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Colin Farrell Open to ‘The Penguin’ Season 2: “Of Course I Would Do It”​






Colin was saying this after the very first episode numbers came back.

Contracts gonna be NICE.
 

playahaitian

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broke my heart...

yet i knew...he couldn't go forward with him
Vic had the oppurtunity to leave with his baddie chick and start a new life.

He chose to stay and that sealed his fate

If I was writing the next season? When his mom finally says something?

Her very first whisper would be... "Where's Victor?"




And as we see in this scene?

His mother WAS proud of him and he missed it.

And Victor was the one to make her see it.
 

benny_negro

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Bro i think you misreading the whole series; Oz story was very tragic; he killed his own brothers!!!! Sophie was tragic as well; she wasnt gullible just got did dirty by her pops!!!
We talkin bout different things.

Tragic means something specific in craft of storytelling

Most pro writers base shit off Aristotle blueprint and therein are tragedies and comedies.

Tragedy is where flaws aren’t learned from or overcome - so Oedipus or Vincent Vega character in Pulp Fiction and Sofia

Comedies are the opposite - so any horror flick with a final girl is an Aristotelian comedy and Oz in this is also living a happily Aristotelian comedic hero’s fantasy lol he’s the final “bird” lmao

Most fiction is comedy where hero or lead overcomes obstacles AND can only survive by overcoming an otherwise tragic flaw

You said it yourself re: Sofia —
And Sofia with the classic villain trope, talk too much just kill the guy
Naive. Gullible. Call it what you want. It’s a problem for her. She’s averse to mercilessness, but playin a ruthless game…

She’s not just talkin. She’s conflicted.
 

playahaitian

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We talkin bout different things.

Tragic means something specific in craft of storytelling

Most pro writers base shit off Aristotle blueprint and therein are tragedies and comedies.

Tragedy is where flaws aren’t learned from or overcome - so Oedipus or Vincent Vega character in Pulp Fiction and Sofia
Comedies are the opposite - so any horror flick with a final girl is an Aristotelian comedy and Oz in this is also living a happily Aristotelian comedic hero’s fantasy lol he’s the final “bird” lmao

Most fiction is comedy where hero or lead overcomes obstacles AND can only survive by overcoming an otherwise tragic flaw

You said it yourself re: Sofia —

Naive. Gullible. Call it what you want. It’s a problem for her. She’s averse to mercilessness, but playin a ruthless game…

She’s not just talkin. She’s conflicted.

I don't know if I agree with that part.
 

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Then fuggedaboudit lol
I don't know if I agree with that part.
But no. In all seriousness

Just compare her to Oz

That dude was/is merciless. Not heartless.

They both do love.

He can just adapt no matter what.

What he wants matters more than anything else to him.

Vics end shows him he’s gotta tighten up. He’s gonna pull that trigger every time.

I was surprised he didn’t Merc da hoe in last moments too lol

But he found a genuine way for her to serve him for now — gon get her too tho when her useful runs out lol
 

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I'm saying gassing your whole family, beating a woman to death, shooting a man in the head in a crowded room, torturing various people and destroying that young girl's life is pretty merciless.

but that's just me
I got what you sayin

Assume my second message clarifies


And yea. Much of this shit is self defense/survival for her. Some of it is theater… headshot for ex

Her ambition is shaky lol and her regrets are real

Great character pairing Oz and Sofia
 
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playahaitian

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But no. In all seriousness

Just compare her to Oz

That dude was/is merciless. Not heartless.

They both do love.

He can just adapt no matter what.

What he wants matters more than anything else to him.

Vics end shows him he’s gotta tighten up. He’s gonna pull that trigger every time.

I was surprised he didn’t Merc da hoe in last moments too lol

But he found a genuine way for her to serve him for now — gon get her too tho when her useful runs out lol

Hmm... I don't think you can DO that though.

Oz having brief pangs of conscious to me is just that... echoes of a humanity long lost.

EVERYTHING is calculated and a means to HIS own end.

everything is based on his own greed lust pride and gluttony.

and HIS mercy that is given has NOTHING to do with heart

It has to do with opportunity and ensuring his own personal myth that he IS a good person in any way shape of form can survive however diaphanous

Sofia was MADE this way (no excuses) but we could argue Oz was BORN this way.

Having the ability or capacity for mercy when it suits your ends to me is something different as opposed to literally fighting demons.

Perhaps two sides of the same coin or semantics but a difference nonetheless to me.
 

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I got what you sayin

Assume my second message clarifies


And yea. Much of this shit is self defense/survival for her. Some of it is theater… headshot for ex

Her ambition is shaky lol and her regrets are real

Great character pairing Oz and Sofia

^^^

now as critical as I am of the show?

THAT to me is what sets it apart and makes it stand on its on.

THAT was brilliant casting acting and storytelling.

Sofia was his true RIVAL and not many shows could have pulled that off believably
 

playahaitian

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I got what you sayin

Assume my second message clarifies


And yea. Much of this shit is self defense/survival for her. Some of it is theater… headshot for ex

Her ambition is shaky lol and her regrets are real

Great character pairing Oz and Sofia

Reasons dont matter though.

She IS MERCILESS when she needs to and wants to be.

And it was a wonderful contrast we witness

Vic first murder

Sofia's first murder

Oz's first murder (we ASSUME)

and now the AUDIENCE are the judges & witnesses

Our own biases, what we are SHOWN, what we SEE, what we THINK WE SEE, color all that.

Someone could see all 3 of those murders as merciless, justified, survival, calculated or all of the above.
 

playahaitian

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We talkin bout different things.

Tragic means something specific in craft of storytelling

Most pro writers base shit off Aristotle blueprint and therein are tragedies and comedies.

Tragedy is where flaws aren’t learned from or overcome - so Oedipus or Vincent Vega character in Pulp Fiction and Sofia

Comedies are the opposite - so any horror flick with a final girl is an Aristotelian comedy and Oz in this is also living a happily Aristotelian comedic hero’s fantasy lol he’s the final “bird” lmao

Most fiction is comedy where hero or lead overcomes obstacles AND can only survive by overcoming an otherwise tragic flaw

You said it yourself re: Sofia —

Naive. Gullible. Call it what you want. It’s a problem for her. She’s averse to mercilessness, but playin a ruthless game…

She’s not just talkin. She’s conflicted.

Another time and another thread we will have to discuss this point you made.
 

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Bro I honestly could argue it either way.

What you say @ViCiouS
it would be lazy ...


We talkin bout different things.

Tragic means something specific in craft of storytelling

Most pro writers base shit off Aristotle blueprint and therein are tragedies and comedies.

Tragedy is where flaws aren’t learned from or overcome - so Oedipus or Vincent Vega character in Pulp Fiction and Sofia

Comedies are the opposite - so any horror flick with a final girl is an Aristotelian comedy and Oz in this is also living a happily Aristotelian comedic hero’s fantasy lol he’s the final “bird” lmao

Most fiction is comedy where hero or lead overcomes obstacles AND can only survive by overcoming an otherwise tragic flaw

You said it yourself re: Sofia —

Naive. Gullible. Call it what you want. It’s a problem for her. She’s averse to mercilessness, but playin a ruthless game…

She’s not just talkin. She’s conflicted.
 

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Vacation approved for the week of Thanksgiving.

Gonna sit on the couch and binge all the episodes back to back in front of the Big Screen in the living room.

Will give my review when done.
 
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