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Wu-Tang: An American Saga ( discussion)
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@playahaitian and the rest of the NYC folks.
How was it when Staten Island/Wu-Tang hit the scene in y’all’s borough?
It must of felt like a haymaker from Frazier.
How was it when Staten Island/Wu-Tang hit the scene in y’all’s borough?
It must of felt like a haymaker from Frazier.
real talk... they fit right in...
Onyx, Boot Camp, DiTC etc + Jersey (Naughty, Lords of Underground, Redman etc)
NYC /NJ sound and energy was so grimey in 93 - even with jazz samples
even in that Wu -nothing else sounded like it...
sound was sooo dirty, soulful dark - Rza was too unique-
9 MCs hungry attacking the mic- the posse cuts were fight music
Wu was shaking the world - but in NYC they were holding their own among MONSTERS in Qns Bk, Bx and Harlem
later it boiled to almost being Rae vs Biggie -
until Who Shot ya exploded
That’s dope.
there were no shortage of great Rappers during that period. So much hunger and kats were always elevating.
coming from an area that doesn’t produce any type of hip-hop, we just caught on to what was hot, bought albums, then live vicariously through them. Lol
Vulcan perfect
Ain't really much more to it honestly
@4 Dimensional I guess I COULD add this
Most of us had no idea what the f*ck Staten Island was...
Later the same would could be said about Yonkers
What that crew did for THAT borough was so damn special
Much respect later to crews who represented Boston North Carolina Tennessee, The bay etc etc defining a place and sound forever.
Now the sound...
It fit in perfectly with east coast sonics
But no one was RZA
I think maybe only Timerland did that sonically and defined an era and all music moving forward.
RZA will forever be beloved because sonically he didn't just hit our ears
He hit our souls. Those Kung fu references the comic books
No one had ever done it like THAT.
And it was a secret language and secret society we did not know existed but we found out we're always a part of
On some hip hop Harry Potter.
RZA was a gangsta drug dealer nerd scientist kid from NY
You cannot understand how significant that was
And the whole chambers approach
The unity
It was more about it being so original and grimy and organic and UNEXPECTED
On a whole?
There was no beef
Cause it was like manifest destiny
Nothing was gonna stop it.
Just accept it and join in
Wu Tang.
Man, I love NYC culture. I always envied you kats that got to grow up during the height of hip-hip. Many of y’all went school with some of the great rappers. Grew up on the same block like it was some everyday type shit.
There is no way I could have a perspective of what it was like. I just listen to the stories.
I was talking to my homie today and I mention to him the next producer to have that gutter grimey sound like RZA was Havoc.
Hence why 36 Chambers and The Infamous are two top 5 hip-hop albums of all time for me. No group defined hip-hop they Mobb Deep and Wu-Tang did for me.
GZA was the one I related to the most. Especially watch the show and seeing how well he was respected for just being smart. But all them kats I respected differently. I’m not a gangsta and never was. But I hung around kats that was about that life. And the knowledge they would drop and definitely some shit you don’t get out of textbook.
You think they don’t want to use meth records? Keep in mind ODB is dead and im not sure who controls his catalog but ramble he needed money.
Assuming
Meth doesn’t need money or isn’t as pressed ODB. You could easily take some of meths song and turn the into commercials. Also meth never wanted to be a star he said as much and that why he wore the weird eye kept his hair “nappy”.
Perfectly stated
Knowledge wisdom Vulcan understanding
Another documentary would be about being smart and black and male
And how damn rare that was in Hollywood
And the insane cultural significance of Dewayne Wayne on black male intellectuals
Shout out Geordi.
That is a part of the divide in current hip hop culture
We KNEW these gods and legends
For real
I had the honor of meeting Ason, Uncle Ralph, Busta, the fugees, Das efx, Channel live and more
And later in life umcs primo woodchuck...
So we KNEW it was NOT EASY
It was hard to earn
No disrespect to the young ones
But they all know each other too
But sadly also knew it was not difficult in many cases.
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Meth records don't stand the test of time like ODB's does. And they do use some. "Da Rockwilder" with Redman you can find it still getting played somewhere. Meth is a star. Whether he wanted to be or not he is. No denying that.
Aye....let me say this. I'm not underestimating Meth. He's a star. I'm not arguing who got the best catalog. Who's the better rapper. I think you can get a lot of different answers to those questions. Some would say Deck is the best lyricist....some would say Rae or Ghost the best rapper.....some would say Meth.....nobody would say ODB to any of them answers.
But there is one thing that ODB can claim and its his music has stood the test of time better than anyone else's...his commercial mainstream records anyway.
I respect it
I disagree wu tang redefined what a 'commercial " record was PERIOD
Who has one of what is UNIVERSALLY CONSIDERED one of the single greatest verses in hip hop period?
Deck Triumph
That verse is universally know
It's entrenched in pop culture FOREVER.
There is at least 2 generations of kids who think hey you get off my cloud was ORIGINATED by Meth.
I am not and will not disparage ODB greatness
That's is why I HATE these type of debates in music sports etc Hate them. (Let's rank albums, videos, etc)
But don't let a recent commercial rewrite decades of influence
ODB is eternal there is no metric for that.
But in his own right Meth and Ghost (who was kinda in a marvel movie just saying) hold a special place in history in their own right.
Go play chez,chez,la ghost and all I need anywhere anytime in the world
Club, supermarket, wedding, commercial, car and mall and see the reaction.
That's your answer
To a question that shouldn't really ever need to be asked.
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Season 2 was ok.
The Protect Ya Neck and Enter The Wu-Tang episodes would have played out better if they had the actors lip sync over the tracks.
Their actual voices threw the tone and vibe off.
The Protect Ya Neck and Enter The Wu-Tang episodes would have played out better if they had the actors lip sync over the tracks.
Their actual voices threw the tone and vibe off.
Meth was in Luke Cage as himself. Ghosts scene was cut from Iron Man but it was a cool scene.
I keep trying to tell this dudes about Meth
And Favreau apparently still regrets that
He didn't have the pull yet
Man oh man I KNOW Disney Marvel wishes they could go back and add that.
Ehhh you play them records in certain parts of the country....it ain't gonna touch like Got Your Money, Fantasy or Ghetto Superstar will.
Its a good debate to have. The fact that we discussing numerous guys in Wu as being the best is accredited to their greatness.
Deck verse on Triumph is great. Its a certain audience that will appreciate that and I don't think its "pop culture" if I'm being honest. And its not just the LG commercial that go the looking at ODB's career different. Man I been hearing his records for YEARS. Not just Got Your Money....like I said Shimmy Ya can be heard in movies and shit randomly.
that's why this argument is kinda pointless
In my experience?
Those OTHER records ring just as much... It all depends on so many variables
Location age situation etc
what you want to use record sales? spins? streams? royalty fees?
this aint really a debate cause unless you have a solid metric to defend your position?
what is the common denominator?
Wu Tang is Forever
we all knew that already
to start doing that level of dissection is ultimately gonna be disrespectful to the legends we debating
Especially since ODB is died so young in his career after a prison stint and addiction.
ALL those records are equally timeless
but the fact that Meth and Ghost and the rest of the clan can STILL perform those records?
Its gonna never be something you can debate and quantify.
@keone
Hulu's "Wu-Tang: An American Saga" Will Return For A Third & Final Season
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damn wish they had like 3 more seasons@keone
Hulu's "Wu-Tang: An American Saga" Will Return For A Third & Final Season
Hulu's "Wu-Tang: An American Saga" still ain't nuthin ta f**** wit.www.hotnewhiphop.com
@keone
Hulu's "Wu-Tang: An American Saga" Will Return For A Third & Final Season
Hulu's "Wu-Tang: An American Saga" still ain't nuthin ta f**** wit.www.hotnewhiphop.com
I guess they will take it through Wutang Forever and the Summer Jam where Ghostface dissed Hot 97, then they got blackballed... and ODB got locked up. That was definitely where everything changed.
True.
I think it got to the point where he thought he couldn't make jams while sober though.
Man I'm just catching up with Season 2. Episode 6 was a dope visualization of how RZA created tracks and put shit together.
Just finished the show, liked season 2 better than 1 but both are worth the watch.
Wonder if we'll get this gem in the show
Wonder if we'll get this gem in the show