** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **
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Damn, POOT!?? You got Stringer soft as a MUTHA fugga
But I think Avon would probably draft WEEBAY and Slim first not Boadie
If Bay was around, things probably would've turned better for them
@ Poot and Wallacegood break down like I stated before Sting wasn't built for that shit.
The co-op was the master peice of Prop-Joe's and I say that because who benefitted the most out of it?Prop-Joe.
There was only two pipelines,Prop Joe and the Greeks and once Marlo figured out that if he could get some type of connection straight to the Greeks he would stop being at the mercy of Pro-Joe who was also being supplied by the Greeks.The Ill part about it is Avon position himself between the two to be able to broker a deal with both when everything else failed....that's gangsterism at it's finest.
Also people undermind Prop Joe's ability to be in everything,without being too involved.From Avon,Marlo,Omar,The Greeks and city council.
which was my point. stringer wanted to go bird watching with a group of blind individuals, it just wont work. he's trying to mold them into a corporation but none of them went to a school to be in the position they're in. they all had blood on their hands and name. they might have been looking for a way to slow down but not bow out and go soft.
marlo played the game raw from jump. he played it how avon played it honestly. fuck all you knew dudes i have my real crew and my real friends. if youre solid you can join too but you'll never be on my 2 friends level (chris snoop).
Stringer bell was calvin. indirectly stringer really was a product of nepotism. no avon no stringer no co-sign from the real dude, the fake guy can't come through and act hard "niggas in pink suits/tryna look cute"
nothing stringer did was fucking successful. he didnt keep the connect pure form ny when avon was gone. he didn't hold onto the property when avon was gone. he didn't hold onto orlando's once avon was gone, had them set up in a fucking funeral home in the middle of the hood. none of the buildings they bought were worth shit. none of them came through all it did was drain drug money with no results. all of those buildings gave lester the case that they needed in order to keep the wire running. if they had no shit like avon wanted there would be no wire. once he found out he's buying whole complexes and streets then there's a case. none of his classes he took helped them in the game. none of the hits he tried to orchestrate EVER worked out in the long run sans d'angelo. he ended up snitching for no reason other than to save his own skin even though the reason he's in trouble is because he tried to fuck over the wrong people. instead of just killing marlo he tried to play the brother and marlo like they were two chumps. keep playing those game and they caught up. he knew avon was a real dude and the game is the game so he knew his time was up so what did string do? hit up a random ass officer he has no history with and snitched out the dude that put him on in the 1st place.
Damn, POOT!?? You got Stringer soft as a MUTHA fugga
But I think Avon would probably draft WEEBAY and Slim first not Boadie
If Bay was around, things probably would've turned better for them
youre right he'd pick weebay and slim charles.
ask yourself this question, who did stringer bring into the fold that actually did anything at all right?
orlando snitched and ended up gettin the whole little safe house shut down
those two little knuckle head dudes that went out with cutty who tried to shoot omar on a sunday going against the code, who brought them in? string did
string didn't bring anyone in that was worth anything.
when boadie and all of them slim charles etc etc were complaining about how the game was now....they never said shit like "Man i wish string was here or man if string was able man everything would be good" they'd always begin and end the sentence with Avon
every time string tried to do some shit and it didnt work out he'd try to run to the gangster side
avon exposed him so many damn times
there are so many more but i won't even go into it.
for me it goes
avon and marlo
then everyone else as far as the drug shit goes.
prop joe had his name going for him and his connect going for him. he tried his best to stay out of everything while having his hand in everything. prop joe lasted so long because he always made it seem like you were getting over on him instead of it being the other way around. prop joe was too trusting and he was looking for someone to take over for him. cheese was a disappointment to him, otherwise cheese would have been next up. cheese didn't even know what was going on. he was blind in the game. he wanted to fuck bitches and shoot niggas and fight dogs that's it.
marlo showed some interest and joe thought that he could mold marlo have him under him then hand it to marlo and go ahead and just get a cut from the co-op after marlo runs it. what he didn't understand is that marlo is the new model. marlo is really a crazy ass individual. marlo had other sides that nobody else saw which is what caught them in the trap. they thought he was cheese but he was really avon. joe taught him everything marlo soaked it up and then ended joe. joe couldnt do anything about it either. he shared the game and that was that. when it was time for marlo to give it up he just named a number and that was that. you peep how in the end he's in the fancy place where stringer literally died to get to where stringer dreamed his whole life of being...to be accepted and hob knob. BUT marlo exited and went back to his comfort zone. marlo got away with everything he had millions of dollars not a care or worry in the world but he's on the corner fighting dudes almost getting shot then posted up. like cutty said when he resigned the game wasn't in him. it was and always will be in marlo. its in avon as well. slim was never and can never be a leader he's just a good soldier i mean again only avon and marlo were living this shit. everybody else was just pretending as far as kingpins go.
he wasn't no ronald mcdonald, he was the hamburglar. another one of his fuckups that had dire consequences was with omar. remember omar was ready to squash beef and disappear? but what'd stupid ass stringer bell do? go try and hit omar with his family after church during a sunday truce. it was that incident that motivated omar to renew his fight and come back hard. that bitch was dumb as cheese, only cheese didn't try to hide his.
naw nigga you get the fuck outta here
Yep and that was a great characteristic of Avon, he could hustle where there was seemingly no hustle. You thought all hope was lost and he just got 250K for his sister for doing NOTHING. Just like he shaved them years off in Season 2 with that rat poison shit.
Edit: Drunking nonsnse
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father-in-law. interesting take, though. your take made me think of a comparison between roland pryzbylewski and wallace.
Fuck what i said above, Stringer is Bunny Colvin except while Stringer didn't have the heart for the streets (which is essential to the game), Bunny didn't have the heart for the stat games (which is essential to police work). Both were idealists that tried to bring alternative things to their respective games.
Prezbo is D'Aneglo. Too weak for the game his family is in, but turned a corner and flourished in the new game (prison, school). Again, "They get fucked up, we get pensions".
Prezbo is D'Aneglo. Too weak for the game his family is in, but turned a corner and flourished in the new game (prison, school). Again, "They get fucked up, we get pensions".
did String do anything right?
she was cute
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Yes. Killing Wallace. Killing D.
It was a prosthetic.
That she was.
but that wasn't really stringer's play.
it was levy who planted that seed for both avon and stringer.
True true. Wait, did Levy just say "clean up"? Or did Levy say "the boy"? I don't think he said Wallace or suggested him. I know he said the security lady. Still was a good play by Stringer.
lol i give up.
yall nikkas killin string. slim and bodie were both official in my book. bodie got a lil too cool with mcnulty but he was solid and so was slim. this was a good break down tho.I know we are beating this show/thread into the ground but here's something i dont think anybody weighed in on... what do you cats think about carcetti?
he was a good cat as far as politicians go but i see him turning from idealistic whiteboy to your avg run of the mill career politician over the course of a few terms. he played the game pretty well.
What you mean a "few terms"? He already TURNED. He gave up that money that would've saved the schools just so he didn't have to show ass for the governor.lol i give up.
I know we are beating this show/thread into the ground but here's something i dont think anybody weighed in on... what do you cats think about carcetti?
he was a good cat as far as politicians go but i see him turning from idealistic whiteboy to your avg run of the mill career politician over the course of a few terms. he played the game pretty well.
yea... i guess thats true. politics is a muthafucka man. u try to do whats right and ur most likely one and done. u play the game putting self preservation/ ambition first and u'll have a good shot at a cushy longterm gig. ride the fence and u leave urself vulnerable to both sides.
I think his taste in jumpoffs was awful. That chic him and McNulty fucked looked like a damn ostrich.
lol i give up.
I know we are beating this show/thread into the ground but here's something i dont think anybody weighed in on... what do you cats think about carcetti?
he was a good cat as far as politicians go but i see him turning from idealistic whiteboy to your avg run of the mill career politician over the course of a few terms. he played the game pretty well.
yea man every time i break down string to people they always end up salty i ruined their favorite character. i wasn't happy when he died but looking at his actions and how he was it would be like if he was literally dressed as a circus clown in the room with avon and the co-op and everybody acting like he belongs. you'd be looking at the tv like "YALL DON'T SEE THIS CLOWN IN YOUR MIDST YOU DONT SEE THAT RED MAKEUP AND BIG ASS RED NOSE??? ITS RIGHT THERE!!!"
I got corrected on avon's choice he would pick weebay and charles boadie would come off the bench.
the best thing about carcetti is that he had dirty d on his team telling him the real. i think that was the most important part of his show. it held him accountable for everything he did. you can look at royce and be like well the fat dude never said no, and always tried to spin shit to convince royce shit was all good when the world was crumbling down. i remember royce felt he was gonna lose for the 1st time...so he went and shaved his little goatee to go for a younger look. instead of fat dude keeping it real and be like...yo that shit aint gonna work you need to work harder son, this shit is real out here we're probably gonna lose. he said ooooooooh man you look like you did back in 75 85 or whatever. gassing him up.
dirty d did not pull any punches with carcetti. when he fucked up dirty d let him know. whatever was the truthful and correct play dirty d told him.
did carcetti always listen? no he didnt even listen most of the time. but thats the best part cause it showed that carcetti started out good but in the end turned into a self serving politician. dirty d kept him honest, even if he snaked his way through shit and didn't do the right thing he could never say he didn't know it was wrong, cause dirty d made damn sure he told him it was
i never had strong feelings about carcetti one way or the other.
while i did feel that he was occasionally well intentioned (and a lesser of 2 evils compared to royce), i never got the sense that he was a standup character.
he was unfaithful to his wife, he used his "friend" on the city council as a wedge to divide the Black vote, he willingly got in bed from jump with a corrupt senator (clay davis), etc. for all the good he talked about doing for baltimore, he took office while eyeing the governor's chair only 2 years down the road. how much could he have accomplished in 2 years for the city?
while i did feel that he was occasionally well intentioned (and a lesser of 2 evils compared to royce), i never got the sense that he was a standup character.
he was unfaithful to his wife, he used his "friend" on the city council as a wedge to divide the Black vote, he willingly got in bed from jump with a corrupt senator (clay davis), etc. for all the good he talked about doing for baltimore, he took office while eyeing the governor's chair only 2 years down the road. how much could he have accomplished in 2 years for the city?
LOL funny you say that.
Personally I think part of the bgol vendetta against string is a reaction to the overwhelming amount of folks out there who think the dude was donald trump x pablo escobar x 100. he gets too much props from most people so most of the heads that study the show kinda deep usually go hard and knock him down a notch. i dont agree but i understand.
Yea he had a strong campaign team. D and the chick kept him tight.
For an average person I'd say he's a real sack of shit but judging him on a politicians curve, I'd say he wasn't a terrible guy. He did turndown the money when the republican gov was trying to make him kiss the ring and he did step on ALOT of muthafuckas in the name of political ambition but ... he was a loving husband and father and he did have a genuine interest in fixing the city... It just didnt rank as high on his list of priorities as one would want it to. Nowhere near as grimy as royce, clay and crew.
we had an arguement about this at work...the kid that popped him was that the same one that michael was slapping the shit out of in season 4?
Same one that was playing in an alley mimicking Omar in S3. Same one who chumped Namond. Same one Michael beat up. Same one who wound up working on Michael's team later on.
Y'all crazy saying that Carcetti was better for Bmore than Royce. Royce loved the city, Carcetti ALWAYS had designs on bigger office. Carcetti was worse than Royce. Royce would've taken that money and saved the schools because he didn't care about higher office. Royce just liked to get his dick wet (literally and figuratively). Just a taste off the top. Carcetti would forsake the whole city for himself.
man you just looking for an argument w/ that one leroy. royce was super wack. he didnt love the city. he loved his position. he was a typical career politician only interested in maintaining status quo.
see i don't even hate string though he just wasn't who everyone made him out to be. the myth was more than the man. its not me going hard to knock him down, cause i didn't even go deep with it really. i just pointed out factual info and let you decide by yourself. in the moment he seems like the man. but if you sit back and really look at it...he wasnt that's all i'm saying.
see again i don't think royce's crew was grimey. in fact they weren't really grimey at all. only thing royce was really doing was taking kick backs BUT like i said it wasn't that royce's intentions were bad it was that he didn't have anyone to tell him the real of the situations. so in his mind and according to his most trusted aides he was doing the right thing...even when the aides new that he wasn't.
carcetti started out good but once he got power he went for power plays to position himself to the next level.
i didn't say carcetti was better for bmore than royce. i said royce had yes men who didn't keep it real with him. so in royce's mind he was always doing the right thing even when he wasn't. and carcetti had dirty d who told him the truth so when carcetti was doing the wrong thing, it wasn't because he didn't know and nobody didn't tell him it was wrong. it was because he made the informed decision to do so.
I'll sum it up like this as far as Stringer Bell goes,He wasn't no slouche, but He was the rational,firm, conscious side of what Avon always wasn't.They balanced each other out through their friendship and thats how they both were able to last as long as they did,until one took the other out.
I think most cat's like his character the most because it seems as though Stringer wanted more than what the drug game had to offer and he was working his way into transitioning himself from one point in his life to another.Which is something that is great and we wish to do ourselves in our own real lives and espacially if we were playing the type of game he was playing.
But look past the attending college,reading books,sitting in on court cases,taking notes and his new found love for observation.And you should see that Stringer wasn't doing it because he want to get out of the drug game because he could have, Avon was locked up and he could have taken what was left and relocated to any state outside of Maryland and continued on with his transition.But nooooo!,what he was doing was taking measurements(college,books),picking out new materials,just so he could make a new disguise to wear(business world)for a different type of game(illegal also).A game he wasn't acustom to playing,so just like all new player's to any game your going to lose and your going to lose bad,just like he did when he thought he invested all of that money but was a pawn in someone else's sceme.
That sum him up right there....smart? maybe he was book smart,thug?nooo! he thought he was smarter than those types,slick?very but he wasn't slick enough to see what was so clear to everyone else.
then how did the schools accrue a $54M deficit under his watch?
stringer bell was none of these things.
his actions refute your comments.
emotion (fear) caused him to greenlight d'angelo.
emotion (fear) and stupidity caused him to act out against donette when mcnulty started to unravel the suicide story.
false pride (being mocked by avon) made him reveal his contract hit on d'angelo. but he was too pussy to come with it to brianna?
weakness, poor leadership, and poor negotiating skills caused him to do the end around on brother mouzone and his partner, avon barksdale.
weakness, poor leadership, and poor negotiating skills caused him to dime out his partner, avon barksdale.
ignorance lead him to greenlight omar on church sunday while he was with his peoples.
ignorance and incompetence got him played repeatedly by the polack and senator clay davis.
stringer bell was a fraud, a poseur. look up fugazi in the dictionary and there is a picture of stringer bell. given the chance to run dolo, stringer bell was exposed.