Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

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It wasn’t a big reveal by this point, it would have only made it redundant. Just like Varys said, it’s not even a secret at this point, just information

Granted GOT, does take twist so we can’t really rule out. The only other logical possibility could be Bran.

It still was cause of who learned it
Notice I'm not tripping off them not showing Sansa tell Tyrion
 

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He's been giving signs for a while.. remember when he was talking to Tyrion and he was doing the whole "when the mad king was burning people, you convince yourself that's it's not you doing the burning so it's ok"... no one knew the mad king like Varys and he's literally watching Dany go mad. She's been slowing morphing. I think because people like her character so much that they're missing the subtle changes.... like Tyrion trying to walk her back from burning Sam's brother and father...she had other options but she chose to burn them.


They not missing it they refuse to see
It's crazy

Now the characters are talking about it so it's no longer a theory I'm supposedly throwing out there that you can debate
 

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She isnt betraying her brother how? Or do you mean that Jon is her cousin not her brother?

Consistent in which alliances? People keep pretending that Sansa needs to pledge allegiance herself. No, her king bent the knee, that means her knee is bent too.

As it was, she has no respect for her king either.

Sansa was valuable in the battle of the bastards. What other conflicts am I missing?
Looking someone in their face and telling them your methods, means, and goals are not in alignment with theirs. And then having your actions support that communication is not betrayal. Sansa did that with both Jon and Danys. If your betrayal is limited to her broken promise to Jon then ok, but her stated loyalties supersede that.

Sansa provided contribution to battle of bastards, Nightking war, and last nites conflict.
 

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It still was cause of who learned it
Notice I'm not tripping off them not showing Sansa tell Tyrion

I get it, but again it’s not a big reveal at this point.

And if it were some type of twist behind it. I would think it would be reveal a la Lyssa Tully style instead of acted out on screen
 

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Ppl mad at Jon for leaving his wolf

It's the dumbest stance ever

Ghost was there for Jon against the night king

Jon said boy you did enough
You served me the best you could and I'm thankful
So now you get to retire
You go retire up north in the wilderness and have fun

I don't want you fighting anymore live the rest of your days happy as fuck FAM

Meanwhile Dany is acting like a team doctor
Hey put some tape on those wings

Leeeroooooooy jeeeeeeennnnnnkins


Naaa. You don't ever give your dog away. Maybe his time as a war pooch is over, but you don't give him away. You won't always be at war, go back and get him. But giving your dog away... Naaa man, I can't get with it.
 

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We all know what an arrogant ass Euron is. Earlier in the episode we saw Cersei tell Euron that she was pregnant and that he was the father. Since Cersei and Euron didn’t sleep together until after Jaime left King’s Landing, there’s no reason anyone up north would know about the pregnancy. However, Tyrion’s method of appealing to Cersei centered on how she could still save her unborn child while Euron was standing right behind her.

As Reddit user grantvoyager pointed out, “When Tyrion approaches the gates of King’s Landing to appeal to Cersei’s love for her children, he tells her to surrender for her child. Euron was standing right behind Cersei, and he just found out about ‘his’ child moments before this scene. From Euron’s point of view, Tyrion should have no knowledge that Cersei is pregnant — Tyrion was up in the North when he slept with Cersei for the first time.”


If Euron has his wits about him at all, it’s likely that he’ll figure out that Tyrion’s comments can only mean that he isn’t actually the baby’s father. And if that happens, it seems likely that he’ll turn against Cersei and majorly decrease her chances at coming out on top against Daenerys.
 

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Not at all given the fact that the Greyjoy’s are the baddest on the water, Euron was top pirate for years when he left the islands, and they came out of a bay beside a big ass fuckin mountain smh

That nigga took Yara, another Greyjoy out on the water with ease, granted he has Clybrynes help.


So he has invisible ships?
 

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Looking someone in their face and telling them your methods, means, and goals are not in alignment with theirs. And then having your actions support that communication is not betrayal. Sansa did that with both Jon and Danys. If your betrayal is limited to her broken promise to Jon then ok, but her stated loyalties supersede that.

Sansa provided contribution to battle of bastards, Nightking war, and last nites conflict.

Yes when i say she betrayed Jon i am talking what she swore to.

Betraying Dany is betraying Dany. Jon bent the knee so her knee should be bent too. We can certainly talk about the right or wrong of it, but its still betrayal.

Her "loyalties" are her feelings. Her feelings supersede everything.

She contributed absolutely nothing to the war against the NK. She was absolutely right about people needing to rest.
 

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Did he give him away or tell him take him to safety as he rides off to yet another war and want him to be happy and free?

A bit of both... The whimper was kind of implying. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Be happy and free??? A wolf??? To me, that means you're turning the wolf free, to be a wolf...
 

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A bit of both... The whimper was kind of implying. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. Be happy and free??? A wolf??? To me, that means you're turning the wolf free, to be a wolf...

He's caring for his good boy by making sure he never fights in a meaningless war ever again

This 7 kingdoms shit is meaningless
Jon is just doing it because he promised he would
You see he isn't trying to make the wildlings fight for Dany and the 7 kingdoms.
In order to ensure life he had to make the deal and that deal didn't include getting his wolf killed for no reason
 

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If u watch the scene again , she was flying barely above the ships, blissfully looking like Alladin knowing that she “made it” to Dragonstone, while Missande and Greyworm did their Titanic thing at the front of the ship
she still should have seen the ships
ballista / arrows are line of sight.... she should have seen them long before being within their range
 

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Betraying Dany is betraying Dany. Jon bent the knee so her knee should be bent too. We can certainly talk about the right or wrong of it, but its still betrayal.
Bullshit. There is no betrayal by proximity. She explicitly stated to both, in their face, what her intentions and priorities were.
Her "loyalties" are her feelings. Her feelings supersede everything.
Her loyalties are to the North and her people. If feelings are intermingled in loyalties then that just makes her no different than most human beings.
 

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I agree. No dog owner would just callously walk away from their dog like that! Ever.
He didn't even hug or touch the dog. Just looked at it like he was the 3 eyed raven now.

Dire Wolf is the fucking sigil of House Stark. The Wolves are as important to the Starks as the Dragons are to Dany.

I have no idea why the showrunners chose to play the Wolves this way.

The wolves to me are much cooler than the dragons. They are loyal and brave and saved their lives countless times.

I get the plot convenience of not have another CGI animal but damn. At least say goodbye properly.

Why can't you guys see the hack writing?

Naaa. You don't ever give your dog away. Maybe his time as a war pooch is over, but you don't give him away. You won't always be at war, go back and get him. But giving your dog away... Naaa man, I can't get with it.
 

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I agree. No dog owner would just callously walk away from their dog like that! Ever.
He didn't even hug or touch the dog. Just looked at it like he was the 3 eyed raven now.
Yea... out of all the inane complaining, this is the most legitimate gripe. Sending Ghost away is one thing.. we can justify that (i guess)... But the manner in which he did it was pretty fucking bogus.

They've done a piss poor job on people/direwolf interaction this entire series... Im gonna chalk that up to a CGI issue and them still not being comfortable with showing scale and size of Ghost to human in a realistic enough manner. Lame excuse but its all i got to explain away that garbage.
 

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He's caring for his good boy by making sure he never fights in a meaningless war ever again

This 7 kingdoms shit is meaningless
Jon is just doing it because he promised he would
You see he isn't trying to make the wildlings fight for Dany and the 7 kingdoms.
In order to ensure life he had to make the deal and that deal didn't include getting his wolf killed for no reason

"Take care of him, I'll be back for him when this shits over." Would've cleared up any confusion. To me, it appeared that he we letting ghost run free in the North. Yeah, it saved him. But he still gave up his wolf... Which is a no no. Have someone keep him with the intention of going back to get him isn't what was I got from it.
 

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"Take care of him, I'll be back for him when this shits over." Would've cleared up any confusion. To me, it appeared that he we letting ghost run free in the North. Yeah, it saved him. But he still gave up his wolf... Which is a no no. Have someone keep him with the intention of going back to get him isn't what was I got from it.


So it's ok for arya to let go of her wolf but not Jon sending him off to retire?
 

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Niggas act like Jon and Ghost been joined at the hip the whole series, ghost isn’t a fuckin wolf and he didn’t tell Tormund to see he gets back north because the south is no place for a wolf
 

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So it's ok for arya to let go of her wolf but not Jon sending him off to retire?

You're assuming I was good with that, even though the circumstances were a bit different. Both of them are wrong for that, now what you gonna pivot to??? Go back and get your dog when it's safe. We just ain't gonna see eye to eye on this one pimp.
 

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Bullshit. There is no betrayal by proximity. She explicitly stated to both, in their face, what her intentions and priorities were.

Her loyalties are to the North and her people. If feelings are intermingled in loyalties then that just makes her no different than most human beings.

Its like you are forgetting that they live under a monarchy.

Monarchy isnt just when its convenient for you cause the guy/gal above you is someone you like.

Again, we talk about the right or wrong of her actions, it is still betrayal.
 

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You're assuming I was good with that, even though the circumstances were a bit different. Both of them are wrong for that, now what you gonna pivot to???
The fact that neither were wrong in letting their wolves live their best lives instead of being selfish and self serving

Arya wolf is free running the pack

Jon wolf about to run free enjoy the rest of his life


2 of Dany dragons met a bloody painful death
And the 3rd is about to go into another war after not being healed from a war he just fought


Now who cares about their pets?

Who's doing the right thing lol
 

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You're assuming I was good with that, even though the circumstances were a bit different. Both of them are wrong for that, now what you gonna pivot to??? Go back and get your dog when it's safe. We just ain't gonna see eye to eye on this one pimp.


Jon literally said you'll be happier up north with a good home and no fighting

And you're saying you don't let the wolf do that?

You don't see how it's self serving if you can't provide the best life for your pet and you don't let someone who can, do it?
 
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