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THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL
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WWE's tag division is officially full of shit now.
Usos.....jobbers.
Who else is there? Hart Dynasty? about to break up....
I personally would have paired Cody Rhodes with Dolph Ziggler. I'm just not that entertained by Raw as much as TNA or ROH. ROH to me has the best talent as far as pure wrestling. TNA has decent storylines and the best looking women wrestlers. Tara,Velvet,Mickie James,Angelina > WWE Divas.
If TNA gets Alicia and Layla, they'll have the women wrestler/eye candy on lock.
Usos.....jobbers.
Who else is there? Hart Dynasty? about to break up....
I personally would have paired Cody Rhodes with Dolph Ziggler. I'm just not that entertained by Raw as much as TNA or ROH. ROH to me has the best talent as far as pure wrestling. TNA has decent storylines and the best looking women wrestlers. Tara,Velvet,Mickie James,Angelina > WWE Divas.
If TNA gets Alicia and Layla, they'll have the women wrestler/eye candy on lock.
Well, looks like I'll be calling in to work this weekend. Time to burn some DVD's and make some homemade grande nachos. The wife is gonna be pissed.
Thanks a lot for contributing to my old school wrestling collection and making my wife mad.
BTW, anyone seen that Jericho DVD? Is it any good?
Yep. Big Show as a babyface is a very entertaining promo. He ain't even listed
. What about Curt Hennig, Bad News Brown, Rick Martel? These three off the top of my head can shit out promos better than Cena, Triple H, and Sheamus
If they induct Simmons they should induct Butch Reed as well. Teddy Long could do the honors. I know Teddy and Ron will lobby for Reed in the future.
I agree. Good dvd.
IMO Austin fell off promo wise after hart left, and he found it again when he teamed up with vince. But for a long stretch he basically came out yelled gibberish and said "give me a hell yeah". The "What" chant to me is the most annoying chant in wrestling, i loved it in 01 but by 02-03 i was done with it. Rock was so damn impressive on the mic i remember going to school tuesday after raw and everyone black, white, mexican and asian had his shit memorized word for word.
If the WWE is ever serious about tag team wrestling again (I'm not holding my breath), it would be great if they steal ideas from indies companies (as they have in the past), by implementing the Chikara point system. In that system, tag teams have to win three consecutive matches before they have earned a title shot. If they lose a match, for example, after their 2nd win, then automatically their points revert back to zero and they have to start their win streak all over again. Plus, to accelerate the process, in a 4 corners elimination match, the team left standing after three eliminations automatically earns three points.
But all that is a pipedream if WWE isn't interesting in tag team wrestling.
Just throwing ideas out there (and once again, plugging the awesomeness that is Chikara). Who says "family entertainment" has to insult your intelligence. Chikara is proving that show after after show, it's certainly a PG company.
I'm going to have to agree with you on that (which is difficult, because I almost always agree with Upgrade Dave on everything wrestling related). After Austin's work against the Hart Foundation, I don't think he brought anything to the mic on the level of The Rock during the Rock's final heel stint (which boggles my mind how much more The Rock could've contributed, if he wanted to, with stuff on that level).
And they've broken up Vance Archer and Curt Hawkins, a team with good potential, before they got any run at all. Now they're down to The Dudebusters.
I cannot disagree with the idea that Austin fell off after the Hart feud and Rock definitely elevated his game, dipped some, and then got it back with his (kinda) heel turn. But I'll stick with Austin because he was the gamechanger. With one promo at King of the Ring, he changed the landscape of WWF with no help from management at all. Plus I'm going to give him points for having years of good solid promo work as "Stunning" Steve and planting the seeds to "Stone Cold" with his work as "Superstar" Steve Austin in ECW (watch it and see "Stone Cold" with hair).
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Bret Hart
Lex Luger
The Rock
Steve Austin
Jake Roberts
Ricky Steamboat
Jimmy Snuka
Rob Van Damn
Terry Funk
British Bulldog
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The Rock
Steve Austin
Jake Roberts
Ricky Steamboat
Jimmy Snuka
Rob Van Damn
Terry Funk
British Bulldog
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Oh i've seen stonecold thru every era he's been in but i still have to say rock, although his KOR speech had michael hayes look like "um can he say that"
The one person who continually gets overlooked is jake roberts, this man was one of the greatest talkers ever i wrestling but all people remember about him now is him being drunk and exposing himself. Cena when he was heel was decent but as a face his promos are literally vomit inducing sometimes honestly in the history of wrestling when it comes to talking he's probably #75.Oh i've seen stonecold thru every era he's been in but i still have to say rock, although his KOR speech had michael hayes look like "um can he say that"
Jake Roberts was scary with his shit. He took what he learned in Georgia and Mid South and he really was the prototype for "Stone Cold" as a heel who, with ice cold promos and a great finisher, had to be turned face just because fans wouldn't boo him anymore.
You remember this theme here this was the shit back in the day when i was a kid
Oh yeah that smackdown game looks sweet but it might be that cute girl with stank breath type game
Jake shot back on my favorite list when he turned back heel on Randy Savage. When dude slapped Elizabeth at Tuesday in Texas, I thought that place was going to explode. Dude got old school heat and it was great. He also got me when he appeared in WCW and ddt'ed Sting. This was before the internet so I was shocked to see him.
He also got me when he appeared in WCW and ddt'ed Sting. This was before the internet so I was shocked to see him.
damn you took me back with this one. Jake was at his best when he was a heel. That shut he did to the Ultimate Warrior was classic.
Hell yeah. That's why they turned the Undertaker because Warrior left instead of feuding with Jake. I didn't understand the stuff with Warrior at first but when he turned on Warrior, it was genius.
He also got me when he appeared in WCW and ddt'ed Sting. This was before the internet so I was shocked to see him.
Speaking of Tuesday in Texas.....I was really surprised that Hogan let Undertaker go over him....even though it wasnt clean.
Only beef I have with the Warrior was the behind the scenes stuff. Seems like he was too greedy. He wasn't the best wrestler, but he knew how to put on a show and he brought maaaaad energy to his matches. I wish money hadn't got in the way of that cause we missed out on a lot of shit cause he kept rollin out.
~Vince McMahon Says He Needs Smackdown To Be The Number 1 Brand~
WrestleZone has exclusively learned that in more than one creative meeting over the past two weeks, WWE Chairman Vince McMahon has informed the writers that he wants Smackdown to be "treated as the number one brand," including opening up the possibility of more trades in order to strengthen the brand.
McMahon feels that a sub-par rating for Smackdown on SyFy would injure WWE's standing with NBC-U, who McMahon is looking to for help in launching the proposed WWE Network. While some on the writing staff are actually trying to come up with scenarios that would include trades or Smackdown getting more exposure (like winning the battle royal tonight on Raw), others on the writing staff have not jumped at this latest "fire alarm" (as a creative team member described it tonight), saying "this is just how Vince reacts to pressure. He says this about all major groups and factions."
Its All About the Moneyyyyyyyyyyyy
WrestleZone has exclusively learned that in more than one creative meeting over the past two weeks, WWE Chairman Vince McMahon has informed the writers that he wants Smackdown to be "treated as the number one brand," including opening up the possibility of more trades in order to strengthen the brand.
McMahon feels that a sub-par rating for Smackdown on SyFy would injure WWE's standing with NBC-U, who McMahon is looking to for help in launching the proposed WWE Network. While some on the writing staff are actually trying to come up with scenarios that would include trades or Smackdown getting more exposure (like winning the battle royal tonight on Raw), others on the writing staff have not jumped at this latest "fire alarm" (as a creative team member described it tonight), saying "this is just how Vince reacts to pressure. He says this about all major groups and factions."
Its All About the Moneyyyyyyyyyyyy
I liked Jake but I wasn't as big a fan when he was a face so when Earthquake (RIP) squashed him, that shit made my day. Then they had snakeburgers or some shit later on Primetime Wrestling. Classic.
Hulk was on the way out and this was supposed to be the way to get the belt on Flair without him beating Hogan and for them to go at Mania with, of course, Hulk going over. But since Hulk was taking time off, that was thrown out and Savage put in his spot and Hulk wrestled Sid.
~Vince McMahon Says He Needs Smackdown To Be The Number 1 Brand~
WrestleZone has exclusively learned that in more than one creative meeting over the past two weeks, WWE Chairman Vince McMahon has informed the writers that he wants Smackdown to be "treated as the number one brand," including opening up the possibility of more trades in order to strengthen the brand.
McMahon feels that a sub-par rating for Smackdown on SyFy would injure WWE's standing with NBC-U, who McMahon is looking to for help in launching the proposed WWE Network. While some on the writing staff are actually trying to come up with scenarios that would include trades or Smackdown getting more exposure (like winning the battle royal tonight on Raw), others on the writing staff have not jumped at this latest "fire alarm" (as a creative team member described it tonight), saying "this is just how Vince reacts to pressure. He says this about all major groups and factions."
Its All About the Moneyyyyyyyyyyyy
Oh shit. Does that mean we'll be getting more of Raw's sports entertainment instead of the more wrestling-oriented show we've had for the last few years?
Fuck Vince anyway. No one told him to trash the SD roster with the draft the last few times. The only time SD came off well in the draft was when they were switching channels so they got HHH and JR for a hot minute.
Hey Upgrade Dave......Heres a question......Was Bret Hart supposed to go solo in '88? that summer, he was on the cover of WWF magazine by himself. and I see they had him working house shows against Mr. Perfect in '89.
I know there was talks of it right before Wrestlemania 4 but what was the hold up?
I know there was talks of it right before Wrestlemania 4 but what was the hold up?
I don't know. It seemed like it at the time and I remember being surprised when he got back with Neidhart.
Good question. I'll go ask a real expert and get back to you.
would love to see this occur on Raw..wade barrett has had enough of cena and throws him into a soda machine
Neidhart was gonna quit. So they were gonna have Bret go solo but at the 11th hour Neidhart decided to stay.
'Preciate it. Here I was about to break out his autobiography.
I was too but I had the story in the back of my head...took awhile to think it up tho lol.
Ah, the brotherhood of wrestling fans strikes again.
Yup, I've neen watching since the 70s...77 I think.
Same here. I still vaguely remember Ric Flair and Blackjack Mulligan being NWA tag champs and when guys who are retired now just were breaking in, like Terry Taylor.
~BORN's RANDOM WRESTLING STUFF #1~
Ted Dibiase was scheduled to win the World Title at WM originally, but WWF changed their plans at the last minute. Literally, a few days before the show.
It all started from the Honky Tonk Man as he refused to lose the IC belt back to Savage(fearing they had nothing planned for him after which they didn't) and threaten to jump to the nwa with it
then Savage went nuts and was promised the title at mania
He was then gonna drop it to Dibiase who would then drop it back to Hogan at mania but the mega powers exploding became a better storyline
Dibiase got screwed by being the only professional
Honky Tonk Man also refused to put over Bret Hart and bad news brown until finally seeing dollar signs in the Ultimate Warrior
Ted Dibiase was scheduled to win the World Title at WM originally, but WWF changed their plans at the last minute. Literally, a few days before the show.
It all started from the Honky Tonk Man as he refused to lose the IC belt back to Savage(fearing they had nothing planned for him after which they didn't) and threaten to jump to the nwa with it
then Savage went nuts and was promised the title at mania
He was then gonna drop it to Dibiase who would then drop it back to Hogan at mania but the mega powers exploding became a better storyline
Dibiase got screwed by being the only professional
Honky Tonk Man also refused to put over Bret Hart and bad news brown until finally seeing dollar signs in the Ultimate Warrior