The Last of Us being adapted into HBO TV series (discussion)

Amajorfucup said:
Inconsequential in comparison to all of humanity. Engage your brain. Inconsequential to a hospital staff including nurses, guards, surgeons and neuro scientist during a got dam apocalypse. What he says to Elle is the car is immaterial.. The point is he is making piss poor decisions based on the mourning of his daughter and unprocessed emotions from 20years prior.. Decisions that are to the detriment of mankind.

So your endgame is since she is immune to do nothing? What kinda fucking sense does that make? Let her age out and/or risk dying in the elements in a uncivilized lawless society? If you have the opportunity to cure all of humanity and your hypothesis is based in science vs doing NOTHING, then you absolutely go with science. Are you niggas retarded?!
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What is your deal, man? You arguing just to argue or what? Lmao! Nobody said she needed to age out or risk dying. We all agree that Ellie is important due to her being the only known immune person in the entire world.

With that being the case, why risk killing her and having no other viable options to finding a cure/vaccine if it doesn’t work? Why not keep her alive and try other means before taking that step. Killing her should’ve been the last resort, and even then she should have a say in that.

I may not give a fuck about other people getting saved if I gotta die for it. That’s my choice though. You can’t get mad at Joel and not see the irony of what Marlene and the Fireflies were going to do.

No one is saying Joel is completely right, but most of us understand why he did it. Also, we’re not saying the fireflies were completely wrong either. We have an understanding as to why they were going about it the way the did as well. What we are saying to you is that you can’t fault one said without faulting the other. Both were right and wrong.

Everyone is making decisions that come off as selfish due to the nature of the world in this story. Everyone is just doing what they can to survive and live in that fucked up world. I guarantee if you had gone through what Joel did then you would come to the same conclusion with your decisions.
 
Big Tex said:
Then they should have gotten Ellie out and brought her across the country themselves and not involved anyone else.
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They involved a murderous, smuggling, man for hire with a reputation of doing such task effectively. People pay professionals to do important jobs daily.
 
Amajorfucup said:
They involved a murderous, smuggling, man for hire with a reputation of doing such task effectively. People pay professionals to do important jobs daily.
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And if you are only worried about the future of humanity, why would you put it all in the hands of a murderer and mercenary?
 
Big Tex said:
And if you are only worried about the future of humanity, why would you put it all in the hands of a murderer and mercenary?
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In a lawless hellhole of a society, who better to task with delivering a package than a smuggler and mercenary known for being a survivor at all cost?
 
BlueCarpetTreatment said:
What is your deal, man? You arguing just to argue or what? Lmao! Nobody said she needed to age out or risk dying. We all agree that Ellie is important due to her being the only known immune person in the entire world.

With that being the case, why risk killing her and having no other viable options to finding a cure/vaccine if it doesn’t work? Why not keep her alive and try other means before taking that step. Killing her should’ve been the last resort, and even then she should have a say in that.

I may not give a fuck about other people getting saved if I gotta die for it. That’s my choice though. You can’t get mad at Joel and not see the irony of what Marlene and the Fireflies were going to do.

No one is saying Joel is completely right, but most of us understand why he did it. Also, we’re not saying the fireflies were completely wrong either. We have an understanding as to why they were going about it the way the did as well. What we are saying to you is that you can’t fault one said without faulting the other. Both were right and wrong.

Everyone is making decisions that come off as selfish due to the nature of the world in this story. Everyone is just doing what they can to survive and live in that fucked up world. I guarantee if you had gone through what Joel did then you would come to the same conclusion with your decisions.
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it one of those tough decisions. fireflies was going off of a theory. the sad thing is that tech in that world damn near rudimentary. since the fungus develop in the brain, i would think, getting a working ct canner or mri would be a priority to make sure they don't waste their one shot at saving society.
 
Big Tex said:
And if you are only worried about the future of humanity, why would you put it all in the hands of a murderer and mercenary?
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THANKYOU

the fact that they couldnt even sneak her out of the city is clue enough that they dont know what they are doing

if they cant even sneak her out of the city - even if they DID get a cure how could they even distribute it to "all of humanity "???

which again shows you how fucked up they are because if they were going to help "all of humanity" does that mean that they will share the cure with FEDRA???

if you say YES youre delusional,

of course they arent - they were going to be as selfish as Joel, the added fact is they are evil -

NO doctor would do an operation that would kill a person ....let alone a child ..... its goes against everything that he is supposed to do as a person in Medicine- so not only is he evil but the nurses and all the other medical staff that are helping him are as well because EVERYONE in medicine takes that as an oath "first -do no harm"

if youre defending this doctor taking ellies organ without her permission or knowledge then its the same as people that do "organ harvesting"
- and that shit is considered murder. youre medically killing someone for someone elses benefit which is about as evil and act as you can get.
 
shamone said:
it one of those tough decisions. fireflies was going off of a theory. the sad thing is that tech in that world damn near rudimentary. since the fungus develop in the brain, i would think, getting a working ct canner or mri would be a priority to make sure they don't waste their one shot at saving society.
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but here is the kicker - it doesnt do anything in the brain - the actual cordyceps really only affects the body - the mind is intact .

sam asks that very question to ely - SHE even asks it- its to again show that they (FF) dont know what they are doing.

there is proof and example after example that they dont know what they are doing but somehow Joel ( or anyperson) is supposed to be "OK " with them killing her
 
Amajorfucup said:
In a lawless hellhole of a society, who better to task with delivering a package than a smuggler and mercenary known for being a survivor at all cost?
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uhh that makes NO sense -

that means he could trade her or even kill her himself - you place trust a guy with a reputation for being a mercenary with something so valuable as someone who is supposed to be the thing youve been looking for after years ?

again it shows that the FF are either stupid or incompetant AND stupid....
 
shonuff said:
uhh that makes NO sense -

that means he could trade her or even kill her himself - you place trust a guy with a reputation for being a mercenary with something so valuable as someone who is supposed to be the thing youve been looking for after years ?
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Sure.. anything is possible.. But again, in a lawless and broken society your options are limited and often extreme. In that world, Joel had the reputation for smuggling and moving freely and successfully to retrieve and delivery for a price. And thats what he was hired to do. He was considered the best option and most likely to accomplish the task.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Sure.. anything is possible.. But again, in a lawless and broken society your options are limited and often extreme. In that world, Joel had the reputation for smuggling and moving freely and successfully to retrieve and delivery for a price. And thats what he was hired to do. He was considered the best option and most likely to accomplish the task.
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but they didnt know he accomplished the task

they had no contact with Joel for months - the place where they were supposed to have met was months ago in the outside of Boston and evveryone there was dead ....

so they trusted a guy who is known to double crossing for a price ( he is a MERCENARY that what a mercenary does ) and have no hesitation to kill ...

and they turned over THE MOST VALUABLE thing they have ever come across to a known murderer ?

that literally says you cant trust him since he has a price since he is a MERCENARY.
 
shonuff said:
but they didnt know he accomplished the task

they had no contact with Joel for months - the place where they were supposed to have met was months ago in the outside of Boston and evveryone there was dead ....
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Its an apocalypse. Cell phone towers down. I dont know why you're expecting ideal outcomes in less than ideal circumstances. The point wasnt to maintain contact and touch bases at designated contact points. The job was to deliver her in a near impossible mission. Again, he was their best option.. Not the 100% certain risk free one. Why is this so hard to understand?
shonuff said:
so they trusted a guy who is known to double crossing for a price ( he is a MERCENARY that what a mercenary does ) and have no hesitation to kill ...
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No. That is not what a mercenary does. A mercenary is a free lance solider for hire. And again, they are dealing with limited options during an apocalypse. He was the best option, and a option with a reputation of getting shit done.
 
Amajorfucup said:
Its an apocalypse. Cell phone towers down. I dont know why you're expecting ideal outcomes in less than ideal circumstances. The point wasnt to maintain contact and touch bases at designated contact points. The job was to deliver her in a near impossible mission. Again, he was their best option.. Not the 100% certain risk free one. Why is this so hard to understand?

No. That is not what a mercenary does. A mercenary is a free lance solider for hire. And again, they are dealing with limited options during an apocalypse. He was the best option, and a option with a reputation of getting shit done.
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actually he was doing it for a car battery -

he never made it to the place where he was SUPPOSED to have metthem months before - again they trusted a guy with the most valuable thing they ever found and he disappeared with her....

how does that not demonstrate incompetance ??

and if they cant get a girl out of a city how would they distribute a "cure"?? if not incomeptance then at least lack of capcbility-

and finally - if the doctor was as rare as he was and he is dead what sense would joel make in handing her over to marlene .....trying to convince Joel that its in everyones best intrest to hand ellie over is crazy - or stupid....they didn't have another doctor / scientist to make a cure

All in all saying Joel is the villain Ignores the very villainous things that the fireflies did they're killing somebody without their permission they're killing a child and they're killing for something that they don't even know is gonna work
 
shonuff said:
and if they cant get a girl out of a city how would they distribute a "cure"??
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You think not being good at logistics makes one incapable of being good at science or medicine? :confused:
shonuff said:
how does that not demonstrate incompetance ??
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Im not sure you know what incompetence means.. Im also tired of explaining the limited and best options of an apocalypse..

Take it easy my man. This has become mindnumbingly circular..
 
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