THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL

[ScottyPiffen745]

I'm not sure what show you guys are watching but none of this is that good. I mean WWE ain't been good for a long time cause they had no competition so no need to be better and TNA ain't all that, its like WCW all over again, and not good WCW, i'm talking last days WCW. Hell TNA ruined RVD's debut by pushing a Sting Hogan feud. How they have him debut and get beat down for 5mins? The glory days of wrestling have died.

Co-sign, I flipped through both and neither show was that good. Half of Raw was them showing promos of the feuds for Wrestlemania, but I'd rather they'd be adding more to the stories.

They spent 15 minutes with HBK and Taker talking about "I'm gonna beat you...No I'm gonna beat you...You scared...I ain't scared, you the one thats scared...I did this...I did that", then the guest host was wack - the only good thing about Raw is Alicia Fox.

 

[dirtyd]

Co-sign, I flipped through both and neither show was that good. Half of Raw was them showing promos of the feuds for Wrestlemania, but I'd rather they'd be adding more to the stories.

They spent 15 minutes with HBK and Taker talking about "I'm gonna beat you...No I'm gonna beat you...You scared...I ain't scared, you the one thats scared...I did this...I did that", then the guest host was wack - the only good thing about Raw is Alicia Fox.

Kinda contradicted yourself here

 

[Upgrade Dave]

IMO they butchered rvd's appearance, and just like wcw used to do they cut hardy off during a fight. Raw wasn't build to this week, they were going for next week which will be huge since scsa is the guest host.

I thought they did good in the way they brought in RVD, with a big splash and they got over Sting as a heel better than any other attempt I've ever seen. But he got his ass beat for far too long and became a backup to Hogan-Sting. That's a problem and a mistake.
They missed their time cues or something on Hardy. Spike gave them 8 more minutes but they went one minute too long. Both parties need to get that together for the next live show.
Bringing in Austin is big but SCSA isn't what he used to be. A lot of the fans that loved that guy and made him a millionaire are gone. The best thing going for it is the definite interactions between himself, McMahon, and Bret.
Both companies need to hurry up and get through their nostalgia stages. Neither company should be letting the old guys get so much tv time after their next respective ppvs. I know Hogan and Flair will have prominent roles but they shouldn't get in the ring anymore or at least very, very sparingly, definitely not before Bound for Glory.

Hope TNA doesent go broke last year they were not bringing in money now they are signing the big names!

TNA was reportedly in the black and has been for some time. They don't make money on ppvs or merch like WWE, their money is wrapped up in domestic and international tv deals.

Kinda contradicted yourself here

Yeah, he did.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Kinda contradicted yourself here

That promo didn't really add anything to the story, I meant like how last week Taker cost HBK from winning the tag team championships, that added to the story, something that gives them more reason to fight. And I brought up that segment in particular to say "did that segment really needed to be 15 minutes, though?"

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

this chick is hott!

 

[dtownsfinest]

So i've been one of TNA's biggest critics. I just don't see what future it has going up against WWE however I enjoyed this show. This is the 1st TNA show i've EVER enjoyed. They laid off of those corny, corny, corny as gimmicks. They toned down the corniness altogether. I still think they need to develop these wrestlers because every week there's a new feud, new wresters, some wrestlers don't even show up week to week. A pretty good show though. A lot of old wrestlers but I have no problem with them easing the old wrestlers out while trying to bring up some newer guys. Hell I don't have problems with old wrestlers just as long as they can still wrestler. Ric Flair still got it.

 

[J Storm]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

So i've been one of TNA's biggest critics. I just don't see what future it has going up against WWE however I enjoyed this show. This is the 1st TNA show i've EVER enjoyed. They laid off of those corny, corny, corny as gimmicks. They toned down the corniness altogether. I still think they need to develop these wrestlers because every week there's a new feud, new wresters, some wrestlers don't even show up week to week. A pretty good show though. A lot of old wrestlers but I have no problem with them easing the old wrestlers out while trying to bring up some newer guys. Hell I don't have problems with old wrestlers just as long as they can still wrestler. Ric Flair still got it.

I thought it was the best one since Eric and Hulk came in easily.


TNA's counter for Austin's return will be AJ vs. Jeff Hardy in a nontitle match and RVD getting some payback on Sting. Here's hoping they can maintain their 1.0 from last week.

 

[FUCKYOU]

 

[clayizaiken]

 

[clayizaiken]

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

i bet JR probably wishing he was on RAW so he can say"STONE COOLLD!! STONE COOOOLD!! THE TEXAS RATTLESNAKE.." etc

 

[THE DRIZZY]

i bet JR probably wishing he was on RAW so he can say"STONE COOLLD!! STONE COOOOLD!! THE TEXAS RATTLESNAKE.." etc

Who knows I think Good Ol JR may be there also.

 

[J Storm]

Wasn't TNA suppose to AIR some NEVER BEFORE SEEN X-DIVISION MATCHES at 8:00

 

[clayizaiken]

Regarding being left off WWE's Top 25 Most Impactful Women list, current TNA Knockout Tara wrote the following on Twitter: "(It) doesn't surprise me. That's an example of my experience at WWE. Unappreciated."

- The following matches were taped for tonight's TNA iMPACT on Spike TV:

* The Nasty Boys & Jimmy Hart vs. Team 3D & Jesse Neal

* Kurt Angle & The Pope vs. Desmond Wolfe & Mr. Anderson

* Daffney vs. Angelina Love

* Kevin Nash vs. Scott Hall in a 5 Minute Challenge

* Beer Money vs. Hernandez

* Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles

 

[FUCKYOU]

Regarding being left off WWE's Top 25 Most Impactful Women list, current TNA Knockout Tara wrote the following on Twitter: "(It) doesn't surprise me. That's an example of my experience at WWE. Unappreciated."

- The following matches were taped for tonight's TNA iMPACT on Spike TV:

* The Nasty Boys & Jimmy Hart vs. Team 3D & Jesse Neal

* Kurt Angle & The Pope vs. Desmond Wolfe & Mr. Anderson

* Daffney vs. Angelina Love

* Kevin Nash vs. Scott Hall in a 5 Minute Challenge

* Beer Money vs. Hernandez

* Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles

WHY U POST THIS BS... ITS LIKE A SEMI SPOILER

 

[Dali Drama]

Return of Stone GOAT Steve Austin

 

[clayizaiken]

TNA starts off with the arrival of Hogan, Abyss, RVD and Jeff Hardy all from the same yellow humvee. now AJ Styles and Ric Flair are cutting a promo in the ring.

WWE starts off with a super-long recap and run-down of tonight's matches, now the guest host Stone Cold Steve Austin is cuttin a promo in the ring.

expect actual wrestling by about 9:40.

 

[FUCKYOU]

TNA starts off with the arrival of Hogan, Abyss, RVD and Jeff Hardy all from the same yellow humvee. now AJ Styles and Ric Flair are cutting a promo in the ring.

WWE starts off with a super-long recap and run-down of tonight's matches, now the guest host Stone Cold Steve Austin is cuttin a promo in the ring.

expect actual wrestling by about 9:40.

BRO FOR REAL EVEN THO IT WAS PRE TAPE CAN WE ACTUALLY WATCH IT AND DISCUSS? WHY DO U HAVE TO TELL US WHAT WILL HAPPEN.. U NEED TO RELAX WITH THAT BRO

 

[clayizaiken]

BRO FOR REAL EVEN THO IT WAS PRE TAPE CAN WE ACTUALLY WATCH IT AND DISCUSS? WHY DO U HAVE TO TELL US WHAT WILL HAPPEN.. U NEED TO RELAX WITH THAT BRO

the shows are both on now.

 

[c_commander]

Ric Flair is fuckin' crazy!!!

 

[Mylansky]

wwe is desperate

 

[SadButTrue82]

Wow more bad wrestling. A taped TNA show and more generic WWE matches. I get WWE is building towards Wrestlemania but they could try harder. Its like i'm watching the late days of WWF/WCW wars but almost 10 yrs later. Hopefully if TNA can use their talent right and drop some of the older talent (i.e. Ric Flair, Nasty Boys, Scott Hall) cause they don't need them and get better ratings then WWE will get off their lazy ass and actually give up better matches all around.

 

[Multi - Personality]

Ric Flair is fuckin' crazy!!!

ok watching TNA now............Ric Flair is fuckin crazy!!!!!!!

 

[dirtyd]

Boy vince better kick this shit into high gear next week, because last night was boring. Austin was a flop as a guest host, and every time i see orton i just want to punch the dude. Austin doesn't care for hogan but they're actually quite similar. Hogan passed the torch to warrior who didn't deserve it, and Austin passed it to cena which was a mistake.

The problem i have with the wwe is their need to push people you don't give a shit about. Kingston was a star on the rise, but orton shows him up during a match "which was very unprofessional" and now he's a curtain jerker.

 

[Naraku]

TNA is going to stop showing the replay of TNA Impact on Thursday night so you guys are going to have a tough decision to make.
http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/15137

I hope they replay it on Saturday.

 

[FUCKYOU]

The Shit Stunk On Both Sides.. And Scott Hall Was Very Hard For Me To Watch

 

[J Storm]

The Shit Stunk On Both Sides.. And Scott Hall Was Very Hard For Me To Watch

yep. i had to change the channel. i cant even watch hogan fight anymore. hes too slow.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Wow more bad wrestling. A taped TNA show and more generic WWE matches. I get WWE is building towards Wrestlemania but they could try harder. Its like i'm watching the late days of WWF/WCW wars but almost 10 yrs later. Hopefully if TNA can use their talent right and drop some of the older talent (i.e. Ric Flair, Nasty Boys, Scott Hall) cause they don't need them and get better ratings then WWE will get off their lazy ass and actually give up better matches all around.

Flair's in the perfect spot for him, a manager. WWE dropped the ball by not making him one years ago. Just like Harley Race transitioned from wrestler to manager, Flair can and should be better than Race was. Pairing him with his almost complete opposite in AJ Styles might not work but his role is fine.
I have a hard time seeing the Nasty Boys or Hall and Waltman being there past the spring. They still don't merchandise for "The Band" while they already have Flair shirts and even "The Pope" sunglasses.

Boy vince better kick this shit into high gear next week, because last night was boring. Austin was a flop as a guest host, and every time i see orton i just want to punch the dude. Austin doesn't care for hogan but they're actually quite similar. Hogan passed the torch to warrior who didn't deserve it, and Austin passed it to cena which was a mistake.

The problem i have with the wwe is their need to push people you don't give a shit about. Kingston was a star on the rise, but orton shows him up during a match "which was very unprofessional" and now he's a curtain jerker.

I said Austin had lost a lot of his star power earlier. This isn't 2001 when he could still go and everyone remembered the "Attitude Era" Stone Cold. This newer, younger generation belongs to Jeff Hardy and John Cena, not Steve Austin.
One thing, Hogan did try to pass the torch to Warrior but Austin never passed anything to Cena. Vince passed it to Cena. The problem with that was the timing, just as Cena was getting over as a heel, they turned him and ended up turning half the crowd against him. But the guy sells too many posters and t-shirts, so we're stuck with the Cena we have now for the time being.

If Austin could have passed the torch, he would have done it for Ken Kennedy. That was his boy like Sheamus is HHH's boy now.

 

[dirtyd]

Flair's in the perfect spot for him, a manager. WWE dropped the ball by not making him one years ago. Just like Harley Race transitioned from wrestler to manager, Flair can and should be better than Race was. Pairing him with his almost complete opposite in AJ Styles might not work but his role is fine.
I have a hard time seeing the Nasty Boys or Hall and Waltman being there past the spring. They still don't merchandise for "The Band" while they already have Flair shirts and even "The Pope" sunglasses.




I said Austin had lost a lot of his star power earlier. This isn't 2001 when he could still go and everyone remembered the "Attitude Era" Stone Cold. This newer, younger generation belongs to Jeff Hardy and John Cena, not Steve Austin.
One thing, Hogan did try to pass the torch to Warrior but Austin never passed anything to Cena. Vince passed it to Cena. The problem with that was the timing, just as Cena was getting over as a heel, they turned him and ended up turning half the crowd against him. But the guy sells too many posters and t-shirts, so we're stuck with the Cena we have now for the time being.

If Austin could have passed the torch, he would have done it for Ken Kennedy. That was his boy like Sheamus is HHH's boy now.

I remember reading online that at the hall of fame when austin gave cena 1 of his beers, that was him giving cena the nod. I do remember kennedy saying he was getting advice from austin daily, but don't get me started on sheamus that is a joke imo.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I seem to remember that but that came off like him cosigning what was already in the works. Kennedy was his dude but he fucked it up.

What's wrong with Sheamus? Yeah, they pushed him way too fast, bypassing a ton of guys ahead of him that had worked hard and deserved better, but he hasn't been horrible and has even been quite serviceable as a monster. I see him and HHH having a good match at Mania. You know HHH always puts in more effort when he wrestling his buddies.

 

[J Storm]

 

[dirtyd]

I seem to remember that but that came off like him cosigning what was already in the works. Kennedy was his dude but he fucked it up.

What's wrong with Sheamus? Yeah, they pushed him way too fast, bypassing a ton of guys ahead of him that had worked hard and deserved better, but he hasn't been horrible and has even been quite serviceable as a monster. I see him and HHH having a good match at Mania. You know HHH always puts in more effort when he wrestling his buddies.

Wrestlemania 21

 

[clayizaiken]

WWE
Bans Chairshots To The Head
By Michael Bluth
Mar 17, 2010 - 2:53:18 PM

WWE has updated its talent Wellness policy with a section about concussions (click here to read the amendment). Part of WWE's effort to limit the number of concussions sustained by its Superstars is a ban on chairshots to the head, which actually went into effect back in January. The section on chairshots reads:

*The WWE has eliminated using folding metal chairs to “strike” an opponent in the head.

*The WWE penalizes through fine and/or suspension the following:

-The intentional use of a folding metal chair to “strike” an opponent in the head.

-Any blow to the head that is deemed an INTENTIONAL act.

*The fine and/or suspension will be directed by the EVP of Talent Relations.

WWE spokesperson Robert Zimmerman recently commented to Connecticut’s Hartford Courant newspaper about the chairshot ban:

“In January 2010, WWE amended its Talent Wellness Program, specifically regarding the ImPACT™ Concussion Management Program originally instituted in 2008, eliminating the use of folding chairs or props to “strike” an opponent in the head.”

 

[clayizaiken]

From a recent USA Network press release:

" Only a pair of series-high episodes of “Pawn Stars” on History outperformed WWE MONDAY NIGHT RAW this week among P18-49 (2.59 million) while among P25-54 (2.46million), RAW was behind only “Pawn Stars” and a series-high “American Pickers.” RAW delivered nearly four times as many P18-49 (+274%), P18-34 (+293%) and total viewers (+275%) as TNA “Impact” in the first night of its new timeslot head-to-head against RAW and more than tripled their P25-54 (+226%) and household (+246%) audiences. In RAW’s 9P-11P time period, USA outperformed NBC in delivering P18-34, P18-49, P25-54 and total viewers, besting ABC and FOX among M18-34 and ABC in M18-49, M25-54 and M2+."