** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **
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huh?
In Season One, why did D'Angelo lie to Wallace, Poot and Bodie about killing the chick in the apartment?
cuz d wanted to be hard.
Yup, since he was there he figured he might as well take credit, his body count would be 2 instead of one.
It seems as though that chick's death haunted him, the way he kept saying "Tap, tap, tap!" from when Wee-Bay was tapping on the window.
Stringer is being made out to be a lightweight and he wasn't.
His problem was he was a lieutenant with boss dreams, as long as HIS emotions weren't involved his advice was invaluable to Avon.
In the Italian Mob world he would have been Avon's consigliere, smart enough to keep the ship nudged and going in the right direction, but never, ever should be left to steer.
Remember it was he who rightly figured that the police had the pay phones tapped.
And in answer to what people have been saying about him and Avon on how to handle Marlo, BOTH were actually right and if they had combined their thinking they would have been rid of Marlo AND made money.
Avon was correct in saying/thinking that Marlo needed to be taken out and protecting the turf that was already theirs, Bodie and Poot were correct in their thinking.
Stringer was correct in wanting to change to Prop Joe's product, something Avon didn't want to do.
Avon wasn't getting a clear picture of what was happening in the streets, when West side fiends were willing to go to the East side to get better product tied with Bodie and other crews not being able to sell theirs, you know your shit is fucking wack, they were losing money on volume alone, and the word about good shit passes like wildfire thru fiends.
If he had convinced Avon of this, Brother never ends up on the wrong side of Stringer.
Stringer was also correct in taking out D.
Peeps have to see it from their POV, even though WE knew he was changing, he had already done a bunch of stupid shit like protecting Wallace and writing that letter to the family of the maintenance man.
No matter what Avon did, D continued to give Avon the cold shoulder in prison, if the police were able to talk him into writhing a letter, what if they used other info to turn him?
If he just acted normal towards Avon but told him he was looking to head in a different direction he would have been better off, even though Stringer tapping Donnette probably had just as much to do with him green lighting D.
Kenard was slept on on the show, he was the next up and coming Marlo.
As pointed out before, it was Kenard that took Namond's stash after Namond took a $4 short from Michael's moms', remember that Namond himself said in that class, "Never allow shorts, you will be viewed as weak!", too bad he didn't follow his OWN advice, but he wasn't one for that world anyway.
The MOST absolute gangsta on the show was...Clay Davis!
Not only did he game Stringer out of some $250,000 and wasn't worried about him trying to come back on him, but he played BOTH sides of every fence of the people he dealt with...AND SMILED IN THEIR FACES!!!
Carcetti was an idealistic politician who did have a vision and was slapped cold and hard in the face by...REALITY!!!
Just as Obama has been in his first 2 years in office, what people say in public and what they do behind closed doors is two TOTALLY different things, one hand ALWAYS washes the other, it is the way of politics!!!
Chris DEFINITELY had to have some sort of military training and from the way he physically beat Michael's stepdad? to death showed he had his own past with a molester, that beating was emotional, remember that he didn't even wait till they got into a vacant and Snoop had to stop him.
Weird thing is, the one death he did that way (emotionally) was the one they were able to pin on him, which is actually usually the case.
His problem was he was a lieutenant with boss dreams, as long as HIS emotions weren't involved his advice was invaluable to Avon.
In the Italian Mob world he would have been Avon's consigliere, smart enough to keep the ship nudged and going in the right direction, but never, ever should be left to steer.
Remember it was he who rightly figured that the police had the pay phones tapped.
And in answer to what people have been saying about him and Avon on how to handle Marlo, BOTH were actually right and if they had combined their thinking they would have been rid of Marlo AND made money.
Avon was correct in saying/thinking that Marlo needed to be taken out and protecting the turf that was already theirs, Bodie and Poot were correct in their thinking.
Stringer was correct in wanting to change to Prop Joe's product, something Avon didn't want to do.
Avon wasn't getting a clear picture of what was happening in the streets, when West side fiends were willing to go to the East side to get better product tied with Bodie and other crews not being able to sell theirs, you know your shit is fucking wack, they were losing money on volume alone, and the word about good shit passes like wildfire thru fiends.
If he had convinced Avon of this, Brother never ends up on the wrong side of Stringer.
Stringer was also correct in taking out D.
Peeps have to see it from their POV, even though WE knew he was changing, he had already done a bunch of stupid shit like protecting Wallace and writing that letter to the family of the maintenance man.
No matter what Avon did, D continued to give Avon the cold shoulder in prison, if the police were able to talk him into writhing a letter, what if they used other info to turn him?
If he just acted normal towards Avon but told him he was looking to head in a different direction he would have been better off, even though Stringer tapping Donnette probably had just as much to do with him green lighting D.
Kenard was slept on on the show, he was the next up and coming Marlo.
As pointed out before, it was Kenard that took Namond's stash after Namond took a $4 short from Michael's moms', remember that Namond himself said in that class, "Never allow shorts, you will be viewed as weak!", too bad he didn't follow his OWN advice, but he wasn't one for that world anyway.
The MOST absolute gangsta on the show was...Clay Davis!
Not only did he game Stringer out of some $250,000 and wasn't worried about him trying to come back on him, but he played BOTH sides of every fence of the people he dealt with...AND SMILED IN THEIR FACES!!!
Carcetti was an idealistic politician who did have a vision and was slapped cold and hard in the face by...REALITY!!!
Just as Obama has been in his first 2 years in office, what people say in public and what they do behind closed doors is two TOTALLY different things, one hand ALWAYS washes the other, it is the way of politics!!!
Chris DEFINITELY had to have some sort of military training and from the way he physically beat Michael's stepdad? to death showed he had his own past with a molester, that beating was emotional, remember that he didn't even wait till they got into a vacant and Snoop had to stop him.
Weird thing is, the one death he did that way (emotionally) was the one they were able to pin on him, which is actually usually the case.
Great analysis. I swear we could offer an accredited course on The Wire here on BGOL
Great analysis. I swear we could offer an accredited course on The Wire here on BGOL
Great analysis indeed
Great breakdown. Agree across the board. Kenard was a sociopathic motherfucker. JUST LIKE MARLO. Great analogy.
If Clay was the #1 Gangsta on the show, Levy was 1a.
This! Thats it, season one will be on as soon as I get home. Its time for a Wire marathon
i disagree with both of the above observations.
if the wire was the godfather, stringer bell wouldn't have been a consigliere, he would've been fredo.
and stringer's "business model" was proven to be a failure TWICE. once with the barksdale operation and posthumously again with the co-op.
stringer bell didn't have the intelligence, foresight or planning skills to be a #2 or even a #5. stringer was all flash no substance, all talk no game, smoke and mirrors personified.
One thing you keep bypassing...THEY WERE ALREADY ON TOP!!!
Avon AND Stringer built EVERYTHING together, nothing was handed to Stringer like it was to Fredo to just fuck up!
You don't get there by NOT being shrewd and savvy about your dealings and that's on both fronts, they controlled the Towers AND they controlled real estate in the downtown area that was rezoned for developement with Clay Davis' help.
The real estate wasn't going @ the pace Stringer wanted it to go, BUT IT WAS STILL GOING TO MAKE THEM LEGIT AND STILL MAKE THEM MONEY!!!
Stringer DID have the intelligence vs. the police, you forget what they had to go thru to break the codes they were using, the fact that they were using pagers NOT cell phones, and the fact that they even had to use BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY to catch Stringer by directly catching phone calls from the cell towers themselves to get Stringer's number.
Avon was best suited for the streets, they had a symbiotic relationship, two halves of the whole, when one half was taken away (Avon going to jail) BOTH suffered!
Clay Davis had already done his part, he just took him for A WHOLE LOT more than he was worth, this was the show showing us that politics was just as corrupt as drug dealing, hell even moreso.
Stringer WAS NOT FREDO, (even though the analogy of Avon reluctantly having to sign off on Stringer works for you here) Stringer got caught up BECAUSE he crossed Avon (using Prop Joe's package when Avon specifically said not to) I addressed this already, it's the same as American cars vs. Japanese, Avon was down to selling Plymouths while Prop Joe was selling Toyotas for the same price.
Stringer had the foresight to try to convince Avon to sell Nissans, but he didn't.
Where is Plymouth now?
Since Avon was behind bars he couldn't see this, and let us ALL remember how long and what it took to bring them down, the insulation of Avon and Stringer was mostly due to Stringer, but as I said, he was no more than a lieutenant with Boss dreams.
Stringer's mistakes were simple, he applied the wrong rules to the wrong games, street rules to the real world and real world rules to the streets.
And all of ya'll are right, Levy was DEFINITELY 1A!!!
I noticed that too. Both times he told the story, after he says the "tap-tap tap-tap" he gets quiet and goes into a blank stare.
I used to think D'Angelo was kinda smart for the way he ran The Pit and that the shit that happened in the towers that got him in court was just a fucked up situation. But he just did a lot of stupid shit. He just wasn't built for the game.
that scene prolly haunted his ass.
he was born into it but was definitely not built for it.
Great analysis. I swear we could offer an accredited course on The Wire here on BGOL
wrong. stringer was a coat-tail rider of the highest order. stringer didn't do shit, it was all the barksdale family.
you're assuming that stringer somehow contributed in some (any?) way to this other than just being there. stringer was there because they grew up together. that's it.
it's no coincidence that the writers put TWO examples from stringer and avon's childhood memories that demonstrated that stringer just didn't have the aptitude (or the heart) for the game.
also, acquiring the towers and subsequently holding the towers was all about avon, so that's just another example of stringer going along for the ride.
controlled real estate? more like purchased real estate, and was holding it for pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams that the developers knew stringer was a big enough fool to fall for. and fall stringer did, hook, line and sinker.
evidence to support this claim? this was the THEORY. the EMPTY VISION CON that real life "land banking" marks get suckered into EVERY DAY in california. they got people out here believing that WORTHLESS high desert land is going to be built up and developed after the mythical bullet train links los angeles with las vegas.
i have extensive first hand knowledge about these 2 points, so let me share with you.
first, the "code" you credit to stringer was in real life developed by children.
second, the "brand new technology" wasn't new. triggerfish are and were seldom used in wiretap cases.
that is an easy and faulty assumption. but the fact is that the barksdale organization crumbled: (a) without avon at the helm, and simultaneously (b) with stringer bell unilaterally calling the shots.
wrong. stringer was a coat-tail rider of the highest order. stringer didn't do shit, it was all the barksdale family.
you're assuming that stringer somehow contributed in some (any?) way to this other than just being there. stringer was there because they grew up together. that's it.
it's no coincidence that the writers put TWO examples from stringer and avon's childhood memories that demonstrated that stringer just didn't have the aptitude (or the heart) for the game.
also, acquiring the towers and subsequently holding the towers was all about avon, so that's just another example of stringer going along for the ride.
controlled real estate? more like purchased real estate, and was holding it for pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams that the developers knew stringer was a big enough fool to fall for. and fall stringer did, hook, line and sinker.
evidence to support this claim? this was the THEORY. the EMPTY VISION CON that real life "land banking" marks get suckered into EVERY DAY in california. they got people out here believing that WORTHLESS high desert land is going to be built up and developed after the mythical bullet train links los angeles with las vegas.
i have extensive first hand knowledge about these 2 points, so let me share with you.
first, the "code" you credit to stringer was in real life developed by children.
second, the "brand new technology" wasn't new. triggerfish are and were seldom used in wiretap cases.
that is an easy and faulty assumption. but the fact is that the barksdale organization crumbled: (a) without avon at the helm, and simultaneously (b) with stringer bell unilaterally calling the shots.
I disagree ... stringer was the brain and avon was the heart ... string and avon both built the operation into damn near a city wide syndicate ... on the edge of their most success it all fell apart ... but this was as DJmark says AFTER they were on the top of the game
see avon wanted the power and string wanted the money so when it was time to pursue the power and go to war with Marlo or try to go legit they broke up ... both of them failed to achieve their dream because of this split ... string got conned and avon almost got murked by chris ...
Cranrab... You need to stop making shit up. You are adding your own vision to the show, but that dont make it fact.
We didnt see their come-up. Remember?
You cannot refer to Stringer as a simple "hanger-on". There is NOTHING to support that. Your own imagination does not count.
We do see that Avon "lives" for the game, while Stringer is only trying to "use" the game for his own ends, while never fully understanding it. Thats plain for everyone to see. Both dudes had their strengths and their weaknesses. Avon paid for being a hot-head, Stringer paid cause he thought himself smarter then everyone else.
We didnt see their come-up. Remember?
You cannot refer to Stringer as a simple "hanger-on". There is NOTHING to support that. Your own imagination does not count.
We do see that Avon "lives" for the game, while Stringer is only trying to "use" the game for his own ends, while never fully understanding it. Thats plain for everyone to see. Both dudes had their strengths and their weaknesses. Avon paid for being a hot-head, Stringer paid cause he thought himself smarter then everyone else.
do their own statements recollecting the past count? are you saying that avon never talked about how it all began? the work that his family put in before him?
if there's one thing EVERYONE on BGOL knows about cranrab, it's that he doesn't make shit up.
LW,
if your characterization is true, then what do the events depicted in the show say about "the brain"?
that much should be obvious.
the proof of avon's method being tried and true was clearly shown to be successful. after obtaining the connect and controlling the package, which method did marlo use to usurp control? more pointedly, did marlo lay back in the cut, confident that he had the best product? no.
what did marlo do? he used avon's method and snatched up corners by force.
wrong. stringer was a coat-tail rider of the highest order. stringer didn't do shit, it was all the barksdale family.
you're assuming that stringer somehow contributed in some (any?) way to this other than just being there. stringer was there because they grew up together. that's it.
it's no coincidence that the writers put TWO examples from stringer and avon's childhood memories that demonstrated that stringer just didn't have the aptitude (or the heart) for the game.
also, acquiring the towers and subsequently holding the towers was all about avon, so that's just another example of stringer going along for the ride.
controlled real estate? more like purchased real estate, and was holding it for pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams that the developers knew stringer was a big enough fool to fall for. and fall stringer did, hook, line and sinker.
evidence to support this claim? this was the THEORY. the EMPTY VISION CON that real life "land banking" marks get suckered into EVERY DAY in california. they got people out here believing that WORTHLESS high desert land is going to be built up and developed after the mythical bullet train links los angeles with las vegas.
i have extensive first hand knowledge about these 2 points, so let me share with you.
first, the "code" you credit to stringer was in real life developed by children.
second, the "brand new technology" wasn't new. triggerfish are and were seldom used in wiretap cases.
that is an easy and faulty assumption. but the fact is that the barksdale organization crumbled: (a) without avon at the helm, and simultaneously (b) with stringer bell unilaterally calling the shots.
EVERYTIME Avon and Stringer spoke, their words were the same, "WE" this and "WE" that, @ no time was their an "I" did anything, from their reminisces all the way up to present day, it's YOUR inference that Stringer was a coat-tail rider, there's no evidence to support this.
String may not have had the aptitude but he DID have the heart, he didn't quit like D'Angelo was, he rode hard with Avon throughout their childhood (balcony scene where they spoke about String stealing a badminton set) on into adulthood (scene where when Avon was released from jail and saw that his corners were being run by Marlo, he and String spoke about going to war, String says "Take a long deep breath...know that if you call the shot we @ war, I'm there like I always been!", does that sound like the words of a coat-tail rider and if he was, why didn't Avon call him on it???
The real estate was not land purchased waiting for right-of-way rights, nor was it any "land banking" scheme, the condos were already being built (remember , this was where Stringer was killed @), Stringer wanted the untapped faucet of federal money which would have meant more money for him and Avon, regardless of that THEY STILL OWNED CONDOMINIUMS, NOT JUST LAND!!!
The real estate game is slow but ALWAYS makes money, Stringer wanted the real estate money to turn over fast like drug money, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, hell even Donald Trump IS STILL IN COURT over a real estate deal he has going since 2006 out @ Jones Beach here in NY called "Trump on the Ocean".
story:http://articles.nydailynews.com/201..._donald-trump-flood-zone-boardwalk-restaurant
Lester was tracking the real estate purchases that B&B had already made, this was how he was going to take down the Barksdale set-up, if this stuff was worthless, why bother tracking it???
You are also inserting your own knowledge about "triggerfish" into the discussion, remember that the Baltimore police department not only didn't have it, they had no idea of what it was, they got it from the FBI in which the agent described it as "something new."
It was some sort of step up from what they had been using.
You are also discounting the moves Avon was doing behind bars, it was Avon who called in Brother Mouzzone from behind bars and told Stringer it was already done, which was the beginning of the end for Stringer and the Barkdale set-up.
Remember that because Stringer lied to Omar about Brother and Brother finding this out after Omar shot him, the Barksdale crew had a hard time securing serious muscle AND Brother and Omar went straight for Stringer for setting BOTH of them up.
Stringer acknoledged that he should have taken care of Marlo earlier, and he FURTHER fucked up by trying to treat Marlo as a businessman, but they would not have gotten that far if they didn't work together, it was because they were working separately that led to their downfall!!!
Go to 1:10, Stringer was ALWAYS there, even Avon always refers to what they've done as "we".
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no inference required. in this thread, in the show, there is a paucity, a dearth of evidence to support a claim that stringer bell contributed positively in ANY way, shape or form to the organization.
i'll make it plain. the stringer bell character had all the accoutrements that one needs to masquerade as a businessman. that's why he has so many fans. it certainly can't be a following based on MERIT. because stringer bell has NONE.
thanks for providing another example of how STUPID stringer bell was from childhood. avon (the wiser of the 2) advised him not to steal the badminton set, as they both recall (and agreed) that stringer had absolutely NO use for it.
did you really watch the episode? do his words ring true to you? isn't that the same scene that avon chastises the lowly stringer bell for talking out of turn? wasn't stringer bell nervously frantic that avon would discover his disloyal machinations at that time?
c'mon.
funny that you use the same word that clay davis used in the CON. "faucet"
it sounds as though you bought into the same CON that stringer did.
you're looking upon them as an asset, when they were simply money pits used to drain a mark.
and you say i'm making inferences?
c'mon.
part of any good narcotics investigation is investigating the money trail. this is done to prepare a list of assets for potential forfeiture. did lester freamon (or anyone else) ever establish that the various properties were fruit of any criminal enterprise?
how you figure i'm discounting that? i fully credit avon for that call. and it was the right call. avon had no way of anticipating that stringer bell would prove to be MONUMENTALLY stupid and venture out UNILATERALLY with his dumb ass double dealing play with prop joe.
this is just more evidence that stringer bell was a panicky BITCH. their situation got hot, they lost their connect, and stringer bell decides to make an executive decision he wasn't qualified to make.
i agree that STRINGER'S stupid ploy was very much the beginning of the end for the barksdale organization.
yes. i've pointed this out in threads myself.
but this is MORE evidence of how stringer bell was a nervous BITCH, who concocted childish schemes while miserably attempting to play a grown man's game.
again, yes. MORE examples of how useless stringer bell was.
in their meetings, marlo ALWAYS let that dumb ass stringer run his mouth. marlo sized him up correctly every time, and knew that stringer was more cut out to be a used car salesman, not a player in the game.
and a small distinction: it isn't really sufficient to claim that avon and stringer were working separately. it's more accurate to say that stringer bell was working AGAINST avon barksdale.
I think Kenard was mos def a sociopath, but more like Lil Ze in City of God.
He was too small to hang with the big dogs. Without a gun he got smacked the fuck up.
He would've got caught without his whistle one day and got smoked like the Runts did Ze
he was a sneaky little fucker though...He might have been the next Omar
do their own statements recollecting the past count? are you saying that avon never talked about how it all began? the work that his family put in before him?
if there's one thing EVERYONE on BGOL knows about cranrab, it's that he doesn't make shit up.
A few anecdotes dont constitute their come up. You think you know someone's past after hearing 2-3 anecdotes they tell you? It retarded to even suggest so.
Avon himself has never stated that Stringer was a simple "hanger-on". Neither did his sister.
Stop making shit up and deal with what we DO know.
LOL, funny how you have COMPLETELY dismissed the scene that I just posted where BOTH Avon AND Stringer say "WE" several times when referring to the past, and the quote that I posted SHOWS that Stringer was there when Avon went to war, you on the other hand, have not shown thru either lines, scenes or even inference that Stringer was a coat-tail rider.
EVEN in their famous fight scene, where Avon is making moves against Marlo W/O consulting Stringer, @ no point does he say ANYTHING about him being a coat-tail rider, ONLY that fact that he doesn't have a taste for blood, only money, which is what EVERYBODY here has already posted!
Tom (the Godfather's consigliere) NEVER advised him on who to kill, ONLY on how to run the business, throughout season 1 Avon DID NOT MAKE 1 MOVE W/O CONSULTING STRINGER, when he got out from jail, things were decidely different!!!
BOTH of these things are evidenced in this, their fight scene.
Oh, and Stringer shutting down the pay phones was not positive?
Stringer was also the one who passed along the idea of "burners" when he came out and spoke to D and his crew, just before they took out the pay phones.
It was also his idea for D'Angelo to stop paying his people, to find out who possibly was snitching.
While there was no snitch (since the police's info was coming from the pay phones, which Stringer had shut down), D did find out that the girl was dipping.
If Stringer had no merit, why did EVERYONE on the street give him respect as Avon's right-hand, his voice on the street?
NO ONE spoke out of pocket about Stringer when Stringer wasn't around, if he were a "coat-tail rider" as you say, wouldn't the writers have put in @ least 1 person saying SOMETHING negative about him or his come-up?
Especially AFTER the meeting in the funeral parlor when Poot spoke up???
Not one word playa...not one!
But did he steal the set? Yes.
Dudes monetary ambitions were becoming clearly evident but Avon was clearly bent on going to war against Marlo, WHICH WORKED COMPLETELY AGAINST EVERYTHING STRINGER HAD DONE, why wouldn't he be nervous???
Of course I used the term "faucet" because when the federal money rolls in, that's what it's like, JUST LIKE THE DRUG GAME, you have more money rolling in than you know what to do with, you don't have to worry about people paying rent or selling units, the government pays on time, everytime, the same day every month!
Remember that even one of the other members of the co-op had a real estate game going with the council president, once again with Stringer he had viable condominiums under construction, not land he was waiting for the city to buy.
No inference needed here, this real estate was the reason Lester Freamon knew that if they were going to take down the Barksdsale organization, it had to be done soon, if they finished those condominiums it was game over for their investigation, @ this point they would become, as Lester referred to them as, "the bank".
Clay Davis wasn't using the real estate as a con, he was using what Stringer wanted to do with the real estate as a con, don't get it twisted!
Beginning of the scene points out numbers are down (due to inferior product), scene with Levy points out that Stringer thought he paid Davis for expeditted permits and bribes, NOT THE ACTUAL BUYING OF ANY REAL ESTATE!!!
Again, you're applying yourself to the situation, while Avon made the correct move bringing in Brother, HE FUCKED UP BY NOT LISTENING TO STRINGER ABOUT CHANGING OVER TO PROP JOE'S PRODUCT, did you forget that ALL OF THEIR NUMBERS WHERE DOWN DUE TO INFERIOR PRODUCT, the fiends were travelling to the East side to buy, to use my analogy from earlier, peeps starting buying Japanese cars in droves some 25~30 years ago, have they returned to American???
You are 100% correct about Marlo, but on your second point you are inserting yourself again.
Show me one, just one scene where Avon holds a meeting OF ANY KIND without Stringer from season 1?
Now flash forward to AFTER he gets out of jail, hell, the scene I posted above also backs this up!
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Nah... Omar had a code. Kenard would've thought having a code makes you soft. In the prequels where they showed Omar as a youngin, he refused to take the working man's money. Kenard wouldn't have gave two shits about that.
nothing like Kenard at all
And that wasn't rocket-science either,it was only a matter of time everyone knew the pay phones were tapped.
I think that would be everyone's first reaction,espacially when it comes to money but in the end I beleive Avon was ok with the way things went and turned out because with the shuffling of things it showed who was & wasn't built for the game,who was loyal & disloyal and who needed "X'ed" out.
Taking Marlo out would have put the spot-light back on him at the time him nor his organization needed that heat back on him.
Even if "Dee" was on the fence of breaking down,it wasn't Stringer Bell's call to make the decision to have Dee killed.Not at that point in the game and not without talking to your right-hand man who happens to his uncle.Im sad that Dee was murder because I beleive he would have came out of prison a better man but on the flipside of that Im happy Stringer ordered the hit because it showed Avon that he couldn't be trusted.Remember Avon told him several times,"Don't worry about it, I'll handle him".
He was still too young for anyone to conclude what type of chararistics who would take after.Kenard to me was just some bad-ass kid doing bad ass adult things.Besides they didn't give any background or history on him because he was just one of the bunch of youngings coming up of age in B-more.
That wasn't that gangsta,he knew exactly who he was dealing with,as if he had done it many times before-hand.Gangsta,no,theif,yes and remember they booted him out of office and if he was so gangsta he still would have been there.
Now he had some issue's,the rest of them just didn't have a conscious nor care in the world.
Cranrab, your observations are extremely sharp cept for when it comes to this issue of Stringer.
I could be wrong but I think you see the error in your ways bro and in true bgol style, you just refuse to back down from your initial stance.
I could be wrong but I think you see the error in your ways bro and in true bgol style, you just refuse to back down from your initial stance.
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your mind and your heart have to work together ... that what it says
avon's method landed him in jail .... here's some free game
you see there is a set of principles needed to establish a business ... another to become the leader in business ... and yet another to stay on top once you get there ... marlo's method might get you to the top but not for long ...
as you remember form the grumblings at the last co-op meeting it was a matter of time before someone took marlo out (police or rival) ... that's even before snoop and chris got taken out ... his murderous way strike fear in people but sooner or later that fear turns to hatred and then retaliation ... especially dealing with underworld figures
I could be wrong but I think you see the error in your ways bro and in true bgol style, you just refuse to back down from your initial stance.
i'm not incorrect. people have based their conclusions on stringer's suits and TALK about his empty dreams. they want to talk about what stringer wanted, not what he actually did.
stringer's fans are impressed by his fanciful notions that he could become a legit businessman. it hurts them too much to admit that nothing could be further from the truth: stringer bell wasn't a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" character like tony montana in scarface, he was a mark.
if you look back over the past 12 pages (and the first 3 seasons of the show) of this thread, you will find NUMEROUS examples of stringer bell moving the barksdale organization backward. at the same time, you would be extremely hard pressed to offer up even a single example of stringer bell propelling the barksdale organization forward.
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TMM, below is a direct quote from the show site character bio. keep in mind that this description is fully half of the entire character bio:
[Russell "Stringer" Bell's] efforts to reform the violence and gangsterism of the drug trade - amoral though they were - ultimately led to a complicated series of maneuvers that backfired, resulting in his ambush at the hands of Brother Mouzone and Omar Little - an ambush that Avon Barksdale was required to accept in order to maintain his standing with the New York drug suppliers with whom Mouzone has strong standing.
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mind (you initially referred to "brain", but we can use "mind" now) and heart must work in unison. correct.
but as i pointed out in an earlier response, mind and heart were not working together. but it was worse than that. in your characterization, mind (stringer) was working AGAINST heart (avon).
this is nothing new. this is an organizational concept as old as the bible: Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand
to the other point above, it wasn't "avon's method" that "landed him in jail". once again, it was stringer bell who responsible for that cowardly act.
honestly, i didn't dismiss it at all.
i chose not to respond because i think you don't comprehend how that scene works AGAINST your point and not in favor of it.
you don't see that scene as avon MOCKING stringer?
you don't see avon DISTANCING himself from stringer in that scene?
you focus on the use of the word "we", but what is so special about that? they were boys. for years they considered one another family. they grew up together, so why not speak in terms of "we"?
this "we" argument is so flimsy that i will explode it in the next sentences.
what farewell remark did avon use with stringer after avon obtained the information he needed for brother mouzone to execute stringer? was that an utterance of solidarity?
in fact, throughout that tremendous balcony scene (which you have purposely avoided) what happened to "we"? it was all "i", "me", "you".
first, let's be clear for others in the thread who may not know who you're referring to. you are talking about fat face rick.
second, i think you need to revisit the conversation between detectives sydnor and freamon regarding the reasoning behind where B&B purchased the properties.