Why are Latinos and others groups trying to say they created Hip-Hop when it was really Black people?

[An RnB Thug]

Listen to the interview around 1:18:00 and go forward and listen to what Fat Joe and the guy interviewing him are saying.





@An RnB Thug
@Last Dayz

@Soul On Ice
I ain't hear him say Latinos created Rap.
He said Hip Hop was Black & Latino music.
Meaning THEY listened to it ALONG with us in the beginning.
Which 100% true. I had TONS of Spanish Kids in my Class
banging on the table making the "Planet Rock" beat WITH ME.
It was their music too

I'm waiting for a clip where he SAYS they CREATED Rap
Still waiting......

 

[TENT]

Kind sir, are you from the Bronx NY?

SIIIIIIKEEE

 

[TENT]

Who are you? What element of hip hop did you create?
Latinos were involved Bronx is full of them.
They were DJ-ing, hosting parties and dancing.

You all over the place. It aint nothing to give credit nigga.

Latinos WERE there.

I should add that obviously, Latinos did not create hip-hop in any way, shape or form. When I say that, I mean all four elements, just to be clear.

A lot of them were biased....I won't say racist because the Puerto Ricans were cool for the most part, long as you didn't try to get at they sister (inside joke for any native NYCer). But they had that bias from their parents in certain things. Now, they parents, straight racist.

BTW, I'm speaking mostly on Puerto Ricans. There were Dominicans around but they really was on that shit. I don't even recall a Dominican even being involved in hip-hop until AZ, seriously. I'm sure there was one or two, but for the most part, nah. But Puerto Ricans was right in the hood with us, moreso than anybody else. Those other Latino cultures either kept to themselves or lied about where they were from.

Anyway, like I said, most were cool & did contribute/add on once hip-hop got going. And for that, they got shitted on....a lot. This made some of them fuck with you when nobody (Latino) wasn't looking but diss you when they peoples was around. Which caused hella beefs.

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

Kind sir, are you from the Bronx NY?

Kind Sir did you see the vid I posted of 1940s rapping

 

[TENT]

Man you crazy.
Harlem don't know shit about the origins of rap.
Yall know CRACK ROCK.

Older Jamaicans not liking reggae means what exactly?

You stupid as fuck. Your old playing hating Harlem ass don't know if there was dancehall back then..

You wasn't invited !!!!!!!!!

My man, you don't know what you talking about.

I remember the block parties & park jams. Rap music was inspired by disco/R & B because of the beat breaks. It gave cats that "funded/hosted" the event the chance to say a little something to the people while the DJ set up the next song/blend. That then turned into DJs doing their own saying something (because of watching DJ Hollywood in Harlem doing it & rocking the crowd). Then the DJ got some of his homies to do it for him so he could go back to blending the music. That's how MCing began.

As for Jamaica being the first to do rap...LMAO!!! Ask those older Jamaicans what they thought about hip-hop back then. Truth be told, them older Jamaicans barely tolerated reggae & that's probably because of Bob Marley. If you didn't go up to the 220s, you didn't hear reggae music (there was no dancehall then). Period.

BTW, I'm a native New Yorker, born & bred in Harlem, NYC. Family all over NYC.

Know what you are talking about before you comment, homie. It's a lot of cats that were there in the beginning of it all. And that's not just hip-hop I'm referencing either.

 

[WattDogs]

Who are you? What element of hip hop did you create?
Latinos were involved Bronx is full of them.
They were DJ-ing, hosting parties and dancing.

You all over the place. It aint nothing to give credit nigga.

Latinos WERE there.

I'm a native New Yorker. Something you are not. You read about it...I lived it.

Where Latinos involved? Yes.

Did they create hip-hop? No.

Did you read a word of what I wrote earlier?

Ima put you onto game...again, being I'm from here & you wouldn't read this anywhere.

Ask any Latino DJ of that time....who did they learn to DJ from? Latinos back then didn't DJ...they played live music. So....how did they learn to DJ? From who?

 

[Soul On Ice]

@An RnB Thug

 

[BKF]

Not when I saw him.

He was the first MC from when Herc got started. So when you saw him it may have been a later time.

Yet once again Herc did not bring toasting from Jamaica to America.
Jive talking by American DJs (radio/club/streets) was already here and being done before toasting was done in Jamaica.

The original toasters in Jamaica learned from American DJs on the radio in Miami and New Orleans.

 

[WattDogs]

Man you crazy.
Harlem don't know shit about the origins of rap.
Yall know CRACK ROCK.

Older Jamaicans not liking reggae means what exactly?

You stupid as fuck. Your old playing hating Harlem ass don't know if there was dancehall back then..

You wasn't invited !!!!!!!!!

Oh....I see now...

You trolling.

I was taking you serious & thinking you was sincere.

 

[TENT]

Dummy. Read what I wrote.
Who were the breakdancers and graffiti artists?
Latinos helped create yall hip hop culture.
Hip Hop culture is bullshit imo.

RAP MUSIC WAS CREATED BY JAMAICANS.


Harlem had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.

SO YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.

I'm a native New Yorker. Something you are not. You read about it...I lived it.

Where Latinos involved? Yes.

Did they create hip-hop? No.

Did you read a word of what I wrote earlier?

Ima put you onto game...again, being I'm from here & you wouldn't read this anywhere.

Ask any Latino DJ of that time....who did they learn to DJ from? Latinos back then didn't DJ...they played live music. So....how did they learn to DJ? From who?

 

[TENT]

Where are you from? Honestly answer this question.
Cause you aint from NYC and def not from the Bronx asking these questions in 2022.

Also if Jamaicans started rap, shouldn't there be a like a I don't know, a presence before or after Cool Herc lol?
I mean I know they didn't have video cameras or recording material there in the 60s or 70s (according to BGOL) to prove there point, but I need proof son lol.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Dummy. Read what I wrote.
Who were the breakdancers and graffiti artists?
Latinos helped create yall hip hop culture.
Hip Hop culture is bullshit imo.

RAP MUSIC WAS CREATED BY JAMAICANS.


Harlem had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.

SO YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.

If niggas started jumping off the tops of shanty houses onto thots waiting on the ground spread eagle , we'd give you credit. Not say we created that trend.

 

[BKF]

Dummy. Read what I wrote.
Who were the breakdancers and graffiti artists?
Latinos helped create yall hip hop culture.
Hip Hop culture is bullshit imo.

RAP MUSIC WAS CREATED BY JAMAICANS.


Harlem had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.

SO YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.

Latinos started break dancing later towards the 80's and not in the beginning. The original b boys were black (Black Spades).

How can Jamaicans start something that was already in existence??

 

[TENT]

Yeah ok. That isn't true Jamaican Culture. They trying to go viral to impress you.

If niggas started jumping off the tops of shanty houses onto thots waiting on the ground spread eagle , we'd give you credit. Not say we created that trend.

 

[TENT]

Right ok.
The first Bboys were black and latino.
This is just a fact.

Stop the bullshit.

You are not from the Bronx NY.

Latinos started break dancing later towards the 80's and not in the beginning. The original b boys were black (Black Spades).

How can Jamaicans start something that was already in existence??

 

[TENT]

Are you smoking crack right now?
I know a crack head when I see one.

Oh....I see now...

You trolling.

I was taking you serious & thinking you was sincere.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Where are you from? Honestly answer this question.
Cause you aint from NYC and def not from the Bronx asking these questions in 2022.

Where's the Jamaican Nas?
The yardi Rakim?!

 

[True Real Info]

All Jamaicans dont think this Boss...some do but not all...we (along with other Caribbeans such as the great Grandmaster Flash) influenced the creation of hip hop and shouldnt be erased from it like some are trying to do but the core of hip hop is Black American...hip hop is a Black American music art form no question...and yes, Jamaican music was influenced by American R&B along with other influences such as Cuba

If Fat Joe is saying there were latinos at the beginning while respecting that it is Black American music, there is nothing wrong with that. If he is saying something different, thats a problem.

Pretty soon, I suspect there will be an attempt to either remove or dilute New York's influence in the birth of hip hop because that better fits the narrative of some that want to remove certain groups from early hip hop history

Nobody wants to remove anybody,which is the source of the pushback. Its being mischaracterized as an attack because of implicit bias.

What raises my suspicion of people who talk like this is the timing.

Hip hop through the 80s and 2000s always acknowledged carribbean contributions. This was done via collaborations and cameos. From Pac linking with Patra in her “romantic call” video to Sean Paul and beyonce.

Reggae and ska always acknowledged black American contributions via covers and samples. Bob Marley was the most notable but Peter Tosh did as well. Nobody said “we started reggae and/or ska” when reggae and ska became a global powerhouse. It is uniquely jamaican irregardless of outside influences.

Rap over the last 10-20 years has fashioned the mainstream American culture and the rise of social medias cut out the middle men (execs). Hip hop culture went global to the point that the American dance federation is trying to insert “modern dance” into early hip hop history. Now these guys want to claim a larger piece of the pie when their presence was never denied in the first place.

All the pushback fat joe, are getting is just that,pushback with facts.


How long have these guys thought these things but never said it aloud,especially coming from a guy who named himself after an American footballer?

This all seems disingenuous and some folk thought african Americans were gonna just let it slide.

 

[woodchuck]

Graf is not one of the original elements of hip hop. Y'all young people got it twisted. Graf writers were into heavy metal, because the aggressive nature of the music fueled them. Fab 5 Freddy included them for the sake of marketing. Not what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

 

[BKF]

Right ok.
The first Bboys were black and latino.
This is just a fact.

Stop the bullshit.

You are not from the Bronx NY.

No just black. Latinos came later.

 

[BKF]

Graf is not one of the original elements of hip hop. Y'all young people got it twisted. Graf writers were into heavy metal, because the aggressive nature of the music fueled them. Fab 5 Freddy included them for the sake of marketing. Not what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

Graf started in Philadelphia and not by a guy who listened to heavy metal.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Dummy. Read what I wrote.
Who were the breakdancers and graffiti artists?
Latinos helped create yall hip hop culture.
Hip Hop culture is bullshit imo.

RAP MUSIC WAS CREATED BY JAMAICANS.


Harlem had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS.

SO YOU NEED TO BE QUIET.

What did yonkers contribute? Being that you not from the 5 boroughs and nobody recognized yonkers until the 90s

 

[Megatron X]

Nobody wants to remove anybody,which is the source of the pushback. Its being mischaracterized as an attack because of implicit bias.

What raises my suspicion of people who talk like this is the timing.

Hip hop through the 80s and 2000s always acknowledged carribbean contributions. This was done via collaborations and cameos. From Pac linking with Patra in her “romantic call” video to Sean Paul and beyonce.

Reggae and ska always acknowledged black American contributions via covers and samples. Bob Marley was the most notable but Peter Tosh did as well. Nobody said “we started reggae and/or ska” when reggae and ska became a global powerhouse. It is uniquely jamaican irregardless of outside influences.

Rap over the last 10-20 years has fashioned the mainstream American culture and the rise of social medias cut out the middle men (execs). Hip hop culture went global to the point that the American dance federation is trying to insert “modern dance” into early hip hop history. Now these guys want to claim a larger piece of the pie when their presence was never denied in the first place.

All the pushback fat joe, are getting is just that,pushback with facts.


How long have these guys thought these things but never said it aloud,especially coming from a guy who named himself after an American footballer?

This all seems disingenuous and some folk thought african Americans were gonna just let it slide.

This nappy headed ho said he had more in common with Latinos. Those black immigrants will have more of a connection with Latinos than black Americans and Latinos despise black immigrants. He said Jamaican culture influences American culture and Americans have no culture. This slimy piece of shit was not talking like this back in the day. They use and exploit black American culture and then diss Black Americans when they're on their feet.

 

[BKF]

Nobody wants to remove anybody,which is the source of the pushback. Its being mischaracterized as an attack because of implicit bias.

What raises my suspicion of people who talk like this is the timing.

Hip hop through the 80s and 2000s always acknowledged carribbean contributions. This was done via collaborations and cameos. From Pac linking with Patra in her “romantic call” video to Sean Paul and beyonce.

Reggae and ska always acknowledged black American contributions via covers and samples. Bob Marley was the most notable but Peter Tosh did as well. Nobody said “we started reggae and/or ska” when reggae and ska became a global powerhouse. It is uniquely jamaican irregardless of outside influences.

Rap over the last 10-20 years has fashioned the mainstream American culture and the rise of social medias cut out the middle men (execs). Hip hop culture went global to the point that the American dance federation is trying to insert “modern dance” into early hip hop history. Now these guys want to claim a larger piece of the pie when their presence was never denied in the first place.

All the pushback fat joe, are getting is just that,pushback with facts.


How long have these guys thought these things but never said it aloud,especially coming from a guy who named himself after an American footballer?

This all seems disingenuous and some folk thought african Americans were gonna just let it slide.

It went from Caribbeans contributing. To Carribeans (including Puerto Ricans, etc) being the creator of Hip Hop and black folk copied those folks.

Listen to Busta and others remove ADOS/FBA out of the started of this art form.

Are far as Jamaican music goes. Who's more knowledgeable on that subject. You or someone that was involved in the creation of it?

 

[WattDogs]

Nobody wants to remove anybody,which is the source of the pushback. Its being mischaracterized as an attack because of implicit bias.

What raises my suspicion of people who talk like this is the timing.

Hip hop through the 80s and 2000s always acknowledged carribbean contributions. This was done via collaborations and cameos. From Pac linking with Patra in her “romantic call” video to Sean Paul and beyonce.

Reggae and ska always acknowledged black American contributions via covers and samples. Bob Marley was the most notable but Peter Tosh did as well. Nobody said “we started reggae and/or ska” when reggae and ska became a global powerhouse. It is uniquely jamaican irregardless of outside influences.

Rap over the last 10-20 years has fashioned the mainstream American culture and the rise of social medias cut out the middle men (execs). Hip hop culture went global to the point that the American dance federation is trying to insert “modern dance” into early hip hop history. Now these guys want to claim a larger piece of the pie when their presence was never denied in the first place.

All the pushback fat joe, are getting is just that,pushback with facts.


How long have these guys thought these things but never said it aloud,especially coming from a guy who named himself after an American footballer?

This all seems disingenuous and some folk thought african Americans were gonna just let it slide.

A lot of people don't realize that major changes are coming, not just to us, but to the entire world.

Most of this shit is seeing the weakness of black culture, the kindness of black Americans & fitting themselves into place for this new world order.

Cause don't nobody want to be the ******* of the new world.

I'm not a FBA guy, but we as Black Americans do need to have a foundation. Because these attacks will keep coming, more & more.

Pretty soon, the only history we are going to have is that we volunteered to cross the most dangerous passage to help the Founding Fathers create a new type of democracy, once dedicated to freedom & rights for all.

All our inventions...GONE.

All of our culture...GONE.

All of our legacies...GONE.

Pay attention. It is a reason that this is happening. It is a reason why all these races/cultures/tribes that aligned with us for decades are blantantly lying & stealing what is rightfully ours. It's a reason why they are uniting against us while at the same time, keeping friendly with us.

I just hope you begin to see it.

 

[BKF]

A lot of people don't realize that major changes are coming, not just to us, but to the entire world.

Most of this shit is seeing the weakness of black culture, the kindness of black Americans & fitting themselves into place for this new world order.

Cause don't nobody want to be the ******* of the new world.

I'm not a FBA guy, but we as Black Americans do need to have a foundation. Because these attacks will keep coming, more & more.

Pretty soon, the only history we are going to have is that we volunteered to cross the most dangerous passage to help the Founding Fathers create a new type of democracy, once dedicated to freedom & rights for all.

All our inventions...GONE.

All of our culture...GONE.

All of our legacies...GONE.

Pay attention. It is a reason that this is happening. It is a reason why all these races/cultures/tribes that aligned with us for decades are blantantly lying & stealing what is rightfully ours. It's a reason why they are uniting against us while at the same time, keeping friendly with us.

I just hope you begin to see it.

It's all about the numbers. When their numbers was low it was all good. When their numbers increased. Many of them showed their true colors and started flexing.

 

[34real]

 

[TENT]

Boss Playa.
You know nothing of the sorts...
Anyways.
I aint from YO. Kid.

What did yonkers contribute? Being that you not from the 5 boroughs and nobody recognized yonkers until the 90s

 

[keone]

When it turns into gold everybody will want a piece

 

[knightmelodic]

He was the first MC from when Herc got started. So when you saw him it may have been a later time.

Yet once again Herc did not bring toasting from Jamaica to America.
Jive talking by American DJs (radio/club/streets) was already here and being done before toasting was done in Jamaica.

The original toasters in Jamaica learned from American DJs on the radio in Miami and New Orleans.

I'm not going to argue the technical trail with you. Minutiae is just that. The fact is that rappers, for whatever reason, started doing their thing based on the toasters. If you listen to any of the first rappers they'll tell you that. I doubt they're just making it up.
And since I was there, I remember it too.

 

[Gods_Debris]

Nobody wants to remove anybody,which is the source of the pushback. Its being mischaracterized as an attack because of implicit bias.

What raises my suspicion of people who talk like this is the timing.

Hip hop through the 80s and 2000s always acknowledged carribbean contributions. This was done via collaborations and cameos. From Pac linking with Patra in her “romantic call” video to Sean Paul and beyonce.

Reggae and ska always acknowledged black American contributions via covers and samples. Bob Marley was the most notable but Peter Tosh did as well. Nobody said “we started reggae and/or ska” when reggae and ska became a global powerhouse. It is uniquely jamaican irregardless of outside influences.

Rap over the last 10-20 years has fashioned the mainstream American culture and the rise of social medias cut out the middle men (execs). Hip hop culture went global to the point that the American dance federation is trying to insert “modern dance” into early hip hop history. Now these guys want to claim a larger piece of the pie when their presence was never denied in the first place.

All the pushback fat joe, are getting is just that,pushback with facts.


How long have these guys thought these things but never said it aloud,especially coming from a guy who named himself after an American footballer?

This all seems disingenuous and some folk thought african Americans were gonna just let it slide.

aight nigga, I'm done with this nigga mayne.

 

[Gods_Debris]

This nappy headed ho said he had more in common with Latinos. Those black immigrants will have more of a connection with Latinos than black Americans and Latinos despise black immigrants. He said Jamaican culture influences American culture and Americans have no culture. This slimy piece of shit was not talking like this back in the day. They use and exploit black American culture and then diss Black Americans when they're on their feet.

I mean he literally did. Goddamn.

Aye, when a nigga tell you who he is, take him at his word.

 

[Bad Andy]

A lot of people don't realize that major changes are coming, not just to us, but to the entire world.

Most of this shit is seeing the weakness of black culture, the kindness of black Americans & fitting themselves into place for this new world order.

Cause don't nobody want to be the ******* of the new world.

I'm not a FBA guy, but we as Black Americans do need to have a foundation. Because these attacks will keep coming, more & more.

Pretty soon, the only history we are going to have is that we volunteered to cross the most dangerous passage to help the Founding Fathers create a new type of democracy, once dedicated to freedom & rights for all.

All our inventions...GONE.

All of our culture...GONE.

All of our legacies...GONE.

Pay attention. It is a reason that this is happening. It is a reason why all these races/cultures/tribes that aligned with us for decades are blantantly lying & stealing what is rightfully ours. It's a reason why they are uniting against us while at the same time, keeping friendly with us.

I just hope you begin to see it.

Second best reasonable post in this thread. At the same time we have to be conscious and not be quick to play out artists like Kwame and those fuckin Polka Dots. We are the only genre that doesn't take the kids to see Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Doug E. Fresh in concert. Black Kids do not Break Dance anymore but you'll find a bunch of Asian Breakers "Jabba Wockies". How many black owned creative spaces exist where black kids could become Graffiti Artists in this day of NFT's?

Listen to the interview around 1:18:00 and go forward and listen to what Fat Joe and the guy interviewing him are saying.





@An RnB Thug
@Last Dayz

Now in this post Joe is drinking too much. Hip Hop is Black American music period. In OP's initial post Joe uses the proper wording by saying contributed. Joe has managed to stay relevant so now his word is bond to all of yall that ain't never step foot in NYC. Dig a little deeper the founding fathers have interviews all over Youtube,


KRS gives a good example of his intro to hip hop here. Again he is honest about how old he was and what he saw.


GMF gives a great example of how the history should be told already time stamped.

 

[BKF]

I'm not going to argue the technical trail with you. Minutiae is just that. The fact is that rappers, for whatever reason, started doing their thing based on the toasters. If you listen to any of the first rappers they'll tell you that. I doubt they're just making it up.
And since I was there, I remember it too.

You can't argue because you don't have any facts.

Here's the first known actual rapper. Tell me when you hear him say he was influenced by Jamaican toasting.





Here's the guy (Coke La Rock) who is recognized as being the first "Hip Hop" MC.

Let me know where he says he was influenced by Jamaicans toasting.


"Troy- So lets talk about that you being the very first emcee of hip hop, who inspired you at all being that their was no one in front of you to give you a platform! Because maybe I am mistaken but was any one doing it before you that I don’t know about?


Coke La Rock- Of course not I was the first, no one was doing it in the fashion that we were doing it. But I did listen to the Last Poets.


Troy- Well that was what I meant were you inspired by say Rudy Ray Moore, Pigmeat Mark Ham, The signified monkey or those Last Poets?


Coke La Rock- Well I use to hear stuff like Signified Monkey and the other stuff you mentioned but we were not really allowed to listen to that stuff because that was what your parents played I would have to be in another room.

That was like the nasty records, The Wild Man Steve and them type things. But what really got me with the rap thing was the Richard Pryor records. We use to say this little thing for my man Timmy Tim. Timmy Tim use to do this thing with the monkey routine Richard Pryor had in his show called, “little tiny feet.”

 

[mya38d]

I was not alive during the birth of hip hop, I came up during the RUN-DMC and Fat Boy era. Hip Hop and Rap are commonly used synonymously but Rap is the music of Hip Hop and Hip Hop is the culture. Hip Hop is composed of 4 things: DJ, Emcee, B-Boy, and Graffiti Artist. I don't know how much Latinos, actually I should be more specific, Puerto Ricans contributed to Rap during the early days, but they were damn sure some of the illest B-Boys; think Crazy Legs from the Rock Steady Crew and many of them were ill Graffiti Artist too. Puerto Ricans can definitely take credit for contributing to the culture during the early days. I cannot speak to Dominicans through.

Rap started in the 40's in the African American Community - The Dee Jay Element of Rap came in the Late 60's early 70's from Africa-Jamaican immigrants....The Break-Crews were born out of the 5th element of Rap which was the "Knowledge"... Later on the Break Crews were made more popular when the Black gangs in New York started to embrace Black Consciousness and wanted to have a art form that would promote peace and unity so they formed break crews instead of gangs and embraced the hip hop culture.. The Griff-Art came in the mid 70's from the inspiration from Soul train created by a black businessman .
So please don's speak on issues like Hip Hop...if you were not there...and i was there when it started....The Flavour of Hip Hop was between the Black Hoods of The Bronx, Queens and Harlem....Harlem being more Core African Americana and the Bronx-Queens being more core Afro-Caribbean...