daffney getting hemmed up by tara on TNAhad thought orton was going to turn on cena after the match on Raw but it didnt happen..surprised none of the wrestlers inthe back came out to chant "thank you sean" like they did w/ flair
THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL
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daffney getting hemmed up by tara on TNAhad thought orton was going to turn on cena after the match on Raw but it didnt happen..surprised none of the wrestlers inthe back came out to chant "thank you sean" like they did w/ flair
Consequences Creed has been released by TNA? Shit. So the Nasty Boys and Orlando Jordan have jobs on a national show but a young, talented, athletic guy like Creed is unemployed. Bullshit. Then because he's not a steroid freak or White, you know Vince isn't going to pick him up.
Ratings for Last Night's RAW and iMPACT
By Marc Middleton
Mar 30, 2010 - 6:30:37 PM
Source: F4Wonline.com
- Last night's post-WrestleMania 26 episode of WWE's Monday Night RAW with Shawn Michaels' farewell scored a 3.7 cable rating.
- Last night's episode of TNA iMPACT with the six-man steel cage main event scored a very low 0.6 cable rating.
By Marc Middleton
Mar 30, 2010 - 6:30:37 PM
Source: F4Wonline.com
- Last night's post-WrestleMania 26 episode of WWE's Monday Night RAW with Shawn Michaels' farewell scored a 3.7 cable rating.
- Last night's episode of TNA iMPACT with the six-man steel cage main event scored a very low 0.6 cable rating.
Expected rating for Impact!, going against the Mania follow up show. All eyes at Spike and TNA are on the rating next week when they come on at 8pm (where they should have come on all along).
He did/does, except he's Black. Mark Henry was never pushed into a world title contender, even after a good run as ECW champ.
I read that this morning but didn't post it because I know some folks are sensitive.
I can't believe it. I thought he would be the first guy to fail when he cashed it in. Interesting move by WWE.
Swagger and Drew McIntyre need managers. One has a horrible lisp and the other a nearly inpenetrable accent. Back in the day, Bobby Heenan and Jimmy Hart would be working with one or both.
Yea I agree with you. I think they both can wrestle actually but JTG is the better of the two IMO. The more entertaining anyway. Regardless WWE screwed up with Cryme Tyme. And i'm not even talking about the shitty gimmick. Them cats never were put over. And I don't understand that. I listen to the cheers every other tag team gets and their's seems to be the loudest. Its like the WWE wants them in arms reach and don't want them to get too big.
I just don't get it. And I usually don't scream racism in wrestling(not saying its not there) but the fuck is going on with the black wrestlers in the WWE? Them cats don't even get a chance. How in the fuck does Kofi Kingston get that huge push when he beat the hell out of Randy and now this nigga basically jobbing now? MVP not even on TV anymore and when he was he was basically filler for the US title. Mark Henry was used to put over Big Show and not much else. We all know Shelton is being held back. R Truth is doing the tag team shit with Morrison. Black wrestlers aren't even getting a chance. Meanwhile I gotta sit through this bullshit with Swagger, MCentyre, Diggler and Shaemus? What exactly did they do to deserve a push because i'm not seeing it.
JTG can wrestle and I think he's better than Shad too BUT Vince McMahon likes the big guys (that guy is such a latent homosexual it's ridiculous)and WWE has been high on Shad for a long time.
All of this. WWE doesn't seem interested in pushing Black wrestlers. Mark Henry got a run with the ECW title after Michael Hayes dropped a "N" bomb and they wanted to pacify him. Even though he worked his ass off and was having good to great matches, he's now a 350lbs jobber. Cody Rhodes beat him in 3 minutes on Raw.
Yep. Rocky had IT and Vince could see it but Rock's the exception to the rule.
I couldn't believe they let that shit happen. One week Mark Henry beats Randy Orton. Weeks later he's losing to Cody Rhodes. And I forgot about the WWE wanting guys over 6 foot tall. Might come back to hurt JTG. Lil' niggas get no love from Vince. Just seems like Vince and the WWE is missing the boat with a lot of these black wrestlers. I also notice that a lot of these bum ass white dudes got somebody behind them on the writing team. That's another thing probably holding them back.
And btw, who's idea was it to make Randy Orton a face? I think even Edge has become a face as well.
Rock deserved that shit. I don't think any black wrestlers right now have that same IT factor Rock had. But with that being said I don't see any white wrestlers with IT either. How the fuck is Swagger and Shaemus holding titles?
Shit is laughable. And i'm just laughing at how them niggas couldn't find nothing for Elijah Burke and couldn't even touch the mic yet he's over in TNA doing a damn good job at it.
Both Edge and Orton are faces even though they were the 2 biggest heels in wrestling this time last year. Edge got hurt and considering the circumstances usually guys come back initially as faces just because the fans seem to have some level of love and appreciation for them when they get back. Plus his return led into a feud with Jericho so he's a face. Orton only works as a face to me if you don't change his character. When he came out with Cena Monday I was like WTF cause it didn't fit his character. If Orton was a loner who just dropped the truth about every and anybody then it could work. Almost on par personality wise with Stone Cold. But since all the WWE cares about is merchandise they will probably turn him into happy, smiley, t-shirt hawking Randy Orton.
Rock deserved that shit. I don't think any black wrestlers right now have that same IT factor Rock had. But with that being said I don't see any white wrestlers with IT either. How the fuck is Swagger and Shaemus holding titles?
Swagger and Sheamus have titles because Vince likes Swagger and Sheamus just so happens to be Triple H's workout partner. So both have 2 of the 3 most important people in the company having their back. I think Punk has the IT factor but he pissed people within the company off too much for his own good. And Burke and Kennedy seemed to have IT but Kennedy couldn't stay healthy and I don't know what the real thing was with Burke. With his ability on the mic he could have sold anything they gave him.
A huge problem is that the WWE likes to hire writers who have had nothing to do with wrestling and aren't even writing fans. So they don't know or appreciate the history of the business and what has worked in the past. Plus based on the idiotic skits most of the those guys are hacks anyway. If you're a talented writer I would expect you to be working on 30 Rock or Breaking Bad not working on Monday Night Raw writing a skit with Hornswoggle and Mak Henry in a fucking hot tub.
Combine that with the company not allowing guys to really freestyle their promos or be creative and come up with their own stuff and the problem is obvious. Michaels-Jericho was a hugely successful feud that lasted for the better part of a year and the 2 of them had a huge hand in how the angle was booked.
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So wait a minute, he beats Jericho (World Heavyweight Championship) or he beats Cena (WWE championship)? World Title is kind of vague. Also, I was at Wrestlemania and this guy from Canada had a bill for the next pay-per view that had both Cena and Edge defending the top two titles in it.
I knew this was going to happen. In the un-televised battle royal before Wrestlemania, Cryme Tyme was double teaming people until Shad double crossed JTG. They started having beef then. Shad will stick around while JTG will soon be gone. It also seemed that the Cody Rhodes/Dibiase partnership will be broken up, and that Dibiase will be getting the stronger push. Also, Co-sign on the Black Wrestlers getting screwed. Kofi has been on the fringe for a minute, and most of the others just get jobbed. And, yes at live events Cryme Tyme, R-Truth, Kofi, and Mark Henry get the loudest cheers outside of Cena, RKO, and Triple H so go figure ...
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You forgot Jericho. Chris Jericho, Edge, and CM Punk were all better heels than Orton which is why all three were on Smackdown, leaving Raw to Orton.
Him as a face won't last. He's just a natural asshole but the fans are big on the RKO (most of them missed DDP in the 90s) and they forced a turn.
Hell yeah. When they first brought him in, it was to be the mouthpiece/tag partner for Sylvester Terkay (a beast of a wrestler they didn't know what to do with). When he went solo and was in the hunt for the ECW title, I thought he was on his way.
C/s everything in this. Vince has "writers" on Raw and a booker on Smackdown (Michael Hayes runs that shit) and you can tell the difference.
So wait a minute, he beats Jericho (World Heavyweight Championship) or he beats Cena (WWE championship)? World Title is kind of vague. Also, I was at Wrestlemania and this guy from Canada had a bill for the next pay-per view that had both Cena and Edge defending the top two titles in it.
I knew this was going to happen. In the un-televised battle royal before Wrestlemania, Cryme Tyme was double teaming people until Shad double crossed JTG. They started having beef then. Shad will stick around while JTG will soon be gone. It also seemed that the Cody Rhodes/Dibiase partnership will be broken up, and that Dibiase will be getting the stronger push. Also, Co-sign on the Black Wrestlers getting screwed. Kofi has been on the fringe for a minute, and most of the others just get jobbed. And, yes at live events Cryme Tyme, R-Truth, Kofi, and Mark Henry get the loudest cheers outside of Cena, RKO, and Triple H so go figure ...
Swagger won the Smackdown title from Jericho. I've seen some footage, the crowd was shocked but popped big. I don't expect Swagger to keep it long but that was shocking.
I knew the split would come for Cryme Tyme but they didn't build to it very much at all. I'm really curious as to what Shad can do and where he will fit in. They all ready have Ezekiel Jackson doing the monster, Black heel and you know they only have so many positions for brothers in WWE.
I want to be the first to wish JTG the best in his future endeavors. See you in ROH.
I'm sick of the bs the black wrestlers go through, and vince himself has admitted they need a black superstar to get more black fans. The problem is as long as cena is considered the urban champ, then that won't happen. Basically a black wrestler would have to call cena a wigger on live tv.
Vince McMahon's "Mr. McMahon" Character Reportedly Finished
By Michael Bluth
Apr 1, 2010 - 7:35:53 PM
Vince McMahon's evil "Mr. McMahon" character is said to be finished, according to the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
The character was spawned back in 1997 following the infamous Montreal Screwjob. McMahon's on-air character turned heel for the first time and it became the antagonist to the company's top star "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in arguably the best run in the history of the company.
With Bret Hart's return to WWE after 13 years, McMahon felt WrestleMania would be the perfect chance for Bret Hart to get his ultimate revenge and wipe out Mr. McMahon once and for all. The over-the-top beatdown he sustained at the hands (and feet) of the Hart family signified the end of the character.
McMahon is a firm believer in pushing younger acts and is not blind to the fact that he's in his 60's and the character more than ran its course.
By Michael Bluth
Apr 1, 2010 - 7:35:53 PM
Vince McMahon's evil "Mr. McMahon" character is said to be finished, according to the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
The character was spawned back in 1997 following the infamous Montreal Screwjob. McMahon's on-air character turned heel for the first time and it became the antagonist to the company's top star "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in arguably the best run in the history of the company.
With Bret Hart's return to WWE after 13 years, McMahon felt WrestleMania would be the perfect chance for Bret Hart to get his ultimate revenge and wipe out Mr. McMahon once and for all. The over-the-top beatdown he sustained at the hands (and feet) of the Hart family signified the end of the character.
McMahon is a firm believer in pushing younger acts and is not blind to the fact that he's in his 60's and the character more than ran its course.
This time last year Punk had just won MITB and was still a face and Orton was the heel in the main event of Wrestlemania 25 which is why I put him over Jericho who is an all time favorite of mine. Orton is a natural asshole, his situation with Kofi on Raw a couple of months back when he berated him is a classic example. Thing is when he was coming back from his last injury and he was trashing the state of Raw and other wrestlers he was getting cheers. That's what they need to do with him if he's gonna be a face without making him completely boring.
I don't think that anybody considers Cena the "Urban Champ" but Vince McMahon and Stephanie McMahon. Women and children like Cena and that's who controls the merchandising. Another problem is that whenever Vince pushes a black wrestler, with Lashley being the exception, the guy is a heel. Elijah Burke got his biggest push as a heel and Booker T got his World Title run as a heel. And Lashley didn't work because he sucked on the mic and McMahon chose to ram him down people's throats without any buildup to get people behind him initially.
Sort of like how The Gangstas destroyed the credibility of The Public Enemy in ECW.
He is???
You're right on Punk. He didn't start his great heel run until later in the spring when he cashed in MitB on Jeff Hardy. But Jericho was still the better and hotter heel last year. He had people more interested in that bizarre handicap match with a bunch of old guys than Orton had going into what should have been a hot feud with HHH. I don't blame that on Orton, they've been mishandling him for over a year. I don't expect them to do any better with him as a babyface. He'll be the WWE version of AJ Styles: a guy being written into a character completely opposed to who he really is. I expect Orton to be back as a heel shortly after SummerSlam, especially if Batista takes time off like he wants to do.
Add Christopher Daniels to the Released list from TNA. Apparently he was released last Wednesday and showed up last night at ROH's internet ppv The Big Bang in Charlotte, challenging Davey Richards, after Richards beat Kenny King in an entertaining match. Daniels-Richards should be incredible.
btw, went to see the show live and it was a great show. If ROH could get a better cable deal, they would be a problem for TNA and WWE.
WTF is wrong with TNA, releasing Daniels? The guy can talk, wrestle, and is a veteran but apparently that's not good enough to perform there anymore.
Oh yeah, the Nasty Boys are gone, their 90 day tryout contract was up. They left without doing much of putting anyone over so them being there was a fucking waste.
btw, went to see the show live and it was a great show. If ROH could get a better cable deal, they would be a problem for TNA and WWE.
WTF is wrong with TNA, releasing Daniels? The guy can talk, wrestle, and is a veteran but apparently that's not good enough to perform there anymore.
Oh yeah, the Nasty Boys are gone, their 90 day tryout contract was up. They left without doing much of putting anyone over so them being there was a fucking waste.
Edit: guess he was released...
Report: TNA wrestler indeed done with company following ROH return
By Brian Cantor
Apr 4, 2010 - 1:39:17 PM
Following his surprise return to Ring of Honor, speculation erupted that Christopher Daniels might be done with Total Nonstop Action Wrestling.
Confirmation on the matter has since emerged.
According to PWInsider.com, Daniels was indeed released from his TNA deal this week, and he quickly contacted Ring of Honor about making a return. That return happened at the Big Bang pay-per-view event.
Is that their story? That's not being reported anywhere, from reputable websites (guys that actually have sources in TNA) to the bullshit ones (who report other people's shit). They supposedly have a working relationship with ROH so we'll see. Eric tried to work the fans with Brian Pillman back in the day and got played. Hopefully, for him, history hasn't repeated itself.
So wait a minute, he beats Jericho (World Heavyweight Championship) or he beats Cena (WWE championship)? World Title is kind of vague. Also, I was at Wrestlemania and this guy from Canada had a bill for the next pay-per view that had both Cena and Edge defending the top two titles in it.
I knew this was going to happen. In the un-televised battle royal before Wrestlemania, Cryme Tyme was double teaming people until Shad double crossed JTG. They started having beef then. Shad will stick around while JTG will soon be gone. It also seemed that the Cody Rhodes/Dibiase partnership will be broken up, and that Dibiase will be getting the stronger push. Also, Co-sign on the Black Wrestlers getting screwed. Kofi has been on the fringe for a minute, and most of the others just get jobbed. And, yes at live events Cryme Tyme, R-Truth, Kofi, and Mark Henry get the loudest cheers outside of Cena, RKO, and Triple H so go figure ...
I wish they'd push the black superstars better. I think if they gave MVP a good face storyline and a stronger finisher he could be in the world title division. I'd rather see him as the top face then John Cena.
And if it wasn't for CM Punk's SES storyline, I would've like to see a Nation of Domination/Right to Censor type of stable on Smackdown with Shad, Shelton and Zeke Jackson and have a heel-MVP be the mouthpiece and them trying to take advantage of Teddy Long because he's a brother. I could see Shad as a Muslim brother who just got out of jail (which could've gelled with the Cryme Tyme storyline) with a suit and a bowtie.
Yea MVP has a shitty finishing move. They either need to make that "BALLIN'" his finishing move or come up with another move other than that playmaker. Its a crowd killer.
I thought it was a good idea to move him from that move to the kicks and a shining wizard type move. Then they went back to the Playmaker. We know it's "fake" but the move shouldn't look it and that one does.
Actually, all the finishers in WWE are lame except for
Ezekiel's finisher, RKO, and Codebreaker (the way he caught Edge with it was surgical)