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Will Biden Allow Another Dem To Challenge Trump? He has the lowest approval rating of the CENTURY for the start of a re-election year!

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Camille said:
Who do you want to replace Biden?
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I know I'm not going to get who I want. I'd run Bernie or AOC if it was about my personal preference. But that's not what this is. I think Biden is one of the worst people possible to take on Trump.

I think Minnesota Governor Tim Walz would be a great choice. Moderate profile but significant progressive accomplishments that have made lives better. I'd be worried about the "Kamala pushed aside" narrative, though. Pissing off black women who watch MSNBC is one off the dumbest things the Dems could do. Ultimately, if I had the power to decide, I would invest in a team of psychiatrists to help her with this laughing issue and I would run Kamala Harris.

If Biden had stepped aside and allowed a primary, I think there are other minority candidates who could have earned the nomination. I can't think of anyone else who is ready to be anointed as the nominee, though. I think it has to be Kamala.
 
Camille

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Costanza said:
I know I'm not going to get who I want. I'd run Bernie or AOC if it was about my personal preference. But that's not what this is. I think Biden is one of the worst people possible to take on Trump.

I think Minnesota Governor Tim Walz would be a great choice. Moderate profile but significant progressive accomplishments that have made lives better. I'd be worried about the "Kamala pushed aside" narrative, though. Pissing off black women who watch MSNBC is one off the dumbest things the Dems could do. Ultimately, if I had the power to decide, I would invest in a team of psychiatrists to help her with this laughing issue and I would run Kamala Harris.
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Bernie wouldn't win. We already know the GOP held back oppo research on him and would scare folk with the word socialist. I would have voted for him, but I think he would have lost against Trump. There are a lot of people pissed at Bernie and his bros who may sit out also. I like AOC but she doesn't have enough experience, and she is also one of the people used as a boogeyman on the right. She has name recognition, but much of it on the right and even with some independents is negative. I'm not familiar with Tim Walz, chances are this will be the case for most. Putting a nobody on the stage probably wouldn't work, people usually go for name recognition. If you want him to be a contender in the future, then now is the time to vet him and get him into the national conversation.
 
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Supersav said:
Gerald Horne
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A 75 year old black historian who isn't a politician? I keep forgetting you're just here to shit stir.
He may be a fine man, I know little about him, but I think we can safely say his chances of being elected, even if he agreed to run, would be low. Most people haven't heard of him and anything he has said critical of white society in the age of anti-crt, anti-dei, anti-Black history would be used to target him and scare white folks.
 
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Camille said:
Bernie wouldn't win. We already know the GOP held back oppo research on him and would scare folk with the word socialist. I would have voted for him, but I think he would have lost against Trump. There are a lot of people pissed at Bernie and his bros who may sit out also. I like AOC but she doesn't have enough experience, and she is also one of the people used as a boogeyman on the right. She has name recognition, but much of it on the right and even with some independents is negative. I'm not familiar with Tim Walz, chances are this will be the case for most. Putting a nobody on the stage probably wouldn't work, people usually go for name recognition. If you want him to be a contender in the future, then now is the time to vet him and get him into the national conversation.
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The 2016 talking point that the GOP held back opposition research on Sanders was disproven when he ran again against 20 people and none of their campaigns revealed anything. If he had significant liabilities, they would have been exposed. You think only the Republicans have researchers?

At this point, AOC has twice as much federal experience as Obama did when he ran for president and she has a hell of a lot more political experience than Trump did. Your arguments are nowhere near disqualifying. I can't sit here and prove she would win but it is far from absurd.

Re: Tim Walz, if he is the Democratic nominee for president he'll get name recognition. And Trump is not a strong candidate. Running a young spry 60 year old governor is going to make Trump's Haley/Pelosi type fuckups more concerning in the future.

But, regardless, like I said, I think Kamala is the only real alternative.
 
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Supersav

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Camille said:
A 75 year old black historian who isn't a politician? I keep forgetting you're just here to shit stir.
He may be a fine man, I know little about him, but I think we can safely say his chances of being elected, even if he agreed to run, would be low. Most people haven't heard of him and anything he has said critical of white society in the age of anti-crt, anti-dei, anti-Black history would be used to target him and scare white folks.
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You asked a question and I answered it..there is no shit to stir. America is shit and so are the viable options for president
 
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Costanza said:
The 2016 talking point that the GOP held back opposition research on Sanders was disproven when he ran again against 20 people and none of their campaigns revealed anything. If he had significant liabilities, they would have been exposed. You think only the Republicans have researchers?

At this point, AOC has twice as much federal experience as Obama did when he ran for president and she has a hell of a lot more political experience than Trump did. Your arguments are nowhere near disqualifying. I can't sit here and prove she would win but it is far from absurd.

Re: Tim Walz, if he is the Democratic nominee for president he'll get name recognition. And Trump is not a strong candidate. Running a young spry 60 year old governor is going to make Trump's Haley/Pelosi type fuckups more concerning in the future.

But, regardless, like I said, I think Kamala is the only real alternative.
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Tim Waltz this late in the game nah. It's either Harris, Newsome or Obama. Harris because she's vp, Newsome because he looks the part, Obama because name recognition.
 
Supersav

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Camille said:
Yet you never post why Trump would make a bad president, only Biden.
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Camille said:
Yet you never post why Trump would make a bad president, only Biden.
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How many times will this talking point be used on here? There is no good American president. Me posting about why trump is bad serves what purpose? Does it make you and others feel better about voting for Biden? Trump was par for the course as far as American presidents go.
 
Camille

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Supersav said:
How many times will this talking point be used on here? There is no good American president. Me posting about why trump is bad serves what purpose? Does it make you and others feel better about voting for Biden? Trump was par for the course as far as American presidents go.
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IMO, it shows your agenda to depress dem turn out. We've hashed this out in the past amongst several different members though who have said they want the system to collapse and see Black folk sitting out oft he voting process the quickest way to that end. I just continue to post and respond to point things like this out for the benefit of lurkers who read but don't post.
 
Supersav

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Camille said:
IMO, it shows your agenda to depress dem turn out. We've hashed this out in the past amongst several different members though who have said they want the system to collapse and see Black folk sitting out oft he voting process the quickest way to that end. I just continue to post and respond to point things like this out for the benefit of lurkers who read but don't post.
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Nah you are ate thinking too deep. I don't wanna suppress Dem turnout at all. If people want to vote and get nothing in return that's on them. The system won't collapse with black folk sitting out.
 
Drayonis

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Camille said:
He's right though. The right would use the homeless situation and smash and grabs against him. The crime narrative was proven false, but people don't know that. Gavins best bet is to significantly turn around the homeless situation over the next few years.
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Was this response ment for me. Posting Stephen Miller, a white supremacist is goof fir substantiating his point? I was responding to his tweet about Biden in his post, never mentioned anything about Gaven
 
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Costanza said:
You're deluding yourself, like you did with the "Obama had 8 years" excuse for the interview information which was clearly labeled as being at this point in each person's presidency.

The election is in 269 days. :hmm:

Biden was not even close to being the nominee at this point in 2020. There's plenty of time.
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It wouldn't have mattered if there had been a viable Democratic candidate two years ago. That's not how the democratic party works. They pick whoever they're going to rally behind and stick to it. Anyone who dares to run against their "liberal elite" candidate gets attacked by the powers that be in the party. Shit, they do that before a popular candidate even thinks of running. It is what it is. This thread is a pointless rant. You could have made it two years ago and the replies would have been the same. Russia, Trump, Russia, Trump, Russia again. And "Biden is the best we have".
 
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Camille said:
Bernie wouldn't win. We already know the GOP held back oppo research on him and would scare folk with the word socialist. I would have voted for him, but I think he would have lost against Trump. There are a lot of people pissed at Bernie and his bros who may sit out also. I like AOC but she doesn't have enough experience, and she is also one of the people used as a boogeyman on the right. She has name recognition, but much of it on the right and even with some independents is negative. I'm not familiar with Tim Walz, chances are this will be the case for most. Putting a nobody on the stage probably wouldn't work, people usually go for name recognition. If you want him to be a contender in the future, then now is the time to vet him and get him into the national conversation.
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^^^^ I told you @Costanza.

Camille, Bernie was ahead of Hillary in a hypothetical head-to-head match against Trump in 2016. But the Democratic party was pushing the same bullshit you're pushing now about him. And obviously, it worked.

AOC doesn't have enough experience to become President. How many years of experience did Trump have when we won? How many years of experience did George W. Bush have when he won?
 
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Walter Panov said:
^^^^ I told you @Costanza.

Camille, Bernie was ahead of Hillary in a hypothetical head-to-head match against Trump in 2016. But the Democratic party was pushing the same bullshit you're pushing now about him. And obviously, it worked.

AOC doesn't have enough experience to become President. How many years of experience did Trump have when we won? How many years of experience did George W. Bush have when he won?
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Republicans will support an empty suit if they think they can gain power using them. Democrats make you pay your dues to gain access to power unless you are a generational talent. Compare Obama to the people you listed. Also look at the competence of the list you offered. Then add Palin, Pense and Quayle and you have an all-star list of idiocy.
 
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Blkops said:
Republicans will support an empty suit if they think they can gain power using them. Democrats make you pay your dues to gain access to power unless you are a generational talent. Compare Obama to the people you listed. Also look at the competence of the list you offered. Then add Palin, Pense and Quayle and you have an all-star list of idiocy.
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Yes, incompetent idiots who still won the election.
 
Drayonis

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Walter Panov said:
^^^^ I told you @Costanza.

Camille, Bernie was ahead of Hillary in a hypothetical head-to-head match against Trump in 2016. But the Democratic party was pushing the same bullshit you're pushing now about him. And obviously, it worked.

AOC doesn't have enough experience to become President. How many years of experience did Trump have when we won? How many years of experience did George W. Bush have when he won?
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Bernie would have lost big time. America wanted a "straight man" white guy again.
 
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Supersav said:


@Camille @Costanza @Dr. Truth @VAiz4hustlaz @xfactor @Soul On Ice @Walter Panov

How y'all feel about this?
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Trump is consistent in being niggardly toward other nations.

The ethnic cleansing in Israel is not a generic foreign aid issue. Trump has been intentionally quiet because he knows Biden is being stupid and alienating his base by supporting Israel and Trump is smart enough, in a tactical sense, to sit back and watch his enemy make things worse for himself.

However, Trump has a record on Israel and he would clearly be even worse than Biden. There's no good choice here but Trump is the worse choice.
 
Drayonis

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Walter Panov said:
No, he wouldn't have.
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Have you heard the old political phrase

"If you're explaining you're losing?"

"It means that people are convinced by emotion, not logic. If you have failed to present your argument with a strong, emotional hook, and are stuck explaining, you are on defense and are likely going to lose."

If you have to repeat over and over again to the population what a "Democratic socialist" is you're already dead in the water and most people (lead by emotion) will just say "he's a socialist who says he wants to raise our taxes".

"Defund the police" was a disaster for Democrats in a lot of smaller races and some national ones. While those "in the know" knew what it meant, the average voter assumed they meant get rid of the police altogether. They had to beg the far left to stop saying it during mid-terms as the average citizen couldn't understand it and decided they didn't want it.

Bernie would have crashed and burned, because being a far left progressive isn't what America overall wants. There are people who are in their camps that are going to vote for their side no matter what, the independents and non-informed usually follow the more powerful leader. No corporate support and every one thinks you'll raise their taxes...yeah...that's a win.
 
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You see this demonstrated in this thread:

"The fact of the matter is if we don't get a conclusion on the criminal charges and the polls stay relatively similar to where they are right now, Donald Trump is going to be president again... Everyone who was trying to warn you, you didn't want to hear it. You were coming up with half-baked arguments to try to act like Biden could do no wrong. It really is the mirror image of the Trump people."

 
Supersav

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Costanza said:
Trump is consistent in being niggardly toward other nations.

The ethnic cleansing in Israel is not a generic foreign aid issue. Trump has been intentionally quiet because he knows Biden is being stupid and alienating his base by supporting Israel and Trump is smart enough, in a tactical sense, to sit back and watch his enemy make things worse for himself.

However, Trump has a record on Israel and he would clearly be even worse than Biden. There's no good choice here but Trump is the worse choice.
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How can you get worse than Biden or even Obama who gave Israel the most money ever...Trump is shit but no wars happened under him
 

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