THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL

[Upgrade Dave]

The NWO members were stars or superstars so getting them over was easy and it didn't devalue whoever took the loss. Most of the NXT are really inexperienced and some of them aren't good in the ring yet and they WWE appears to have a problem with having certain guys lose straight up.

They try too hard to keep certain guys "strong" but end up making other guys look weak who they'll need for main events later. Miz has now been pinned cleanly by John Cena and Randy Orton and it looks like they're setting him up to be the first guy to fail when he cashes in MitB and I think he has real potential and sometimes they act like they do too.

back to another topic for a sec
I'm not sure what WWE will do with Tyler Black. He's the first guy to be ROH champion who I don't see "big star" written on since James Gibson (Jamie Noble). He's really good but he's not in the same league as Danielson, McGuinness or Samoa Joe. He's sort of like Morishima, good with spurts of great but wouldn't translate anywhere other than ROH. How WWE will handle him is a huge ? for me and the same goes for "Roughhouse" Ryan O'Reilly, who is a smaller version of Mike Knox in some ways.

 

[BCAA2009]

Kaval/Low-Ki should have just stuck with ROH or TNA....Vince is bullshitting. Just like he did with Haas/Shelton.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Kaval/Low-Ki should have just stuck with ROH or TNA....Vince is bullshitting. Just like he did with Haas/Shelton.

Most likely but maybe he can if Rey or Evan Bourne get hurt or leave, he's going to take their spot.


Forget what I said about Roderick Strong gettting the title, he just had an Xplosion tryout for TNA. ROH will hold off on any title plans for him until they know exactly where he stands, like they did Davey Richards. Daniels might slide into his first ROH title. I'm pretty sure he's still under contract to TNA but he's going to be with ROH for a while.

 

[BCAA2009]

Fallen Angel definitely needs to stick with ROH....They have the best pure talent out there. I've heard of a few japanese organizations, but I have yet to see any outside of NJPW.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Fallen Angel definitely needs to stick with ROH....They have the best pure talent out there. I've heard of a few japanese organizations, but I have yet to see any outside of NJPW.

Deltronz is a big CHIKARA fan so he would have to tell about them but I'm really enjoying the MTV Lucha Libre USA show. It's corny with the soap opera schtick but in a good way that's funny and not like John Cena promos. DragonGate USA uses a lot of great Japanese guys and I've liked what I've seen and I'd recommend them.

ROH has the best pure talent and with Pearce booking and Cornette helping, they're shows don't burn you out before the 4th match. I think TNA might have the pound for pound best roster but ROH is right behind (TNA has some good big guys to go along with their smaller guys).

 

[BCAA2009]

TNA's big men....

TNA needs to revert Abyss back to the way he used to be.........a silent killer.

Matt Morgan is being terribly misused, along with Hernandez...I saw a match where he border tossed D-Von ACROSS the fucking ring....

Kevin Nash....please fucking retire.

Samoa Joe, he needs another title run pronto

 

[c_commander]

They try too hard to keep certain guys "strong" but end up making other guys look weak who they'll need for main events later. Miz has now been pinned cleanly by John Cena and Randy Orton and it looks like they're setting him up to be the first guy to fail when he cashes in MitB and I think he has real potential and sometimes they act like they do too.

back to another topic for a sec
I'm not sure what WWE will do with Tyler Black. He's the first guy to be ROH champion who I don't see "big star" written on since James Gibson (Jamie Noble). He's really good but he's not in the same league as Danielson, McGuinness or Samoa Joe. He's sort of like Morishima, good with spurts of great but wouldn't translate anywhere other than ROH. How WWE will handle him is a huge ? for me and the same goes for "Roughhouse" Ryan O'Reilly, who is a smaller version of Mike Knox in some ways.

I have never liked O'Reilly. There is nothing about him that stands out in any way.As for Black he's a good wrestler, is only 23 or 24 and has a look that the WWE seems to like.His promos could use work. I think that they should bring him in like ROH did. As a heel aligned with somebody who is over and can cut promos and then gradually put him out on his own as a face and hope that the teenage girls who cheer him on can eventually become the whole audience.

Fallen Angel definitely needs to stick with ROH....They have the best pure talent out there. I've heard of a few japanese organizations, but I have yet to see any outside of NJPW.

He may as well stick with ROH. TNA seems unwilling or unable to stick with him in any particular direction or give him a consistent push at this point. He's a face then he's a heel, he's fighting for the title 1 month and jobbing to Sean Morley the next.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

TNA's big men....

TNA needs to revert Abyss back to the way he used to be.........a silent killer.

Matt Morgan is being terribly misused, along with Hernandez...I saw a match where he border tossed D-Von ACROSS the fucking ring....

Kevin Nash....please fucking retire.

Samoa Joe, he needs another title run pronto

Nash should be either working with other vets or putting over young guys, that's it.

Morgan, to me, looks like a star but TNA should have him smashing guys and not doing quickie jobs to D'inero or Anderson. The guy can safely leap off the top rope to the floor without killng himself or the other guy.
Stick Hernandez back with Homicide and let them face MCMG. Hernandez is a beast.
When he comes back from suspension, Joe should continue on with the path they've had him on lately but I'm afraid he's going to get beat by Angle and I don't think that's a good idea.
A silent Abyss? Monsters shouldn't talk.

 

[dirtyd]

kaval/low-ki should have just stuck with roh or tna....vince is bullshitting. Just like he did with haas/shelton.

it's the money!!!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I have never liked O'Reilly. There is nothing about him that stands out in any way.As for Black he's a good wrestler, is only 23 or 24 and has a look that the WWE seems to like.His promos could use work. I think that they should bring him in like ROH did. As a heel aligned with somebody who is over and can cut promos and then gradually put him out on his own as a face and hope that the teenage girls who cheer him on can eventually become the whole audience.


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I wasn't familiar with him until he came to work for NWA Charlotte and formed III with Phil Shatter and Mikal Judas and he really looked good. His promos were good and his work was good with big brawlers and small high flyer. I didn't see him before but he's really turned into a good hand. Doesn't mean he'll succeed in WWE but he's got the tools.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

it's the money!!!

It's not a bad deal. Get some of that WWE money and exposure and you can get your asking price up on the indies when they let you go (see Bryan Danielson).

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Layla El looking real good tonight on NXT, those legs!!!

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

thursday's TNA show supposed to be good(well at least towards the end)..all the former ECW ppl get beat down in the ring and ric flair almost pimpslaps dixie

 

[c_commander]

I wasn't familiar with him until he came to work for NWA Charlotte and formed III with Phil Shatter and Mikal Judas and he really looked good. His promos were good and his work was good with big brawlers and small high flyer. I didn't see him before but he's really turned into a good hand. Doesn't mean he'll succeed in WWE but he's got the tools.

I saw him in Deep South Wrestling which at that time was the WWE's developmental spot. Other people there were Kofi, MVP, Eric Escobar and Mike Knox as well. Nothing stood out to me. Of course, he was playing the generic face role at the time so maybe that had something to do with it. Only time will tell if he makes it to the main roster.

 

[dirtyd]

Why am i supposed to give a crap about alex riley? Honestly he seems like a meathead who's supposed to be intimidating, but if you punch him in the face he'll bitch up quick. I believe the punching bag was rigged for him, because husky looks like he could knock riley's lights out.

 

[Deltronz]

Deltronz is a big CHIKARA fan so he would have to tell about them but I'm really enjoying the MTV Lucha Libre USA show.

I just want to make a small correction, and I apologize if you were implying something else.

Chikara is an American promotion. They get wrestlers from all over the world (USA, Mexico, England, Japan, etc) but they are an American promotion. Easily the most exciting wrestling company in terms of combining elements from wrestling styles from all over the globe. Boatloads of variety in their roster that no company is coming close to touching. For as much as I love ROH (2nd fave indies company) many of those wrestlers are also in Chikara.

Think of it this way when Bryan Danielson and Danielson were cut from their companies, where is the first place they came to wrestle? Chikara. What company is the best female wrestler in the world, Manami Toyota, going to make her American debut? Chikara. What company openly embraces cross-promotion cards more than any other in the USA? I think you get my point

But as far as Japanese promotions, these days, I'd recommend Dragon Gate (there is a show 10 minutes from where I live at the end of this month Ill be attending), NJPW, and NOAH are overall the best these days.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

thursday's TNA show supposed to be good(well at least towards the end)..all the former ECW ppl get beat down in the ring and ric flair almost pimpslaps dixie

I read that and I'm looking forward to it.

Looks like they're going to give Fortune a real run.

I saw him in Deep South Wrestling which at that time was the WWE's developmental spot. Other people there were Kofi, MVP, Eric Escobar and Mike Knox as well. Nothing stood out to me. Of course, he was playing the generic face role at the time so maybe that had something to do with it. Only time will tell if he makes it to the main roster.

With that crew, he wouldn't stand out but he's put in the work and he's been a heel the entire time I've seen him.

I just want to make a small correction, and I apologize if you were implying something else.

Chikara is an American promotion. They get wrestlers from all over the world (USA, Mexico, England, Japan, etc) but they are an American promotion. Easily the most exciting wrestling company in terms of combining elements from wrestling styles from all over the globe. Boatloads of variety in their roster that no company is coming close to touching. For as much as I love ROH (2nd fave indies company) many of those wrestlers are also in Chikara.

Think of it this way when Bryan Danielson and Danielson were cut from their companies, where is the first place they came to wrestle? Chikara. What company is the best female wrestler in the world, Manami Toyota, going to make her American debut? Chikara. What company openly embraces cross-promotion cards more than any other in the USA? I think you get my point

But as far as Japanese promotions, these days, I'd recommend Dragon Gate (there is a show 10 minutes from where I live at the end of this month Ill be attending), NJPW, and NOAH are overall the best these days.

I didn't mean to imply Chikara was a Japanese fed, just that they use a lot of Japanese talent in prominent roles.

 

[Deltronz]

I didn't mean to imply Chikara was a Japanese fed, just that they use a lot of Japanese talent in prominent roles.

That's cool. One of my friends has this weird "disinterest" in Japanese wrestling promotions (for stupid reasons, I assure you). So he refused to even give Chikara a chance thinking it was one. So I tricked him into watching 2 matches (I cut out the entrances where you can see the Chikara logo). He got hooked and has been a fan ever since

 

[Deltronz]

Layla El looking real good tonight on NXT, those legs!!!

You got that right. As far as I'm concerned, she's STILL the best looking diva in the WWE (improving a lot as a wrestler too). Those legs, that ass, that face....a winning combination.

 

[BCAA2009]

You got that right. As far as I'm concerned, she's STILL the best looking diva in the WWE (improving a lot as a wrestler too). Those legs, that ass, that face....a winning combination.

how DARE you say that in front of my Alicia!!!!

 

[FamoBenton]

You got that right. As far as I'm concerned, she's STILL the best looking diva in the WWE (improving a lot as a wrestler too). Those legs, that ass, that face....a winning combination.

She been the baddest for years. Saying it is redundant at this point.

And personally, she's cool as fuck too if you get to talk to her

 

[Deltronz]

how DARE you say that in front of my Alicia!!!!

And the silver metal goes to...

 

[BCAA2009]

And the silver metal goes to...

But that's ok.......I remember an "animal" answering her hotel room phone when they were overseas...I forgot who said that, but they were prank calling Layla and guess who answers....

 

[AOD]

You got that right. As far as I'm concerned, she's STILL the best looking diva in the WWE (improving a lot as a wrestler too). Those legs, that ass, that face....a winning combination.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

how DARE you say that in front of my Alicia!!!!

I like Alicia, but ain't no way she touchin' Layla. I would hold Layla's hand and skip happily with her in public in front of my peoples - she's that fine.

 

[kness.]

But as far as Japanese promotions, these days, I'd recommend Dragon Gate (there is a show 10 minutes from where I live at the end of this month Ill be attending), NJPW, and NOAH are overall the best these days.

I agree with that. Dragon Gate is my favorite Japanese promotion. The pay per view show they did last month was probably the best overall show they have ever done. The Shingo/BxB Hulk and Yamato/Yoshino matches were both fantastic and definitely worth checking out. I keep up with New Japan, I try to watch matches that I hear are good. With the G1 tournament going on, there should be some good matches, especially on the last two days. I haven't watched any NOAH in over a year. With Misawa's death and Kobashi being injured, they are really struggling.

Manami Toyota coming in to Chikara is really interested. It would be nice if they had her against Amazing Kong, or if they could get Ayako Hamada in. Those could be a great match.

 

[dirtyd]

But that's ok.......I remember an "animal" answering her hotel room phone when they were overseas...I forgot who said that, but they were prank calling Layla and guess who answers....

I believe london & kendrick were the ones who did that, most of the divas are ho bags so it's not a shock.

 

[BCAA2009]

I believe london & kendrick were the ones who did that, most of the divas are ho bags so it's not a shock.

All except for Alicia.........I'm capin' for her till the day she joins TNA and starts jobbing for Sarita.

 

[dirtyd]

All except for Alicia.........I'm capin' for her till the day she joins TNA and starts jobbing for Sarita.

Dude she done had every white dude from FCW up in her stuff...i know it's like finding out about santa claus

 

[BCAA2009]

I find it odd that none of these wrestling divas have gotten knocked up by another wrestler.........



my bad.....abortions...



oh....my bad again...Booker T/Sharmell ...married.

Haas/Jackie...married.

Drew Mcintyre/Tiffany..married.

HHH..fucks Chyna, fucks Steph..marries Steph.


so no wrestler baby mama/baby daddy drama

 

[dirtyd]

I find it odd that none of these wrestling divas have gotten knocked up by another wrestler.........



my bad.....abortions...



oh....my bad again...Booker T/Sharmell ...married.

Haas/Jackie...married.

Drew Mcintyre/Tiffany..married.

HHH..fucks Chyna, fucks Steph..marries Steph.


so no wrestler baby mama/baby daddy drama

Pretty soon HHH/Steph will be able to start their own federation with all the rugrats they'll end up having.

 

[c_commander]

I find it odd that none of these wrestling divas have gotten knocked up by another wrestler.........



my bad.....abortions...



oh....my bad again...Booker T/Sharmell ...married.

Haas/Jackie...married.

Drew Mcintyre/Tiffany..married.

HHH..fucks Chyna, fucks Steph..marries Steph.


so no wrestler baby mama/baby daddy drama

You forgot
Billy Kidman/Torrie Wilson...married and divorced
Shawn Michaels/Nitro Girl Whisper...married
Beth Phoenix is married to an indy wrestler
Jazz/Rodney Mack...married
Tommy Dreamer/Beulah McGillicutty...married

 

[Upgrade Dave]

That's cool. One of my friends has this weird "disinterest" in Japanese wrestling promotions (for stupid reasons, I assure you). So he refused to even give Chikara a chance thinking it was one. So I tricked him into watching 2 matches (I cut out the entrances where you can see the Chikara logo). He got hooked and has been a fan ever since

You got that right. As far as I'm concerned, she's STILL the best looking diva in the WWE (improving a lot as a wrestler too). Those legs, that ass, that face....a winning combination.

Yeah, she's it. I would pick Alicia but she needs to get a Black hairdresser. Her shit is distractingly bad.
But she's getting nice in the ring.

how DARE you say that in front of my Alicia!!!!

You forgot
Billy Kidman/Torrie Wilson...married and divorced
Shawn Michaels/Nitro Girl Whisper...married
Beth Phoenix is married to an indy wrestler
Jazz/Rodney Mack...married
Tommy Dreamer/Beulah McGillicutty...married

And David Flair used to live with Stacy Keibler, who then dated Test for a while.
Luna is/was married to Gangrel. Her house just burned down. She's looking for people who have any memorabilia to help her rebuild her collection. I might send her a copy of Battle of the Belts 2 when she seconded Kevin Sullivan, The Purple Haze (Mark Lewin) and Bob "Maya Singh" Roop against the Road Warriors and Blackjack Mulligan.

 

[blackras9]

Beer Money and the MCMG's look like the best tag teams in wrestling right now. Period. This is the only match I have seen all night without ONE blown spot.

Side note: Angle is clearly getting up there in age....I hope this is his last run because I don't think he has it anymore.

 

[blackras9]

And no one can sell a move like Robert Roode...