Why are Latinos and others groups trying to say they created Hip-Hop when it was really Black people?

[Gods_Debris]

I'm waiting for one if these "real new yorkers" to air this nigga out, here. His story is compelling.


How does being from new york make someone an authority on the subject matter, by the way? Are ya'll all experts on stock brokerage too, by the same logic?

Whats even funnier is that this is not true either.
Utilizing this same logic ,jamaicans would owe african americans for the foundations of reggae and ska

They Left an Impression: The Impact of Curtis Mayfield on the Music of Jamaica - Rootfire

Guest Post by Jim the Boss When The Impressions landed in Jamaica for the first time in 1966, their popularity spread like a wildfire. The band’s presence essentially created an […]

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Of course they would revolt against this idea given ska and reggae’s jamaican personality and development…while pretending not to see the inverse.

These fake fucks want it all, full stop.

 

[sharkbait28]

Non New Yorkers talking about New York shit.. never listen to these clowns..these nigs probably don’t even know what tokens are, probably only been time square after they sold it to Disney land.. same nigs paying $20 for hotdogs and think an Arab making a dollar slice is real pizza.. any nig that don’t know Puerto Ricans were part of the breakdancing movevent and graffiti is a clown

Only been in this thread a sec, but this is it.... I don't have the patience to lecture these retarded niggas any more but reality is reality. Them PR/Jamaican niggas etc were a part of the hip hop story in it's nascence. Same niggas jacking their jaws prolly don't know about Stretch and Bobbito and shit.... real clown show shit. Just stfu and do whatever regional shit comes natural to you, you don't have to have an opnion on hip hop origins my clueless Gs

Get to bookmarking Daily Wire tweets or some shit lol

 

[Gods_Debris]

Only been in this thread a sec, but this is it.... I don't have the patience to lecture these retarded niggas any more but reality is reality. Them PR/Jamaican niggas etc were a part of the hip hop story in it's nascence. Same niggas jacking their jaws prolly don't know about Stretch and Bobbito and shit.... real clown show shit. Just stfu and do whatever regional shit comes natural to you, you don't have to have an opnion on hip hop origins my clueless Gs

Get to bookmarking Daily Wire tweets or some shit lol

Can't even front in regionally saying, fuck that, show receipts. Every motherfucker in New York is an expert but I aint seen a nigga refute your boy Boobie from Bronxdale

 

[sharkbait28]

Can't even front in regionally saying, fuck that, show receipts. Every motherfucker in New York is an expert but I aint seen a nigga refute your boy Boobie from Bronxdale

Ok.




Lot's of Latinos are racist af, you'll never hear me dispute that fam. But are all Latinos racist? Nah. Some of those mf'ers where there at the start of this thing, contributed to it and know where they came from.

My pops was here for all this shit and no amount of revisionist history will erase what NYC was all about in those early days of Hip Hop my guy.

To @Soul On Ice point tho, despite the unnecessary hate, this is a Black American Art Form.... and undeniably so.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Only been in this thread a sec, but this is it.... I don't have the patience to lecture these retarded niggas any more but reality is reality. Them PR/Jamaican niggas etc were a part of the hip hop story in it's nascence. Same niggas jacking their jaws prolly don't know about Stretch and Bobbito and shit.... real clown show shit. Just stfu and do whatever regional shit comes natural to you, you don't have to have an opnion on hip hop origins my clueless Gs

Get to bookmarking Daily Wire tweets or some shit lol

I grew up with Bobby Garcia bruh aka bobito..

He was that one real lightskin puerto rican amongst

the bruhs.. cool muthafucka.. but he was the exception

not the rule!!

 

[sharkbait28]

I grew up with Bobby Garcia bruh aka bobito..

He was that one real lightskin puerto rican amongst

the bruhs.. cool muthafucka.. but he was the exception

not the rule!!

I don't know about that bruh, seems like revisionist history tbh. I understand why folks feel like this these days with all these weak PR/DR niggas out here etc... but it doesn't seem reflective of reality as it was back then tbh.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

I don't know about that bruh, seems like revisionist history tbh. I understand why folks feel like this these days with all these weak PR/DR niggas out here etc... but it doesn't seem reflective of reality as it was back then tbh.

if you are saying this subject seems like revisionist history by

implying latinos played a HUGE role in the orgins of hip hop

I think we agree.

 

[November 17]

[/QUOTE]

Interesting comments regarding criticism.

"I was getting a lot of pushback, there was a lot of prejudice in the sense that the blacks were telling me, you know what man go back to your cowbells and your music, you don't belong here."
"And then the hispanics were telling me, what the hell are you doing man, what are you doing playing that JUNGLE BUNNY MUSIC."

@3:05

 

[slewdem100]

Whats even funnier is that this is not true either.
Utilizing this same logic ,jamaicans would owe african americans for the foundations of reggae and ska

They Left an Impression: The Impact of Curtis Mayfield on the Music of Jamaica - Rootfire

Guest Post by Jim the Boss When The Impressions landed in Jamaica for the first time in 1966, their popularity spread like a wildfire. The band’s presence essentially created an […]

rootfire.net

Of course they would revolt against this idea given ska and reggae’s jamaican personality and development…while pretending not to see the inverse.

All Jamaicans dont think this Boss...some do but not all...we (along with other Caribbeans such as the great Grandmaster Flash) influenced the creation of hip hop and shouldnt be erased from it like some are trying to do but the core of hip hop is Black American...hip hop is a Black American music art form no question...and yes, Jamaican music was influenced by American R&B along with other influences such as Cuba

If Fat Joe is saying there were latinos at the beginning while respecting that it is Black American music, there is nothing wrong with that. If he is saying something different, thats a problem.

Pretty soon, I suspect there will be an attempt to either remove or dilute New York's influence in the birth of hip hop because that better fits the narrative of some that want to remove certain groups from early hip hop history

 

[November 17]

If Fat Joe is saying there were latinos at the beginning while respecting that it is Black American music, there is nothing wrong with that. If he is saying something different, thats a problem.

Joseph Antonio Cartagena, better known by his stage name Fat Joe, is an American rapper from New York City. Wikipedia
Born: August 19, 1970 (age 52 years), South Bronx, New York, NY

I appreciate that you mentioned respecting that it's black american music. The problem with Fat Joe, Pete Rock, Busta Rhymes is that they were all born in the 1970's. Their opinion is based on anecdotal information or something that they might have read about, but never actually lived. There are several videos on YouTube that feature interviews of men that were living in New York City in 1970 (Most of the men being interviewed were born between 1954 - 1963). Therefore, I feel more comfortable deferring to my elders (who were born in the mid 1950's and actually lived it) as a source of information regarding hip-hop/rap.

 

[Soul On Ice]

New York lost any authority when Snoop and the Dogg Pound knocked over them buildings
#isaidwhatIsaid

 

[November 17]

Start at 1:17:00, and Kool DJ Herc explains how he adapted to "Black American" culture.

 

[Last Dayz]

All Jamaicans dont think this Boss...some do but not all...we (along with other Caribbeans such as the great Grandmaster Flash) influenced the creation of hip hop and shouldnt be erased from it like some are trying to do but the core of hip hop is Black American...hip hop is a Black American music art form no question...and yes, Jamaican music was influenced by American R&B along with other influences such as Cuba

If Fat Joe is saying there were latinos at the beginning while respecting that it is Black American music, there is nothing wrong with that. If he is saying something different, thats a problem.

Pretty soon, I suspect there will be an attempt to either remove or dilute New York's influence in the birth of hip hop because that better fits the narrative of some that want to remove certain groups from early hip hop history

Oh he's saying and been saying something different for years.

Check the 1:20:55 mark...

 

[tallblacknyc]

I would appreciate all you NON-New Yorkers. That know ZERO about the birth and development of Hip-Hop to please STFU
Ya'll sound extremely stupid in here. OP created a FALSE narrative cause NO WHERE did they say they CREATED Hip-Hop.
Fat Joe merely said they HELPED & CONTRIBUTED. That's all.
I can't co-sign a blatant LIE just cause I'm Black, I have integrity.
Then some of ya'll get mad cause you want them to shut up about it?? WTF??
I see cac-ness has seep into a lot of ya'll pores cause that's exactly what a cac would say about us

Lastly, I think ya'll confusing Latinos from South America & Mexico with Puerto Ricans/Dominicans (Totally Different)
Hispanics (especially P.R's) were SIDE BY SIDE with Black people in the Hip-Hop development.
They lived with us and most ARE BLACK themselves or have a large percentage of Black in them. (some acknowledge it, some don't)
Any block party that was given THEY WERE THERE TOO in equal numbers. Listening to rap, rappin, dancing and shit...selling food

Please stop this BS cause most you have no idea what fuck you're talking about

Some Hip-Hop pics from Late 70's

Understand half these nigs never heard of the young lords and have no idea these dudes were latins that were fighting for Latino rights and were even side by side with some of the black civil rights activists.. they have no idea how deep the connection is with some Hispanics with blacks for the past several decades.. not all latins were anti black and were interacting with us

 

[November 17]

Oh he's saying and been saying something different for years.

Check the 1:20:55 mark...

I feel like I lose brain cells each time I hear Fat Joe speak. Joseph Antonio Cartagena was born on August 19, 1970 and was probably still in his crib when hip-hop/rap was starting out. Carlos Mandes, also known as DJ Charlie Chase (who was probably one of the few Puerto Ricans that DJ in that era)
stated in an interview:


"I was getting a lot of pushback, there was a lot of prejudice in the sense that the blacks were telling me, you know what man go back to your cowbells and your music, you don't belong here."
"And then the hispanics were telling me, what the hell are you doing man, what are you doing playing that JUNGLE BUNNY MUSIC."

In his interview, he stated that he started in 1975, and mentioned how he learned how to DJ from those who came before him (I posted the interview earlier). If you listen to his interview also explained how many of his hispanic friends felt about hip-hop/rap music back in 1975 ( I highlighted the statement ). Furthermore, if you look at some other videos about the origins of hip-hop/rap music on Youtube, you will see that with the exception of DJ Charlie Chase, there appears to be no other hispanic individuals being interviewed or mentioned. From what I can see the majority of the people being interview are black.

As I stated in a previous post, many of these gentlemen are trying to explain to you that the origins of hip-hop/rap music started in 1971, and based on the amount of interviews that I have watched recently they seem to corroborate that argument. There are several videos on YouTube that feature interviews of men that were living in New York City in 1970 (Most of the men being interviewed were born between 1954 - 1963). Therefore, I feel more comfortable deferring to my elders (who were born in the mid 1950's and actually lived it) as a source of information regarding hip-hop/rap.

 

[Megatron X]

I feel like I lose brain cells each time I hear Fat Joe speak. Joseph Antonio Cartagena was born on August 19, 1970 and was probably still in his crib when hip-hop/rap was starting out. Carlos Mandes, also known as DJ Charlie Chase (who was probably one of the few Puerto Ricans that DJ in that era)
stated in an interview:


"I was getting a lot of pushback, there was a lot of prejudice in the sense that the blacks were telling me, you know what man go back to your cowbells and your music, you don't belong here."
"And then the hispanics were telling me, what the hell are you doing man, what are you doing playing that JUNGLE BUNNY MUSIC."

In his interview, he stated that he started in 1975, and mentioned how he learned how to DJ from those who came before him (I posted the interview earlier). If you listen to his interview also explained how many of his hispanic friends felt about hip-hop/rap music back in 1975 ( I highlighted the statement ). Furthermore, if you look at some other videos about the origins of hip-hop/rap music on Youtube, you will see that with the exception of DJ Charlie Chase, there appears to be no other hispanic individuals being interviewed or mentioned. From what I can see the majority of the people being interview are black.

As I stated in a previous post, many of these gentlemen are trying to explain to you that the origins of hip-hop/rap music started in 1971, and based on the amount of interviews that I have watched recently they seem to corroborate that argument. There are several videos on YouTube that feature interviews of men that were living in New York City in 1970 (Most of the men being interviewed were born between 1954 - 1963). Therefore, I feel more comfortable deferring to my elders (who were born in the mid 1950's and actually lived it) as a source of information regarding hip-hop/rap.

Latinos saying jungle bunny? I thought blacks and Latinos in nyc were United? This is what I’m talking about. These niggaz are so desperate to be accepted by Latinos they’ll give racist Latinos who called them jungle bunnies credit in helping create hip hip. Black Americans were already rapping in the 1930s. They’re so desperate to be accepted by others that they’ll lie for them.

 

[Megatron X]

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

 

[tallblacknyc]

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

 

[tallblacknyc]

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

 

[tallblacknyc]

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

Bruh fuckin brazil still has a NAZI population bruh, they got towns,

all nazi's some STILL have thier ORIGINAL nazi fuck wear...

anywhere you see a large cac pink toe jeebus statue..

Its letting you know NAZI/KKK influence is heavy in that country...

the more pale face the jeebus is, the more the cracker nazi kkk influence is

in that country

where they want to steal land and resources from the Aboriginals

so you KNOW they have cac jeebus statues all in argentina an u.s.a

where a lot of nazi's fled too..

sheeet we wouldnt have nasa if it werent for those fleeing nazis.

in fact... the fact folks think hitler lost the war..

is pure mind fuckery... there was no war to be lost..

only populations to be controlled through wars..

In fact thats how Argentina committed genocide

on it ORIGINAL inhabitants the so called black

people, they sent the men off to a fake war to be killed off..

and they murdered, raped the women and children damn near

to oblivion.. fuckin nazi's

good thing they are dying out, and their cloning experiments aint

worth a damn shit failed so bad, now they going full retard with the

human cyborg shit, and that is/was the start of their demise....

 

[marcvoi]

b

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

despite racism in latino culture we cant erase their contributions or the ones who lived side by side with blacks and carreibean blacks in bronx and nyc city. folks dont knows their contribution in first generation 1970's hip hop. hip hop was not just rapping. its graffiti,breakdancing b-boy, breakdancers,graffiti etc. and those artform was dying out they still kept the bboy like graffiti,tagging going but i think its more an out of state issue of lack of hip hop history. here are some name of latins below

Everybody created hip-hop except Black Americans. Hip hop was created by white corporate executives and wasn’t meant for Black folks to participate. Just like Jazz and Blues music Black people didn’t create ANY of that.

folks dont read and watch or listen to early hip hop in the 70's. there were latinos in the mix just being fair . i think folks wait for tariq or others to fuwl conteoversey but folks dont research. most folks dont know hip hop is not just rapping.

to be fair,usually the younger generation outside of new york that dont know hip hop history in the 70's./early 80. black americans,jamaicans,purerto ricans were early in the graffiti,breakdancing,dj, game. grandmaster caz had charlie chase a puerto rican dj in his cold crush brothers group, salsa step is a routine used in breakdancing, zulu nation had breakdancers including latinos. im not saying they created it but they were right there as hip hop was forming in real time. prince whipper whip was a puerto rican rapper in early 70's down with grandmaster caz. breakdancers like the rocksteady crew were latinos, kool herc is jamiacan descent.bronx ny and nyc is a melting pot of of people and culture. the sound effects and dj culture two turntables playin outside with loud speakers was early in hip hop that used to be done in the islands jamaica thats why kool herc used to do in the bronx. i think these conversations will always spiral to ethnic and race baiting that gets us nowhere.folks who have youtube channel benefit from race baiting. every generation erase a second generation prior to....its like the nba, every generation cling to their own or the previous generation and disregard the others. kobe ,lebron, jordan but folks neglect oscar robinson,kareem abdul jabarr, george gervin, russell, chamberlin etc....


on youtube they had an interview with 50-60 year olds neighborhood black folks spoke of unsung hip hip heads in 1970's and one of them was dj mario a darkskin cuban playing against other dj in community centers,schools when thats only places dj could shine .

 

[woodchuck]

 

[Bad Andy]

Puerto Ricans were calling black people Jungle Bunnies? These are the same people you NYC niggaz say you got unity with??? The same people you always claiming as black?

The more popular term I used to hear was Cocolos. Again we are 5 pages in and no one has dropped that word. You wouldn’t know it unless you lived in NYC at the time. You also wouldn’t understand New York cats back in the day talked shit all day. We used to call PR’s all sorts of names including Spics, Platanos, Greasers and my personal favorite Puta Maricons.

If you were PR living in the hood you had to hold your own to get your respect. No one said PR’s was black, you really reaching. Cats from the 60’s and 70’s weren’t politically correct. Blacks, whites or PR’s all said some outta pocket shit to each other and kept it moving. Cancel culture wasn’t in effect then. Y’all too soft nowadays.

 

[Walter Panov]

No mf born and raised in ALABAMA should be making a documentary about hip hop.

 

[dasmybikepunk]

Everybody wants to be black, they just don't want to say it or actually be black.

 

[Megatron X]

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despite racism in latino culture we cant erase their contributions or the ones who lived side by side with blacks and carreibean blacks in bronx and nyc city. folks dont knows their contribution in first generation 1970's hip hop. hip hop was not just rapping. its graffiti,breakdancing b-boy, breakdancers,graffiti etc. and those artform was dying out they still kept the bboy like graffiti,tagging going but i think its more an out of state issue of lack of hip hop history. here are some name of latins below



folks dont read and watch or listen to early hip hop in the 70's. there were latinos in the mix just being fair . i think folks wait for tariq or others to fuwl conteoversey but folks dont research. most folks dont know hip hop is not just rapping.


to be fair,usually the younger generation outside of new york that dont know hip hop history in the 70's./early 80. black americans,jamaicans,purerto ricans were early in the graffiti,breakdancing,dj, game. grandmaster caz had charlie chase a puerto rican dj in his cold crush brothers group, salsa step is a routine used in breakdancing, zulu nation had breakdancers including latinos. im not saying they created it but they were right there as hip hop was forming in real time. prince whipper whip was a puerto rican rapper in early 70's down with grandmaster caz. breakdancers like the rocksteady crew were latinos, kool herc is jamiacan descent.bronx ny and nyc is a melting pot of of people and culture. the sound effects and dj culture two turntables playin outside with loud speakers was early in hip hop that used to be done in the islands jamaica thats why kool herc used to do in the bronx. i think these conversations will always spiral to ethnic and race baiting that gets us nowhere.folks who have youtube channel benefit from race baiting. every generation erase a second generation prior to....its like the nba, every generation cling to their own or the previous generation and disregard the others. kobe ,lebron, jordan but folks neglect oscar robinson,kareem abdul jabarr, george gervin, russell, chamberlin etc....


on youtube they had an interview with 50-60 year olds neighborhood black folks spoke of unsung hip hip heads in 1970's and one of them was dj mario a darkskin cuban playing against other dj in community centers,schools when thats only places dj could shine .

same ol tired response. Despite their racism we were still one in the Bronx and they helped make hip hop. Blah, blah, blah.

This kind of reminds me of black people marching for civil rights and whites calling them n word and apes but blacks still saying they were brothers.

Y’all got that Stockholm syndrome. you in love with people who show through actions that they hate and exploit you.

 

[slewdem100]

Oh he's saying and been saying something different for years.

Check the 1:20:55 mark...

Yeah he wrong for that...music is music and anybody can do it but its Black American music at its core

 

[tallblacknyc]

The more popular term I used to hear was Cocolos. Again we are 5 pages in and no one has dropped that word. You wouldn’t know it unless you lived in NYC at the time. You also wouldn’t understand New York cats back in the day talked shit all day. We used to call PR’s all sorts of names including Spics, Platanos, Greasers and my personal favorite Puta Maricons.

If you were PR living in the hood you had to hold your own to get your respect. No one said PR’s was black, you really reaching. Cats from the 60’s and 70’s weren’t politically correct. Blacks, whites or PR’s all said some outta pocket shit to each other and kept it moving. Cancel culture wasn’t in effect then. Y’all too soft nowadays.

You forgot another popular term on pr especially 90s “germans”.. I still laugh at some people that call puerto Ricans “Germans”

 

[Soul On Ice]

WHERE'S THE RECEIPTS!?

 

[tallblacknyc]

WHERE'S THE RECEIPTS!?

Dudes been showing mad pics and vids of literally mad latins in the mix in the 70 and 80s of hip hop.. from the dj , to the breakers, to the graffiti artist and you keep purposely not trying to view them.. so you don’t want to learn..you want to push your opinion even if it’s false.. so what’s the point of teaching when the student dosent want to comprehend it and learn it

 

[woodchuck]

Watching all of these "FBA" Twitter threads on different subjects, it's beginning to look like a meeting for "Insecure Anonymous". Everything they rant about turns into is a whine session about a group not liking FBA people. Someone on Twitter called them "Branch Nasheedians".

 

[Soul On Ice]

Dudes been showing mad pics and vids of literally mad latins in the mix in the 70 and 80s of hip hop.. from the dj , to the breakers, to the graffiti artist and you keep purposely not trying to view them.. so you don’t want to learn..you want to push your opinion even if it’s false.. so what’s the point of teaching when the student dosent want to comprehend it and learn it

Ain't seen no one post not one thing to prove me wrong.

There's 2 arguments going on here
I'm saying Black people invented it
Yall saying Latino people contributed

 

[tallblacknyc]

Ain't seen no one post not one thing to prove me wrong.

There's 2 arguments going on here
I'm saying Black people invented it
Yall saying Latino people contributed

Yeah we all said they contributed..no one here said hip hop was invented by latins.. that’s the obvious.. some people on here don’t even think latins contributed or were in the mix

 

[Dr. Truth]

If you ain’t from the NYC metro area you really need to shut the fuck up