Was she told about it did she see it?
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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I think this was a deliberate choice by Showrunners to make it clear that there is no redeeming Dany at this point. If any of those scenarios u mention play out you would still have People saying "but she only went full pyro because this and that "
This way its clear that she's crossed the tipping point from being just unstable into madness.
This serves the interest of the story rather than the character which is the exact opposite choice they made when Arya killed the NK.
Remember GRRMs basic premise of the show is the way rulers were chosen was flawed. Who you're parents are or how good you are at fighting or battles doesn't mean you will be a good leader. In fact its probably the opposite most of the time.
So yeah they had to leave no doubt or wiggle room for characters like Jon and Tyrion to equivocate on their next steps.
I think this was a deliberate choice by Showrunners to make it clear that there is no redeeming Dany at this point. If any of those scenarios u mention play out you would still have People saying "but she only went full pyro because this and that "
This way its clear that she's crossed the tipping point from being just unstable into madness.
This serves the interest of the story rather than the character which is the exact opposite choice they made when Arya killed the NK.
Remember GRRMs basic premise of the show is the way rulers were chosen was flawed. Who you're parents are or how good you are at fighting or battles doesn't mean you will be a good leader. In fact its probably the opposite most of the time.
So yeah they had to leave no doubt or wiggle room for characters like Jon and Tyrion to equivocate on their next steps.
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this is literally the worst thing that happened to the show.
And honestly Danys reign is going to be short anyway. She can’t have kids... she has one Dragon and no more dragon eggs. Drogon will outlive her. There are more people in Westeros than there are in her army. No one will love her after this. The North never loved her and the South will now hate her. She has no bannermen pledged to her. Also people know dragons can be killed so it would just be a matter of time.
even tht made more sense than these last 2 seasons...
I cann tell which ones of you like Transformers films and who thinks shit like 'The Waatchmen' is slow and boring
"Then one day
When I thought it wasn't a sin left
I ran into my aunt
With the fat ass and the thin chest
I don't really want to talk about it
Or get in depth
But father I'm gon' leave you
With this last word called incest"
Cam'Ron ~ Confessions
Did you see the video I posted. It was like one hundred ships spread out....so they blinded by the sun on a cloudy day but no problem taking on two dragons the episode before on a clear day.
They all had time to point her out line up and take a shot. No difference and they had more ships.
A smarter play would be to show them plan out how they are going to take out the fleet since it has scorpions
In previous battles the show took the time to show these scenes......
but to go in with....
Our plan depends on Danny destroying the entire fleet is stupid.
If that’s the case why spend that time showing Dany collect an army. She didn’t even really need them after she single handedly took out every scorpion
He already dipped his pen in the ink. These Starks are just terrible at politics.
Exactly. I’m not mad at Dany.
They playing ‘for keeps’ now.
It’s ‘get down... or lay down time’.
And even if you lay down... that’s no guarantee that you gonna receive some ‘mercy’... after your Queen done killed her BFF and one of her kids.
People must have forgot the convo between Jorah & Sir Barristan...
Jorah: “How many wars have you fought in, Sir Barristan?”
Selmy: “Three”
Jorah: “Have you ever been in any war where innocents did not die by the THOUSANDS?”
Selmy: smh. (ie “No”)
Cersei once said: “I choose Violence”
And Dany said: “I choose Fear” (which means she don’t want nobody after Cersei getting any “bright ideas”.
)Tyrion: “Tell your people what happened here. Tell them what happens when they start getting notions & Dany comes back with her Dragons.”
This dude posted all these hints before episode 5. So you can’t say they weren’t there.
And if you remember, in the planning sessions, Daenaerys was the one that came up with the plan to burn the city and Varys told her it was a bad idea and told her not to destroy the city she came to liberate.
Not going lie I did like transformers 1, 3, 4
But I’ll also admit that they all made no sense.
And I love watchman.
You can love shit that doesn’t make sense.
The problem is when you justify stupidity out of blind loyalty
Man come on. Don’t miss the forest for the trees. Plan shit out? You ain’t see Dany is losing it before all this shit played out? The plan was I’m coming to fuck shit up. All the other “good” plans got her dragon killed, her best friend killed and she doesn’t trust her plan makers anyway.
we can agree to disagree. they did take shots. they missed. it was a near impossible shot. the green arrow would have missed.
Niggas are quoting and being co-signed by Florence. Your argument takes a huge L on that alone.
And I'm equally disappointed that you can't analogize and distinguish between a fleet with its sights set on a moving object releasing a barrage of projectiles to an unwitting target, hitting it broadside and an attacking adversary with high ground blindsiding stationary targets with manual weaponry that's aimed laterally.
Sorry for the run in sentence .
Man let me dip
People are going out of their way to defend this episode like the Kats trying to say the earths flat.
We are already getting the YouTube clip art video
People are going out of their way to defend this episode like the Kats trying to say the earths flat.
We are already getting the YouTube clip art video
Cersi deserved a better death than she got..did she even have any real lines in the last two episodes? she just stood there for with that sniveling look on her face for two shows
then to die with her lover while the city burned.. it's like got everything she wanted ....she won
i needed to see blood and suffering
no real payoff for one of the most hated characters on TV
then to die with her lover while the city burned.. it's like got everything she wanted ....she won
i needed to see blood and suffering
no real payoff for one of the most hated characters on TV
It's called a character arc, fam.
we can agree to disagree. they did take shots. they missed. it was a near impossible shot. the green arrow would have missed.
She dodged a fleet of arrows pointed at one target using the same move she used before. This ain’t cobra from gi joe... she should have been clipped. Everybody ain’t missing. She wasn’t even trying to dodge.
Just look at the two clips from the two battles I posted. There was no difference except the first time. Killed a dragon. It’s not like either side was surprised by the appearance of the other.
This cat sums it up perfectly
please remember that Daenerys murdered the Tarlys after taking them prisoner. That has never ever ever been considered a fair, moral, or sporting thing to do.
They had surrendered. It is evil to kill people after they surrender. Period. Full stop. The Tarlys had sworn her no oaths. I mention that to point out that although the show has rushed this reading, Daenerys has always been rash, emotional, capricious and obsessed with taking what she sees as her birthright.
It's just that now she's behaving that way with people we are coded to care about-not slaveowners or con men in Essos. It's not THAT far out of character that after Cersei killed her best friend forever AND another dragon that Daenerys would get mad and want revenge. Her patience is at an end! It didn't help that she was rejected by the man she loves, Jon.
Also, consider that the people whom Daenerys relies on to temper her worst impulses are either dead (Jorah, Missandei, Barristan), incompetent and conflicted (Tyrion) or outright hostile (Varys). Daenerys thought that upon returning to Westeros she would be feted by all. Instead people hate and fear her, advisers plot against her, she loses two dragons and has no real allies.
Her brother and husband are dead. Her mother died in childbirth; her father and other brother were killed, along with her nieces and nephews. Would that history lead a woman to stability and a gentle nature? Especially someone whose parents were siblings?
In real life it was always a tricky thing for cities to surrender. Rules of war were gradually and fitfully imposed though not always respected. Generally if a city forced attackers to take it by force, the attackers would express their displeasure by sacking it for three to five days. This meant rape, robbery and murder. However history is also full of examples where for religious reasons, other moral reasons or simply the desire for good pr, conquerors prevented widespread attacks on civilians after a city fell.
If a city surrenders on the other hand it was usually considered remarkably immoral to treat it as if it had resisted. Again, people being people, these things happened. There were some kings, mercenaries, and lords who had a good rep for offering fair treatment upon surrender. And there were some who did not.
I felt a little cheated not seeing Cersei get hers in a more personal fashion but that's life.
Stone doesn't burn until you get to about 2700 degrees. And dragons aren't high explosive concussive weapons. Of course we have no idea of the temperature of dragon fire. And many of the stone buildings probably had wood frames. So I'll accept all the stone falling as Sfx.
Daenerys has been seen as a feminist messiah in some quarters of fandom. So I am sure that some of those folks will see this turn as misogynistic. Balderdash. Women are just as capable of men as evil. From Daenerys' pov her actions, though likely rage filled, will ensure that there is peace as long as she reigns. It's utilitarian thinking. Burn out any thoughts of rebellion or disobedience from a few and save the lives of the many. Jon and Arya won't see it that way though. I think Daenerys just made Arya's list.
Just as Ned could not overlook the wrongness of Cersei's actions, perhaps more justifiably his "son" Jon could not overlook the wrongness of incest with his aunt. It's not utilitarian thinking at all but Ned didn't raise his sons to be utilitarians. Incest is wrong. First cousins may not count but aunts and nephews certainly do. I liked the duel between The Hound and The Mountain and the shoutback to the Hound's fear of fire. If Daenerys tries to execute Tyrion will that finally make Jon act?
To whom was Varys writing? Did he get his message out?
please remember that Daenerys murdered the Tarlys after taking them prisoner. That has never ever ever been considered a fair, moral, or sporting thing to do.
They had surrendered. It is evil to kill people after they surrender. Period. Full stop. The Tarlys had sworn her no oaths. I mention that to point out that although the show has rushed this reading, Daenerys has always been rash, emotional, capricious and obsessed with taking what she sees as her birthright.
It's just that now she's behaving that way with people we are coded to care about-not slaveowners or con men in Essos. It's not THAT far out of character that after Cersei killed her best friend forever AND another dragon that Daenerys would get mad and want revenge. Her patience is at an end! It didn't help that she was rejected by the man she loves, Jon.
Also, consider that the people whom Daenerys relies on to temper her worst impulses are either dead (Jorah, Missandei, Barristan), incompetent and conflicted (Tyrion) or outright hostile (Varys). Daenerys thought that upon returning to Westeros she would be feted by all. Instead people hate and fear her, advisers plot against her, she loses two dragons and has no real allies.
Her brother and husband are dead. Her mother died in childbirth; her father and other brother were killed, along with her nieces and nephews. Would that history lead a woman to stability and a gentle nature? Especially someone whose parents were siblings?
In real life it was always a tricky thing for cities to surrender. Rules of war were gradually and fitfully imposed though not always respected. Generally if a city forced attackers to take it by force, the attackers would express their displeasure by sacking it for three to five days. This meant rape, robbery and murder. However history is also full of examples where for religious reasons, other moral reasons or simply the desire for good pr, conquerors prevented widespread attacks on civilians after a city fell.
If a city surrenders on the other hand it was usually considered remarkably immoral to treat it as if it had resisted. Again, people being people, these things happened. There were some kings, mercenaries, and lords who had a good rep for offering fair treatment upon surrender. And there were some who did not.
I felt a little cheated not seeing Cersei get hers in a more personal fashion but that's life.
Stone doesn't burn until you get to about 2700 degrees. And dragons aren't high explosive concussive weapons. Of course we have no idea of the temperature of dragon fire. And many of the stone buildings probably had wood frames. So I'll accept all the stone falling as Sfx.
Daenerys has been seen as a feminist messiah in some quarters of fandom. So I am sure that some of those folks will see this turn as misogynistic. Balderdash. Women are just as capable of men as evil. From Daenerys' pov her actions, though likely rage filled, will ensure that there is peace as long as she reigns. It's utilitarian thinking. Burn out any thoughts of rebellion or disobedience from a few and save the lives of the many. Jon and Arya won't see it that way though. I think Daenerys just made Arya's list.
Just as Ned could not overlook the wrongness of Cersei's actions, perhaps more justifiably his "son" Jon could not overlook the wrongness of incest with his aunt. It's not utilitarian thinking at all but Ned didn't raise his sons to be utilitarians. Incest is wrong. First cousins may not count but aunts and nephews certainly do. I liked the duel between The Hound and The Mountain and the shoutback to the Hound's fear of fire. If Daenerys tries to execute Tyrion will that finally make Jon act?
To whom was Varys writing? Did he get his message out?
The Hound is like I hear a bunch of talkers on here. Talkers make me thirsty a bunch of fuckin cunts I fought to the very end sacrificed my life and fell mad stories off a building for what a bunch of shit talking cunts...I'll take 2 chickens now..R.I.P to Hound the realest dude on GOT 
There is a lot in the episode that’s bullshit. Mad queen isn’t one of them. I don’t see a lot dudes in here defending the episode. I see dudes in here telling you that they have seen the clues of this for years and you denying it and saying it was a complete 180 snap and that’s why the episode sucks.
I mean there were people in this thread before the episode even aired saying Daenerys was about to go mad queen.
There was no difference except the first time she was blindsided and the second she did the blindsiding.
You also act like during the first attack she didn't dodge scorpion fire when she attacked ships head on before bailing on the swan dive.
You're being silly. And You're also making up arguments to attack. No one is saying there are no flaws. But to pretend these actions are out of no where is absurd. And comparing it issues with Power is fundamentally idiotic.
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i actually have no problem with the mad queen part... that's been brewing forever
everything else in the ep was lazy....all we got was an hour and a half of people screaming....smh
what sights are you talking about?Niggas are quoting and being co-signed by Florence. Your argument takes a huge L on that alone.
And I'm equally disappointed that you can't analogize and distinguish between a fleet with its sights set on a moving object releasing a barrage of projectiles to an unwitting target, hitting it broadside and an attacking adversary with high ground blindsiding stationary targets with manual weaponry that's aimed laterally.
Sorry for the run in sentence .
THEY WERE BEHIND A FUCKING CLIFF!
just look at this horseshit:
At Least now I understand why you are oblivious to words "line of sight"
even in your false scenario - in open ocean Dany should see the fleet long before they can enter weapons range
Next episode:
Dany: "Fuckin Drogon! I tried to stop him..but he went ballistic! All I could do was hold on"
Dany: "Fuckin Drogon! I tried to stop him..but he went ballistic! All I could do was hold on"
i think 90% of BGOL watch jus to bash it afterwards...
every sunday it`s the same thing...even online....lol
So are we to be like Trump supporters and accept everything we are given no questions asked?
Are you an idiot of just pretending to be one?
First you tell me that a ship can't ambush a dragon and now you tell me (admit) that they were hiding in wait behind a fucking cliff for a unsuspecting target they knew was coming.
Hey muthafucka , that's an ambush!!!
Do you not see how you are debunking your own claims!!??
I can't defend the entire episode.
Jaime/Euron fight was just dumb
Clegane Bowl was disappointing (and bit off the Highlander 1 Kurgen/Sanchez battle too)
Dany's completely wiping out all enemy forces without even coming close to being hit was little over the top
Jaime/Cersei going out the way they did was wack
but Dany going full Tagaryan, I don't have a problem with it
I also had no problem with Arya's plot armor being used to show just how devastating Dany's attack was on the regular people of KL. Ain't seen anything like that since 9/11
I'm sure Emmys are in store for set design for this episode.
Bruh. You are comparing them shooting at an unaware target that is not being ridden flying horizontally to a directly aimed dragon coming directly at them fully prepared. It’s just like if you go to an NBA game. In pregame you see all them dudes that can’t hit shit in the game looking like MJ at the shootaround but how many can do it with a hand in their face?
How many dudes trying to shoot that scorpion with fire coming at them? Once she got low they couldn’t shoot because they would have shot each other. Dany hasn’t been hit one time when she hasn’t been stationary. Both her dragons got killed without riders.
All of this. All of this right here.
then you haven't been paying attention from the beginning.