really?

honest to goodness insanity.

These mfs are basically north Koreans
if something is not good for you, your attitude towards it doesnt change its malevolence towards you.

saying anything else is both dishonest and factually incorrect.

saying white folks are stupid for supporting self extinction is fine. saying its to their best interest is total bullshit.
 

DADDY4HOES

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Poor Whites are going to self destruct. Rich Whites are going to have to sacrifice some of their privileges to check them. Middle class Whites are going to side with minorities , since they feel like they are being treated as such.....and minorities will not be ready to seize on the opportunity they are being handed. A GOP in disarray, racist exposed, politics in general ( reps and Dems ) losing control of their bases, no set upcoming leader in either party and hatred for Whites building up around the world ( PR, Virgin Islands, Caribbean Island Nations, Middle East ( Jerusalem decision ), Mexico and fellow Whites Australia...and people have no plan to take over. #WhatsInItForBlackPeople
 

easy_b

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Poor Whites are going to self destruct. Rich Whites are going to have to sacrifice some of their privileges to check them. Middle class Whites are going to side with minorities , since they feel like they are being treated as such.....and minorities will not be ready to seize on the opportunity they are being handed. A GOP in disarray, racist exposed, politics in general ( reps and Dems ) losing control of their bases, no set upcoming leader in either party and hatred for Whites building up around the world ( PR, Virgin Islands, Caribbean Island Nations, Middle East ( Jerusalem decision ), Mexico and fellow Whites Australia...and people have no plan to take over. #WhatsInItForBlackPeople
One thing I can say about Donald Trump he Accelerated the destruction of the GOP
 

Mo-Better

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There is nothing the Democrats could do about people like this the only thing sadly is they have to hurry up and die off

Yeah in fact even if you could lower yourself to that level, would you really want to do it? You still have to live with yourself.
 

Spectrum

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saying white folks are stupid for supporting self extinction is fine. saying its to their best interest is total bullshit.

I'm shocked how simple you are with this. Tell that to everyone who has enlisted in the military. People sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the tribe, daily. There are infinite examples. You sound like a flat-earther.
 

BigDaddyBuk

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I'm shocked how simple you are with this. Tell that to everyone who has enlisted in the military. People sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the tribe, daily. There are infinite examples. You sound like a flat-earther.

but we arent talking about the military, but if we were i'd argue the same point. the US military is nothing more than an extension of white supremacy and it IS NOT beneficial to MOST of the people who sacrifice themselves, MY DAD INCLUDED.
Every reply you make parroting a spin of the same reply that completely misses it proves otherwise. Read the other tweetstorm I posted above and sit on it for a minute.

words have meanings. the meanings DO NOT CHANGE based on a persons desire to make a point.

in the interest of one; in one's own interest; in one's best interest. For one's benefit or advantage, as in It's obviously in their interest to increase profits, or Is this policy in the interest of the townspeople? or I suspect it's in your own best interest to quit now. [Early 1700s ]

white supremacy in execution is bringing about the extinction of white people. no matter how you spin that, it IS NOT in their best interest.

i read the tweet storm. i understand whats being said. when your done the writer is still wrong.
 

Spectrum

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but we arent talking about the military, b

The dynamics are exactly the same. This is a thought experiment for you.

Individual gains for tribe gains.

If you value tribal gains more than individual gains, one choosing tribal gains (whether or not they get financial gains or not and there are all kinds of other gains they get by being apart of that tribe), sacrificing individual gains for tribal gains can be in your best interests. It's not different than choosing to sacrifice your life for your contribute, sacrificing a personal gain for your family, a personal gain for your politics, etc.

It's silly that you're even arguing this when it's a basic axiom of humanity.
 

Spectrum

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white supremacy in execution is bringing about the extinction of white people.

This might be the dumbest statement of 2017. Yeah... 100s of years of white supremacy is sure fucking things up for white people. Go sit down. You're drunk.

That's why I said the argument is going right over your head. White people, as a tribe, are doing fucking excellent. The white people at the bottom of the totem pole are voting for the continuation of that, even though they are at the bottom of it. They're fine with it as long as everything above them is white too.
 

BigDaddyBuk

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This might be the dumbest statement of 2017. Yeah... 100s of years of white supremacy is sure fucking things up for white people. Go sit down. You're drunk.
drunk?

Will America Remain White? More Non-Hispanic Whites Died Than Were Born in U.S. Last Year
By Jason Le Miere On 6/22/17 at 10:53 AM

http://www.newsweek.com/will-america-remain-white-population-628280

Global White Population to Plummet to a Single Digit



you dont know this is caused by white supremacy?


That's why I said the argument is going right over your head. White people, as a tribe, are doing fucking excellent. The white people at the bottom of the totem pole are voting for the continuation of that, even though they are at the bottom of it. They're fine with it as long as everything above them is white too.
no they ARE NOT, as a tribe they are going the way of the do do bird.
 

sammyjax

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if something is not good for you, your attitude towards it doesnt change its malevolence towards you.

saying anything else is both dishonest and factually incorrect.

saying white folks are stupid for supporting self extinction is fine. saying its to their best interest is total bullshit.
No one said best interest

She said they're voting on their own SELF-INTEREST.

self-in·ter·est
noun
noun: self-interest
  1. one's personal interest or advantage, especially when pursued without regard for others.
by definition, self interest is a choice and not about what's best for someone.

Even still, in this case they think it is both.

You are conflating best interest with self interest. And rather aggressively lol
 
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