Poor whites who vote GOP ARE NOT voting against their own interests

[older version]

I have not read thru the entire thread so I don’t know if it was mentioned.

A section of Whites in this country are in panic mode after the US Census reported that Whites will officially be listed as a “Minority” after the 2040 Census.

It’s possible they maybe listed as a minority as early as 2030.

It’s the main reason Trump is getting away with all that Latino detention shit on the border with the families and children.

The Latino population is getting larger and they will be a Majority in numbers in the near future. That became clear after the 2010 Census.

I don't believe in the power of one group becoming a minority shifts power elsewhere. They are gearing up some fuck-shit and have been for a while.
Hispanics/Latinos are not currently a "race" according to the census. They can and do mark off White as the race then ethnicity allows for Hispanic
to be a subgroup under that. Watch something happens to the ethnicity part and all the ones who checked off White as primary will count in the
White bucket when in reality, those Latinos from Central and South America should be checking off "American Indian"

Cubans ... probably proudly check off white and leave off Hispanic altogether.

 

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[older version]

Just because society has new bodies, it does not make the next set better or less fucked up as the last one.
This is why I don't trust millennials just because they are younger than the racists from my generation
and their parents. Millenials, and Gen X, not just white women, helped vote Trump in.
I understand the Bradley effect more with firsthand evidence.

 

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[SamSneed]

Seen a cac walk in and try to vote twice.

They told him he early voted

So you don’t remember that you voted already?

I’m sure they do this in those counties.

 

[older version]

http://factbox.tv/finally-one-short...ngerous-president-in-american-history-period/

 

[3rd__Optic]

^^^

 

[Naha-Nago]

Seen a cac walk in and try to vote twice.

They told him he early voted

So you don’t remember that you voted already?

I’m sure they do this in those counties.

Mayne if you ever get the chance read this book.

It goes over Lyndon B Johnson's first and 2nd senate race.

After reading this book ill never trust another "to close to call" vote ever again, ESPECIALLY if it comes down to those small districts....

I've read all the books by Caro on Lyndon B Johnson.

He was a wickly brilliant piece of shit.

"Well, we got to gives them ni66ers SOMETHING!?!"- Lyndon B Johnson on Civil Rights.

"Watch, ill have them ni66ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years!"- Lyndon B Johnson on the black vote.

*two cents*

 

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As zeroz aa

 

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12 Features of white working-class Trump voters confirm depressed and traumatized multitudes voted for him
A nationwide survey reveals the sorry state of middle America


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4
STEVEN ROSENFELD
MAY 19, 2017 7:58AM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on AlterNet.

Looking to the past, not the future. Feeling lost, resenting immigrants. Feeling broke, picked on. Self-medicating, rejecting education. Wanting a rule-breaking leader to end the misery.

These are some of the characteristics of white working-class voters who were three times more likely to support Donald Trump in the 2016 election, according to an expanded analysisof more than 3,000 people surveyed before and after the election by PRRI/The Atlantic of white Americans who are marked by “cultural dislocation.”



“These new results show that feelings of cultural displacement and a desire for cultural protection, more than economic hardship, drove white working-class voters to support Trump in 2016,” says PRRI CEO Robert P. Jones. “The findings cast new light on how Trump’s ‘Make American Great Again!’ slogan tapped these fears and anxieties and a deep sense of nostalgia for a previous time in the country when white conservative Christians perceived that they had more power and influence.”

The PRRI survey is remarkable in ways its press release doesn’t quite say. It suggests Trump’s supporters don’t do well distinguishing between their feelings and factual circumstances. Take their relative economic class — they’re not necessarily poor, but they aren’t satisfied. They don’t like what they see, but want someone else to fix it. They’re traumatized and lash out. Many are inclined to blame others and self-medicate, yet reject self-betterment through higher education. The survey shows that lots of people in overlooked America vote based on their frustrations and darker emotions.

“Compared to cultural factors, economic factors were less strong predictors of support for Trump,” PRRI’s press release said, using neutral language. But what are cultural factors besides personal biases, beliefs and perceptions unfettered by fact-based realities?

“White working-class voters who reported feelings of economic fatalism — defined as those who believe that a college education is a risky gamble — were about twice as likely as those who believe college is a smart investment in the future to have favored Trump,” PRRI continued. “Notably, white working-class voters who reported simply being in poor financial shape were nearly twice as likely as those who reported being in better financial shape to support Hillary Clinton.”

Here are 12 excerpts from the PRRI/Atlantic White Working Class Survey conducted between September 22 and October 9, 2016. The report also draws on a set of four focus groups conducted in Cincinnati, Ohio, in December 2016 and additional PRRI surveys that contained samples of white working-class Americans. Here’s how they describe Trump’s white working-class base.




1. Nostalgia for the 1950s. Nearly two-thirds (65 percent) of the white working class believe American culture and way of life has deteriorated since the 1950s, compared to a majority (56 percent) of white college-educated Americans who say American culture and way of life has improved.

2. Strangers in their own country. Nearly half (48 percent) of white working-class Americans agree, saying things have changed so much that they often feel like strangers in their own country, while 74 percent of white college-educated Americans reject this notion.

3. Protection from foreign influence. Sixty-eight percent of white working-class Americans believe the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence. Fewer than half (44 percent) of white college-educated Americans express this view.

4. Losing the American identity.More than two-thirds (68 percent) of white working-class Americans along with a majority (55 percent) of the public overall believe the U.S. is in danger of losing its culture and identity.

5. Attitudes on immigrants and immigration. More than six in 10 (62 percent) white working-class Americans believe the growing number of newcomers from other countries threatens American culture. However, nearly six in 10 (59 percent) white working-class Americans believe immigrants living in the country illegally should be allowed to become citizens provided they meet certain requirements, while 10 percent say they should be allowed to become permanent legal residents. More than one in four (27 percent) say we should identify and deport illegal immigrants. Support for a path to citizenship is only slightly lower than support among the general public (63 percent).

6. Perceptions of reverse discrimination. More than half (52 percent) of white working-class Americans believe discrimination against whites has now become as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities, while 70 percent of white college-educated Americans disagree.

7. Bad financial shape. Fewer than four in 10 of the white working-class report they are in excellent (5 percent) or good (33 percent) shape financially, compared to six in 10 who say they are in fair (35 percent) or poor shape (25 percent). White working-class Americans are about as likely to say their financial situation has diminished (27 percent) as to say it has improved (29 percent). White college-educated Americans, in contrast, are about three times as likely to say their financial circumstances have gotten better than gotten worse (41 percent vs. 14 percent, respectively).


8. College doesn’t pay off. A majority (54 percent) of the white working-class view getting a college education as a risky gamble, while only 44 percent say it is a smart investment.

9. Wanted: rule-breaking leader. Six in 10 (60 percent) white working-class Americans, compared to only 32 percent of white college-educated Americans, say we need a strong leader who is willing to break the rules, because things have gotten so far off track.

10. Yes to restoring felony voting rights. More than seven in 10 (71 percent) white working-class Americans and about three-quarters (74 percent) of the public overall agree a person who has been convicted of a felony should be allowed to vote after he has served his sentence.

11. Substance abusers likely. Nearly four in 10 (38 percent) white working-class Americans, compared to 26 percent of white college-educated Americans, say they or someone in their household has experienced depression in the last 12 months. Twelve percent of white working-class Americans report a family member has struggled with alcoholism, while a similar number (8 percent) say the same of drug addiction. Among white college-educated Americans, fewer say someone in their household has struggled with either alcoholism (9 percent) or drug addiction (3 percent).

12. Drug treatment over jail time. Approximately seven in 10 (71 percent) white working-class Americans and three-quarters (74 percent) of the public support a law mandating drug treatment instead of prison for those using illegal drugs on their first or second offense. More than eight in 10 (82 percent) white college-educated Americans also support a treatment option over incarceration. Drug treatment is the preferred option among an overwhelming number of black (78 percent) and Hispanic (67 percent) Americans.

Trump’s America

The PRRI/Atlantic survey underscores how much of Trump’s base are deeply traumatized, stuck in their lives and think little of education as a path to improvement. (These are not the corporate elites who support Trump because they are seeking to increase their wealth through government deregulation and privatization of public services.)


“White working-class Americans display a strong sense of economic fatalism, which influenced their vote choice in 2016,” said PRRI research director Dan Cox. “A majority of white working-class Americans believe that college education is more of a risk than an investment in the future, a view that is at odds not only with white college-educated Americans, but with black and Hispanic Americans as well. And white working-class voters who lost confidence in the education system as a path to upward mobility were much more likely to support Trump in the 2016 election."

 

[Spectrum]

12 Features of white working-class Trump voters confirm depressed and traumatized multitudes voted for him
A nationwide survey reveals the sorry state of middle America


30

4
STEVEN ROSENFELD
MAY 19, 2017 7:58AM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on AlterNet.

Looking to the past, not the future. Feeling lost, resenting immigrants. Feeling broke, picked on. Self-medicating, rejecting education. Wanting a rule-breaking leader to end the misery.

These are some of the characteristics of white working-class voters who were three times more likely to support Donald Trump in the 2016 election, according to an expanded analysisof more than 3,000 people surveyed before and after the election by PRRI/The Atlantic of white Americans who are marked by “cultural dislocation.”



“These new results show that feelings of cultural displacement and a desire for cultural protection, more than economic hardship, drove white working-class voters to support Trump in 2016,” says PRRI CEO Robert P. Jones. “The findings cast new light on how Trump’s ‘Make American Great Again!’ slogan tapped these fears and anxieties and a deep sense of nostalgia for a previous time in the country when white conservative Christians perceived that they had more power and influence.”

The PRRI survey is remarkable in ways its press release doesn’t quite say. It suggests Trump’s supporters don’t do well distinguishing between their feelings and factual circumstances. Take their relative economic class — they’re not necessarily poor, but they aren’t satisfied. They don’t like what they see, but want someone else to fix it. They’re traumatized and lash out. Many are inclined to blame others and self-medicate, yet reject self-betterment through higher education. The survey shows that lots of people in overlooked America vote based on their frustrations and darker emotions.

“Compared to cultural factors, economic factors were less strong predictors of support for Trump,” PRRI’s press release said, using neutral language. But what are cultural factors besides personal biases, beliefs and perceptions unfettered by fact-based realities?

“White working-class voters who reported feelings of economic fatalism — defined as those who believe that a college education is a risky gamble — were about twice as likely as those who believe college is a smart investment in the future to have favored Trump,” PRRI continued. “Notably, white working-class voters who reported simply being in poor financial shape were nearly twice as likely as those who reported being in better financial shape to support Hillary Clinton.”

Here are 12 excerpts from the PRRI/Atlantic White Working Class Survey conducted between September 22 and October 9, 2016. The report also draws on a set of four focus groups conducted in Cincinnati, Ohio, in December 2016 and additional PRRI surveys that contained samples of white working-class Americans. Here’s how they describe Trump’s white working-class base.




1. Nostalgia for the 1950s. Nearly two-thirds (65 percent) of the white working class believe American culture and way of life has deteriorated since the 1950s, compared to a majority (56 percent) of white college-educated Americans who say American culture and way of life has improved.

2. Strangers in their own country. Nearly half (48 percent) of white working-class Americans agree, saying things have changed so much that they often feel like strangers in their own country, while 74 percent of white college-educated Americans reject this notion.

3. Protection from foreign influence. Sixty-eight percent of white working-class Americans believe the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence. Fewer than half (44 percent) of white college-educated Americans express this view.

4. Losing the American identity.More than two-thirds (68 percent) of white working-class Americans along with a majority (55 percent) of the public overall believe the U.S. is in danger of losing its culture and identity.

5. Attitudes on immigrants and immigration. More than six in 10 (62 percent) white working-class Americans believe the growing number of newcomers from other countries threatens American culture. However, nearly six in 10 (59 percent) white working-class Americans believe immigrants living in the country illegally should be allowed to become citizens provided they meet certain requirements, while 10 percent say they should be allowed to become permanent legal residents. More than one in four (27 percent) say we should identify and deport illegal immigrants. Support for a path to citizenship is only slightly lower than support among the general public (63 percent).

6. Perceptions of reverse discrimination. More than half (52 percent) of white working-class Americans believe discrimination against whites has now become as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities, while 70 percent of white college-educated Americans disagree.

7. Bad financial shape. Fewer than four in 10 of the white working-class report they are in excellent (5 percent) or good (33 percent) shape financially, compared to six in 10 who say they are in fair (35 percent) or poor shape (25 percent). White working-class Americans are about as likely to say their financial situation has diminished (27 percent) as to say it has improved (29 percent). White college-educated Americans, in contrast, are about three times as likely to say their financial circumstances have gotten better than gotten worse (41 percent vs. 14 percent, respectively).


8. College doesn’t pay off. A majority (54 percent) of the white working-class view getting a college education as a risky gamble, while only 44 percent say it is a smart investment.

9. Wanted: rule-breaking leader. Six in 10 (60 percent) white working-class Americans, compared to only 32 percent of white college-educated Americans, say we need a strong leader who is willing to break the rules, because things have gotten so far off track.

10. Yes to restoring felony voting rights. More than seven in 10 (71 percent) white working-class Americans and about three-quarters (74 percent) of the public overall agree a person who has been convicted of a felony should be allowed to vote after he has served his sentence.

11. Substance abusers likely. Nearly four in 10 (38 percent) white working-class Americans, compared to 26 percent of white college-educated Americans, say they or someone in their household has experienced depression in the last 12 months. Twelve percent of white working-class Americans report a family member has struggled with alcoholism, while a similar number (8 percent) say the same of drug addiction. Among white college-educated Americans, fewer say someone in their household has struggled with either alcoholism (9 percent) or drug addiction (3 percent).

12. Drug treatment over jail time. Approximately seven in 10 (71 percent) white working-class Americans and three-quarters (74 percent) of the public support a law mandating drug treatment instead of prison for those using illegal drugs on their first or second offense. More than eight in 10 (82 percent) white college-educated Americans also support a treatment option over incarceration. Drug treatment is the preferred option among an overwhelming number of black (78 percent) and Hispanic (67 percent) Americans.

Trump’s America

The PRRI/Atlantic survey underscores how much of Trump’s base are deeply traumatized, stuck in their lives and think little of education as a path to improvement. (These are not the corporate elites who support Trump because they are seeking to increase their wealth through government deregulation and privatization of public services.)


“White working-class Americans display a strong sense of economic fatalism, which influenced their vote choice in 2016,” said PRRI research director Dan Cox. “A majority of white working-class Americans believe that college education is more of a risk than an investment in the future, a view that is at odds not only with white college-educated Americans, but with black and Hispanic Americans as well. And white working-class voters who lost confidence in the education system as a path to upward mobility were much more likely to support Trump in the 2016 election."

Propane Jane is a genius.

 

[jasonblacc]

Good bump

 

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[VAiz4hustlaz]

Mayne if you ever get the chance read this book.

It goes over Lyndon B Johnson's first and 2nd senate race.

After reading this book ill never trust another "to close to call" vote ever again, ESPECIALLY if it comes down to those small districts....

I've read all the books by Caro on Lyndon B Johnson.

He was a wickly brilliant piece of shit.

"Well, we got to gives them ni66ers SOMETHING!?!"- Lyndon B Johnson on Civil Rights.

"Watch, ill have them ni66ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years!"- Lyndon B Johnson on the black vote.

*two cents*

Interesting. Thanks for the post.

 

[darth frosty]

One reason Trump supporters believe his lies comes from a basic fact about the brain: it takes more mental effort to reject an idea as false than to accept it as true. In other words, it’s easier to believe than to not.

This fact is based on a landmark study published in the journal PLOS ONE in 2009, which asked the simple question, how is the brain activated differently during a state of belief compared to a state of disbelief? To test this, participants were asked whether or not they believed in a series of statements while their brain activity was being imaged by an fMRI scanner. Some sentences were simple and fact-based (California is larger than Rhode Island), while others were more abstract and subjective (God probably does not exist). The results showed the activation of distinct but often overlapping brain areas in the belief and disbelief conditions. While these imaging results are complicated to interpret, the electrical patterns also showed something that was fairly straightforward. Overall, there was greater brain activation that persisted for longer during states of disbelief. Greater brain activation requires more cognitive resources, of which there is a limited supply. What these findings show is that the mental process of believing is simply less work for the brain, and therefore often favored. The default state of the human brain is to accept what we are told, because doubt takes effort. Belief, on the other hand, comes easily.




This troubling finding makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. If children questioned every single fact they were being taught, learning would occur at a rate so slow that it would be a hindrance. But this fact could be just as easily applied to both the political left and right. So how does it explain why conservatives, specifically evangelicals, are so easily duped by Donald Trump?

For Christian fundamentalists, being taught to suppress critical thinking begins at a very early age. It is the combination of the brain’s vulnerability to believing unsupported facts and aggressive indoctrination that create the perfect storm for gullibility. Due to the brain’s neuroplasticity, or ability to be sculpted by lived experiences, evangelicals literally become hardwired to believe far-fetched statements.



This wiring begins when they are first taught to accept Biblical stories not as metaphors for living life practically and purposefully, but as objective truth. Mystical explanations for natural events train young minds to not demand evidence for beliefs. As a result, the neural pathways that promote healthy skepticism and rational thought are not properly developed. This inevitably leads to a greater susceptibility to lying and gaslighting by manipulative politicians, and greater suggestibility in general.

If we want to combat the brain’s habit of taking the path of least resistance, which has destructive downstream consequences for critical thinking, as a society we must place more value on empirical evidence, and this must be reflected in how we educate our youth. Additionally, we must create an awareness of the fact that for the human mind, believing is more of a reflex than a careful and methodical action.

Bobby Azarian is a neuroscientist affiliated with George Mason University and a freelance journalist

 

[Quek9]

good...

 

[Quek9]

If it was up to me. I would lock every cac in a room with a gun and 1 bullet with blacked videos on a 24/7 loop. I would solve racism in 3 days tops.

 

[Drayonis]

Voting for white supremacy isn't voting against your interest if your value structure starts there.

That's it and that's all it ever was

 

[easy_b]

Well the demographic numbers are changing rapidly and there is nothing they could do about it so if they want to keep voting against their own interest let them do that it will create a faster demise for them. Rural America right now is not doing too well regardless what the stock market does. One more thing that trade war that Trump started really messed them up even worse.

 

[xfactor]

whites are already the minority and still dominate.

with most of you wanting to be white, they’ll still dominate no matter how much their numbers dwindle.

they need to be taken out of power which won’t happen until the society collapses from the conditions they created because people like you will give your life to make sure they stay on top.

Well the demographic numbers are changing rapidly and there is nothing they could do about it so if they want to keep voting against their own interest let them do that it will create a faster demise for them. Rural America right now is not doing too well regardless what the stock market does. One more thing that trade war that Trump started really messed them up even worse.

 

[darth frosty]

whites are already the minority and still dominate.

with most of you wanting to be white, they’ll still dominate no matter how much their numbers dwindle.

they need to be taken out of power which won’t happen until the society collapses from the conditions they created because people like you will give your life to make sure they stay on top.

 

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[darth frosty]

Why are there so few Republican lawmakers standing up against Trump?


https://www.quora.com/#

Originally Answered: Why are there so few republican lawmakers standing up against Trump?

The question makes the common assumption that the Republican Party is a conservative political party. Understandable, since Republicans always say they’re conservative, and many say they’re Conservatives, if you know what I mean.

But it ain’t so, and their vote for Trump and subsequent strong ~90% approval of his “presidency” proves it. And also explains why Republican lawmakers have turned Congress into pretty much a rubber stamp for the executive branch under Trump.

What happened?

The GOP was utterly corrupted by two forces: the Dixiecrats and the plutocrats.

During and after the Civil War the Republican Party was the Party of Lincoln, of civil rights, while the Democratic Party represented the men (remember, women couldn’t vote) who thought the single most important thing about them was that they were white men. This campaign poster from that era sums it up:

This held true for about a century. But then in the 1960s the Democratic Party decided to live up to its name and its southern faction—the Dixiecrats—bolted en masse to the GOP, turning the Solid South from Solid Blue to Solid Red over the course of a few years.

Why did they bolt, when most of them were white working stiffs and the GOP was the Party of Money? Because they were single issue voters, and for them the single issue was subjugating blacks—keeping them “in their place.”

Summarized by the South’s signature poem: “If you’re White, you’re all right. If you’re Brown, stick around. If you’re Black, step back.”

They fought the Civil War about enslaving blacks (and then lied about it ever since). They left the Democratic Party over subjugating blacks (and lied about it ever since). And some might say they finally won the Civil War on November 6, 2016, with a little help from their rich friends in America and Russia.

About the same time as Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” absorbed the White South, the Angry Billionaire’s Club (my name for it) coalesced— a loose coalition of affluent right wingers who conceived a long term project to capture the federal and state governments. ALEC, which controls the economic side of most Red state governments, is one aspect.

The goal was to cripple government oversight of big business, slash taxes on the rich/big business, guide foreign policy to favor big business, cripple the IRS’s ability to catch tax cheating by the rich/big business, and inculcate the worship of the rich among the right wing lumpen proletariat.

Hence the saying that socialism will never succeed in America because here the poor don’t believe they’re poor—just “temporarily embarrassed” millionaires.

The third prong of this right wing trident is the religious Right—mostly “Christianists” (that is, people who boast of their Christianity while opposing most of Christ’s teachings). Their alliance with the plutocrats works beautifully because what the “Christianists” want—imposing their version of Shariah Law— won’t cost the plutocrats anything, pretty much.

Even the immigration issue. Big business loves illegals because they use them to drive down wages for unskilled labor and bust unions. And you can mistreat them and even cheat them of wages and they don’t dare complain. On the other hand right wingers are easy to fool by great public shows.

So as long as the anti-immigration effort focuses on traumatizing mothers and children and doesn’t jail/fine employers, make e-Verify universal, or, worst of all, implement India’s Aadhaar biometric ID database—the only way we can uncover the 11 million already here—well, then, it’s all good.

Racism, revanchism, xenophobia, homophobia, isolationism, unilateralism, disdain for science and government regulation have no place in the conservatism of Adam Smith. So while the GOP serves the short-term profit-seeking interest of big business and the investor class, calling the party “conservative” has become less and less appropriate. “Reactionary” would be a far better fit. That would better explain the GOP’s relentless effort to destroy the ACA with no replacement, for example.

So while conservative lawmakers might stand up to Trump, authoritarian white supremacist reactionary lawmakers are unlikely to. At this point the GOP can’t win the presidency without cheating, and without the presidency it can block Democratic appointments and legislation but can’t stuff the court with marginally qualified right wing judges-for-life and systematically destroy the federal government’s regulatory, scientific, administrative and statecraft expertise.

So any remaining conservative lawmakers know that it’s now either the Trumpublican or Democratic Party, or getting out of the game. If they oppose Trump their career as a “Republican” is over, and the Democratic Party is fiscally and socially more like what Eisenhower’s GOP was than what the GOP is now, but by current standards it’s only conservative by the lights of other rich nations—not America. Can they outlast Trump? Will his movement self-destruct? Maybe, maybe not.

Easy to see why there’s so little resistance from elected Republican politicians who haven’t retired or announced their retirement.

And if they did speak out, who’s going to listen to them? Remember that 90% Trump approval rating among Republican voters. GOP dissident polls would get the 10% of Republican non-Trump worshipers. With zero leverage. They might have a shot at a place in the Democratic Party, but it’s not an easy fit. One House member has resigned from the GOP to become an independent. Perhaps he has a strong hold on his district and can resist both parties’ desire to dislodge him, but he’ll never be a Senator or President and probably never get committee assignments he wants—or chairmanships. Not to mention the plum industry jobs awaiting congressmen who make big business happy.

Those not blinded by ideology may still have their hands stayed by personal/practical considerations, in other words.

It’s not surprising so few have spoken out. Just read the Trumpublican answers here to see what a clear-eyed Republican politician is up against—and even more an ethical one, if any are left.

 

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