TARIQ NASHEED vs ROLAND MARTIN

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

We see eye to eye on that.

My issue is with people who have put him and some of these other leads above criticism.

I call it like I see it. If my perception of him and anybody else is wrong, then I wouldn't be the first person to misjudge someone else.

I feel the same about him that I do Umar. Good works are coming from him, but dude's ego is on some next shit.

I fucks with Boyce more than all three, but I peep Boyce as well. He does try to act like he's above the pettiness and ego - e.g. he'll knock that plantation education for others, but will quickly remind you of the credentials he got from one of those white universities, tho - but he finds little slick ways to throw his jabs. But, I feel like that man sacrificed more than most people EVER would for the sake of black people. I know his passion is truly for black folks. Perfection is not a requirement, just sincerity and effort.

I think its just confidence and sometimes it can seem to go overboard..

every college graduate I know has that same "confidence" thingy going on..

It comes with the territory....

but you aint seen no ego unless you met medical surgeon or a new money multi millionaire..

some hide it good in public but in private...

gotdam....lol

 

[Better]

I think its just confidence and sometimes it can seem to go overboard..

every college graduate I know has that same "confidence" thingy going on..

It comes with the territory....

but you aint seen no ego unless you met medical surgeon or a new money multi millionaire..

some hide it good in public but in private...

gotdam....lol

You ain't lying, bro'.

I guess when you overcome so many obstacles and feel you've won/are winning, you can start feeling yourself a bit much. LOL. Right in my own family I got motherfuckers like that.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

You ain't lying, bro'.

I guess when you overcome so many obstacles and feel you've won/are winning, you can start feeling yourself a bit much. LOL. Right in my own family I got motherfuckers like that.

then you know what it is...!!!

you have my condolences..lol

 

[WestIndianArchie]

 

[Drayonis]

And this is where Tariq loses credibility with me. Roland stands up for a sister (for whatever reason) and you start to attack him because he's an Alpha? Come on, who cares? Roland been clashing with white folks and coons for years now he's not "black enough"? He's now the enemy? Fuck outta here.....

 

[TFN Crew]

Roland or his people must listen to Tariq's podcast. Its ironic that Tariq talked about the Boule & Sigma Pi Phi on his most recent Sunday show. I wonder if Roland got pissed about Tariq saying some of the Boule have been vetted by white supremacist to oversee the black community. He discussed the race soldier getting off for killing Philando Castille b/c they have appointed a special prosecutor, Don Lewis, a Boule member. The new hustle is to appoint a black prosecutor to prosecute these race soldiers who kill unarmed black people.

 

[keone]

Dam

i did notice that when a black man needed your help
the help that you agreed too
you ran the fuck away and became unreachable

your faggit ass shouldnt say shit

damn I thought I was the only one who notice it.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

And this is where Tariq loses credibility with me. Roland stands up for a sister (for whatever reason) and you start to attack him because he's an Alpha? Come on, who cares? Roland been clashing with white folks and coons for years now he's not "black enough"? He's now the enemy? Fuck outta here.....

Because he wouldn't stand up for any other sister at any other time. That's where Roland loses some points with me. Why did he stand up for her and none of the other NBWs they try to put on any panel Tariq is on?

 

[alexw]

damn I thought I was the only one who notice it.

Nah themainman is a real bitch ass nigga and none of his deflecting will change those facts. Nigga didn't even post for a yr but he was still logging on everyday until the coast was clear. Bitch nigga he is

 

[theteacher]

Tariq is a good dude...
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[hocjo2626]

All this shit is not productive at all. You will never see Sean Klannity beefing with Rush Fuckbaugh. Never!!

 

[WestIndianArchie]

Well, it seems to me that Tariq has officially took the place of Dr.Frances Cress Welsing and Neely Fuller for this new age. Its funny how they would never book Dr. Welsing on these programs, but Tariq gets booked. I think he knows how to play the game, but they havent caught on to him sticcing to the code. Lol. He does that shit like a master, never lets them off the hook. I hate that we go on their networks, but at least Tariq got the right tools and arms himself well with that mouthpiece.

And Roland being on TV One dont mean shit. Comcast owns TV One too, Cathy Hughes is a republican and Roland is a Tom Joyner type democrat. Smh. This is going to open up some wounds we have to deal with in our community. Some will go towards those dealing with the code and understanding the system we are in. Others will stay about that "talented tenth" life.

Anyhow, yall remember Bro.Steve told us about the Boule....

 

[keone]

Nah themainman is a real bitch ass nigga and none of his deflecting will change those facts. Nigga didn't even post for a yr but he was still logging on everyday until the coast was clear. Bitch nigga he is

now it all makes sense. i notce it but was thinking maybe it was something else. but you right man 100%. he was out that thread dirty shit

 

[big pimp]

Damn, Roland was literally shucking and jiving.

And he was happy doing it.

 

[trstar]

You guys must not know any of these Jack and Jill/Boule folks. Most are down for the cause, but they aren't the march in the street types. Many do support financially

Umar/Tariq are trying to create an artificial boogie man.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

And he was happy doing it.

Yea man it's hard for me to side with Roland just off that alone. Tariq is also a clown so when he added that jig music I was dying.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

You guys must not know any of these Jack and Jill/Boule folks. Most are down for the cause, but they aren't the march in the street types. Many do support financially

Umar/Tariq are trying to create an artificial boogie man.

Bull to the shit. If they really down why don't they put any money into the community. Artificial boogie man? Nothing artificial about killing black people and getting a gofund me page or getting away with it. Or in most cases both.

 

[JimJones]

I hear you, bro' ...

... I just find it interesting that someone would transition from one side selling DVD's, to the other side ..... selling DVD's. I'm not saying dude shouldn't be able to make his bread, but how do you change SO QUICKLY, and yet you're already seeking to profit off of your enlightenment almost the moment after you made the public aware of the transformation??

It really comes off no different than the street hustler who decided to become a Christian pastor, and is now hustling Christians.

Not only that, but his whole person just makes him seem Fugazi.

But, it whatever. I don't believe in him, and you do .... so our opinions come as no surprise.

I don't believe in him I believe in the truth he is sharing which is not his truth it's THE truth being spread via a platform he providing. I understand your hesitation as no one like to be made a fool of but their is no time frame for transformation in fact the quicker and more thorough the better.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

And this is where Tariq loses credibility with me. Roland stands up for a sister (for whatever reason) and you start to attack him because he's an Alpha? Come on, who cares? Roland been clashing with white folks and coons for years now he's not "black enough"? He's now the enemy? Fuck outta here.....

Honestly, neither of these cats really gets it.

Like I said, if Ro had simply given the brother a call, much of this could have been avoided. That's the man move.

Tariq has exacerbated everything by trying to publicly discredit the brother, another bitch move.

They're both dead wrong.

 

[phanatic]

I want a Tariq and Sheriff Clarke debate.

 

[simonmarcel]

Peace,



Honestly, neither of these cats really gets it.

Like I said, if Ro had simply given the brother a call, much of this could have been avoided. That's the man move.

Tariq has exacerbated everything by trying to publicly discredit the brother, another bitch move.

They're both dead wrong.

Roland way more than Tariq though. Roland should've handled it privately. Since he dind't, anything that comes next is on him. Was Tariq supposed to let that shit slide?

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Well, it seems to me that Tariq has officially took the place of Dr.Frances Cress Welsing and Neely Fuller for this new age. Its funny how they would never book Dr. Welsing on these programs, but Tariq gets booked. I think he knows how to play the game, but they havent caught on to him sticcing to the code. Lol. He does that shit like a master, never lets them off the hook. I hate that we go on their networks, but at least Tariq got the right tools and arms himself well with that mouthpiece.

And Roland being on TV One dont mean shit. Comcast owns TV One too, Cathy Hughes is a republican and Roland is a Tom Joyner type democrat. Smh. This is going to open up some wounds we have to deal with in our community. Some will go towards those dealing with the code and understanding the system we are in. Others will stay about that "talented tenth" life.

Anyhow, yall remember Bro.Steve told us about the Boule....

Sharizad Ali used to be on the talk shows back in the day and she used to have everybody salty as hell.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Peace,



Honestly, neither of these cats really gets it.

Like I said, if Ro had simply given the brother a call, much of this could have been avoided. That's the man move.

Tariq has exacerbated everything by trying to publicly discredit the brother, another bitch move.

They're both dead wrong.

Yea they really should have just called and talked to each other. Roland could have called Dr.Boyce and ask for Tariq's number and discussed it. Then again this might be a ploy for Roland to invite Tariq on his show or vice versa. I know Roland don't say everything he wanna say foreal.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

Roland way more than Tariq though. Roland should've handled it privately. Since he dind't, anything that comes next is on him. Was Tariq supposed to let that shit slide?

I agree that Roland started it.

But remember, this is bigger than both of them, than us. They both represent something greater than themselves and their egos. These are two people who are in the position of having an audience and giving us a voice. Those aren't positions to be taken lightly. We need to use those, as they both have, to confront racism and generate love and brotherhood. NOT to tear each other down.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

Yea they really should have just called and talked to each other. Roland could have called Dr.Boyce and ask for Tariq's number and discussed it. Then again this might be a ploy for Roland to invite Tariq on his show or vice versa. I know Roland don't say everything he wanna say foreal.

And that's the thing: we've all been there. Someone says some shit, and then it's on. We go in on him, shit escalates, etc. Pride won't let us back down, and all we do is make shit worse.

Meanwhile, we're still being executed. Our women are still being disrespected and assaulted, our children are still vulnerable.

When we learn to ignore the bullshit, handle shit like men, and stay focused, our families and our people reap the benefits.

 

[WestIndianArchie]

You guys must not know any of these Jack and Jill/Boule folks. Most are down for the cause, but they aren't the march in the street types. Many do support financially

Umar/Tariq are trying to create an artificial boogie man.

Yea they really should have just called and talked to each other. Roland could have called Dr.Boyce and ask for Tariq's number and discussed it. Then again this might be a ploy for Roland to invite Tariq on his show or vice versa. I know Roland don't say everything he wanna say foreal.

A, Dr.Umar Johnson cool with Roland's bucc dancing I guess. He Hosted Rolands show one week, which is surprising. I thought that was Rolands new strategy, like Charlamagne, get those who already talk that talk to talk it on your platform, and dry co-sign them to keep your blacc card, cuz massa gon make you coon in this media game.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

A, Dr.Umar Johnson cool with Roland's bucc dancing I guess. He Hosted Rolands show one week, which is surprising. I thought that was Rolands new strategy, like Charlamagne, get those who already talk that talk to talk it on your platform, and dry co-sign them to keep your blacc card, cuz massa gon make you coon in this media game.

But man that dancing with Hilary shit really got me, that was probably before Umar hosted but goddamn that shit surprised me. Really WTF was Roland thinking?

 

[big pimp]

I kinda agree here. Normally I rock with Tariq 100%, but lately he's been backing some lost causes. First it was the chick from Randallstown, MD who we initially thought was killed by police after prolonged harassment over some traffic violations. Turns out, she was one of those sovereign citizen nuts who believe that no laws apply to them except God's. She tried to fight for that belief in her living room with a shotgun instead of a courtroom with a lawyer and effectively committed suicide by cop.

Now he's on Dr. Drew defending this actress who he has already clowned on his show several times. To paraphrase, she was a negro bed wench having gutter sex in public with her white boyfriend and tried to pull the race card when the cops came and got her Negro wake up call. He's actually in agreement with the two women on the panel, but for some reason he just being contrarian solely for the sake of argument. Not a good look.

Don't believe the cops!!

 

[dHustla]

the one that isnt a puppet for the democratic party

!!! Preach!

 

[theteacher]

dog u chase me around like a messy little girl. feel how u want to feel.
makes me no matter.

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chill. don't put no shit like this in the world man.

My wife tells me this all the time... you RIGHT!!!

 

[Drayonis]

Anyone in here taking sides is part of the problem. We are all losing when these cats go at each other.

 

[mozartte]

Please take Neely Fuller's advice and not bicker but debate. You both are still in the prison with chains. Dont argue over who chain shines the most.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

Anyone in here taking sides is part of the problem. We are all losing when these cats go at each other.

Don't worry something is going to happen much sooner than later that will make us realize how real shit is.

 

[VAiz4hustlaz]

Its profitable enough that he's continuing on with it. He's making bread from those DVD's, bro ... AND speaking engagements. I'm sure he's selling merch, too.

I just saw a video with dude streaming live, and someone asked him how could they get him to come to their city, and dude ... if you're a Tariq supporter, you'll defend it, but it was the way he came off when he said basically that there is one way to get him and that is to get the money right. He said it like it was obvious that thats what it takes to get him, and it just came off like this is why he does what he does. I saw a video on FB that someone posted of Sotomayor "exposing" Tariq saying that if he won the Powerball jackpot - thats when it was up over a bil - that he wasn't making no more DVD's or nothing. Some people said he was just joking, but considering I see dude as a hustler, its believable to ME.

Dude went from Flex to this new enlightened brotha in the blink of an eye. I didn't follow Flex, but I saw dudes on BGOL talking about him all the time, and the next thing I know, dude is now conscious, and asking for money to fund Hidden Colors 1.

It is what it is, man.

My gut tells me nobody makes that big of a transformation that damn fast. But I don't need to trust his motives ...

.... as long as he's providing information, I won't knock what he's doing.

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

And it now seems like every week these brothers/sisters in the movement are going at each other proving further that black unity ultimately is a myth.

Youre equating "Black unity" to the a few egotistical Black people that you see in the spotlight.
Youre part of the problem yourself....

its all for ratings...

most of us are united and have common ground on many things..


televison doesnt even come close to representing how a majority of us feel..

Yeah.....
All these Brothers speak a lot of truth, but at times you wonder whose serious and who aint.
They need to take notes from one another and create something big.
But the lack of trust, egos and different agendas prevents some people from doing that.

And youre correct, television doesnt depict "whats real". Thats why you have both Black and White people ASSUMING that Black people are lazy and only respond when a Black person is killed by White people. If they turned off their televisions and actually got involved/communicated with the people who live in these high crime areas then theyd know otherwise.

As for Tariq.....Tariq is a business Man whose trying to make a name for himself. And I support what he's doing because he puts out quality products and says whats real. He may call Black people out from time to time (if they play that "coon" role), but for the most part he doesnt go hard at anyone until they go after him.

The Sister in that video seemed to have a problem with Tariq attaching "a color" to the conversation. Theres a lot of people who feel like progress cant be made once you start attaching race to the conversation. Mainly because racism is a sensitive subject that could further divide instead of unify. But how long do you have to bite your words to make other folks feel comfortable?

When you say BLM, people assume that youre saying everyone whose not Black doesnt matter. When you say Police Race soldiers, people assume youre saying all police are race soldiers. Uncontrollable emotions, selfishness, lack of comprehension, lack of compassion etc .....those are just a few things that makes folks misconstrue the message.