I said there was an argument there as it pertained to the promise between the two. My rebuttal was that her stated goals and intentions were present and superseded that promise. But i admit its problematic.
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Yes, but her goal doesn't mean anything once the promise was made. That is why Sansa hesitates to promise without knowing exactly what the secret was. Now had Sansa stated before had that she couldn't guarantee she would keep Jon's secret that would be different. Jon would have told Sansa knowing she may not honor his wishes and that would have been on him.
Jon is understand the belief that he can trust his family with his secret and that is the only reason he told them.
You seem to be taking the stance that it's ok because like varies(?) Sansa puts the North before anything. However, for better or worse she went back on her word.
What part of "I agree its problematic" and "i said there is an argument there" dont you understand brother?
Soooooo. Ur saying Sansa knows more about her then everyone else after meeting her for 2 sec?
That’s basically saying Sansa knows more about her than Jon and tyrian
So basically she broke her oath in 1 day
You keep saying "know"
She doesn't have information
You dont need information to not like someone or trust them
She doesn't like her doesn't trust her and wants no parts of her
You don't need to know her history to do that
Thats exactly what i said.
The North never went to war. The war had not reached its doors yet.
Torrhen went South by himself, saw what the dragons were about... And bent the knee.
Did the North belong to Aegon after that or not?
Pretty much. I wouldnt call it an "oath" tho. It was a promise.. But yea, she broke it.
You do to make other people follow how you feel
Shit she didn’t like the hound. Nice they fucking best of friends.
yes, all the houses in the north pledged to the Stark and the Starks pledged to the Targaryens
No it isnt. I said the north was lost due to war. You said they never went to war.. implying that war was not at play. They were absolutely at war.. and instead of engaging he surrended. Stop the bullshit man.
And again, this is not a parallel to what Jon did. Jon was not at war with Danys.. He left winterfell with the reluctant blessing of the houses and Sansa ONLY for purposes of convincing her to join THEM!!! He left a King and returned a Lord. He betrayed his people. Period.
You saying he was King and therefore entitled to pass the crown is immaterial.
So if Robert Baratheon had never made Ned Stark king, Ned was still going to go into the court and demand the throne and arrest cersei. Because he found out their parantage.
Or would he have went back to Winterfell and minded his own business?
You agreed that it was problematic but still seem to be trying to excuse/ok the behavior. If I'm wrong and you were not excusing the behavior, feel free to move on
Exactly.
When you entered the discussion we had already moved on from that point. RIF
I didnt "imply" shit.
I said literally what happened.
Im being specific with the truth and you talking that "imply" shit.
The North never went to war.
In regards to Jon, what is immaterial is how long he was king or how the other lords felt.
When Torrehn knelt the Northen lords didnt like it either. He told them to stfu cause they aint seen the damage dragons can do.
Just like Jon told his peeps to stfu cause they aint fought the NK and only he knew what was coming.
Both Jon and Torrehn actions only goal was to save their people.
But you calling it betrayal and saying theres no parallel lmao .
Gofundme for a new keyboard with a working apostrophe key.
Funny you say that. When He offers her good advice she does the exact opposite.
Then when she needs him to talk to Cersi who is the only person in the world who doesnt like him, get mad at him cause he cant reason with her.
You absolutely implied they wernt at war. Again, you're full of shit. Them surrendering during a got dam war is them in fact losing the North to war. To rebutt that fact with "they didnt go to war" is dishonest bullshit.
And timeframe is important.. It sets the context for expectation and obligation. Jon was entrusted to perform a certain text and verbalized that intent in a room full of people before leaving and doing the exact opposite. Thats fucking betrayal. Period.
He wasnt at war with Danys.. she was not the imminent threat. Nor was she at the doorsteps threatening to kill his entire realm if he didnt surrender the crown. Again, there isnt a parallel. Sorry.
Trump just took a shit. Shouldn't you be making a thread about it sir?
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No he was kidnapped in Duskendale in the Crownlands, by Lord Darklynn. This was known as the "The Defiance of Duskendale" He was held captive for 6 months before being rescued by Barriston Selmy. He wiped out houses Darklynn and Hollar, sparing only Dantos Hollar. Yes the same Dantos who was Joffrey's fool and helped Sansa escape at the purple wedding.
1. Both Jon and Torrehn bent the knee to save their people.
2. Both of them did it when they went South by themselves.
3. Both bent the knee to a Targaryen with 3 dragons
4. The Northern lords didnt know it was coming and were against it for both.
6. The Northen lords had no clue about what the real threat was about for both Jon and Torrehn.
Oh and by the way, if Dany won the war against Cersei, she most definitely would have gone to war against Jon for the North.
No parralels though lmao.
You win this one.
Bran gonna warg into Drogon once the mother of dragons sits on the iron throne and kill her.
Hack writing? Apparently no one not even Daenerys who is flying in the sky saw a fleet of ships approaching them is great writing according to some on here.
Those dragons are about as much use as tits on a bull. Cot damn bitch, get low with that fucking dragon and fly it around the mountain and come up behind the boats and bbq their asses.....
Fuck, maybe practice on an XBox with a fighter pilot simulation before getting on your last fucking dragon and riding it straight to death.
Fuck, maybe practice on an XBox with a fighter pilot simulation before getting on your last fucking dragon and riding it straight to death.
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Bran gonna warg into Drogon once the mother of dragons sits on the iron throne and kill her.
Is Bran going to do something before the shows over...got dammint? This Mker hasn't put in any work so far this season. When is he going to warg into a tiger, elephant, whale or some shit? He just sits around all day with free room and board! Really getting tired of him. Show me some of that black magic already. Warg into the Mountain and cut Cersei's head off already.
So are you saying you like the writing or not? Why are you quoting and questioning me?
Right HBO is screwing the actors. I know a lot of actors aren't happy with HBO and the producers but they can't say shit.
Mind you they sell everything from Liquor to Oreo cookies and the actors dont see any of that money!
Mind you they sell everything from Liquor to Oreo cookies and the actors dont see any of that money!
Sarcasm, this season has some shitty writing. Look at the Night King, he was the big bad from the first episode yet he shows up in the last episode for 5 minutes of screen time and dies and that's it for his story line.
One during a war against the warring faction, and at the immediate threat of being burned to a crisp. Nothing alike.
Oneliterally in the middle of a war for the sole purpose of stopping his entire realm from being murdered in real time. Nothing alike.
One under the threat of death to himself and his entire lineage and all subjects. Nothing alike.
One knew they were at war against the threatening party. Nothing alike.
One thought they were sending their newly crowned King to seek an alliance for a looming conflict. Nothing alike.
Oh, and by the way, if my aunt had balls, she would most definitely be my uncle.
I've read differently.
I recall reading that HBO executives were at one point trying to convince the show runners to do more seasons but they refused and made it clear they were ending the show in 7 or 8 seasons.
*Edit - I actually found an article confirming this:
https://www.elitedaily.com/p/why-is...season-8-george-r-r-martin-opened-up-11945357
Look at the posts above. This has been settled. Why do you keep bringing it back up?