Gun Shopping: I need a handgun - Home Defense <$500 (Porn Inside)

[donwuan]

I bought 2000 rounds of this. I haven't tried to clean my guns yet so I don't know how much residue they leave

Get some name brand ammo and keep a clip full for defense. Hollow points. That there is range only ammo. Don't trust your life with it until you shoot a couple 100 rounds without a jam.

 

[Heist]

I bought 2000 rounds of this. I haven't tried to clean my guns yet so I don't know how much residue they leave

fiocchi is quality ammo. You won’t have much issue with fouling.

 

[Heist]

The new CCW champ. Sig Sauer P365

Nope. Read how many recalls and redesigns there have been on the 365 in the 2 years that its been available!

I think Sig is on Ver. 7/8 or running line changes to solve any number of problems.

Not trusting my life to that turd.

 

[Heist]

My next purchase

I would advise you reconsider for the time being. See my post directly above

 

[donwuan]

Nope. Read how many recalls and redesigns there have been on the 365 in the 2 years that its been available!

I think Sig is on Ver. 7/8 or running line changes to solve any number of problems.

Not trusting my life to that turd.

Don't believe the hype from the Glock fan boys. My shit is flawless. The return rate is like .006 percent. You don't even have one. This shit winning awards and out selling everything on the market.

 

[Heist]

Don't believe the hype from the Glock fan boys. My shit is flawless. Every manufacture has had warranty returns. Glock has more than anybody and they're highly reliable.

The thing is I’m not a Glock fan boy. I have no Glocks and don’t shoot them. I don’t like their grip angle, squishy trigger (too much overtravel and take up), or my purchase.

I have a Kimber Super Match II, a Gen 1.5 Sig P320, and Ruger P95.

Be that as it may, the P365’s are a crap shoot. Some people like you have no FTFs, FTEs, and perfect cycling no matter what it’s fed. Others have a failure (or more) of some fashion every session. These are not phantom problems. Sig has already made multiple running design changes. You don’t invest in re-engineering tooling, and parts supply changes for non-issues.

 

[donwuan]

The thing is I’m not a Glock fan boy. I have no Glocks and don’t shoot them. I don’t like their grip angle, squishy trigger (too much overtravel and take up), or my purchase.

I have a Kimber Super Match II, a Gen 1.5 Sig P320, and Ruger P95.

Be that as it may, the P365’s are a crap shoot. Some people like you have no FTFs, FTEs, and perfect cycling no matter what it’s fed. Others have a failure (or more) of some fashion every session. These are not phantom problems. Sig has already made multiple running design changes.

They had breaking strikers from a supplier and broken trigger return springs. The striker was redesigned to make it stronger. The spring was revised too. Nothing else. Funny you say that and you have a P320. Those were buggy coming outta the gate too. I hear you homie but it was over blown. I waited a year before I copped it. The range has a gen 1 with thousands of rounds through it. I rented it before I decided. Go try one. And Sig's Lifetime Warranty is first class no questions asked. You know this.

 

[Heist]

They had breaking strikers from a supplier and broken trigger return springs. The striker was redesigned to make it stronger. The spring was revised too. Nothing else..

Nothing else? That’s not true.
There where lock back failures, RTB failures, striker drag, sights that were horribly installed and even fell out, ammo sensitivity, etc.

I’m sure you love the platform, but again, a weapon doesn’t undergo six or seven revisions in its first two years unless legitimate issues present themselves.

I’m not trusting my life or defense of my family and others until I see two years of little to no complaints or issues about the gun and right now, we’re not even fully through one year.

 

[PsiBorg]

I have a Glock. I didn't buy the Glock because I'm a Fan Boy. I bought the Glock because of reliability and durability. I just think it's an excellent "first" gun.

I'm positive when I say that guns are like tattoos. You say you're going to get one, and only one. But you end up getting another, then another, and then another. I'd buy the Glock and practice my ass off. Then, you'd start looking at other guns to add to your growing collection.

Good luck to you...

 

[DMXtreem]

I haven't really handled weapons since I got out of the Navy (been to the range once since I got out). I need something simple, semi-auto. Something that's easy to use, Easy to clean and the bullets aren't too expensive.

I'm guessing a 9mm would be preferred over a .380 because I would assume 9mm rounds are cheaper than .380 rounds. I don't want it to cost me a grip practicing with it.

I don't know where to look, so I'm asking y'all. I know I'm not the only guy who's curious, and we got people on this site who know a lot of shit about a lot of shit.

So, what do you got, and where do I look? Also if you could add info like laser sighting I'd appreciate it.

Here are a few things to consider that should be determined and accomplished BEFORE you get into types of handguns, caliber's and so on:

1. Is this weapon purposed for firing range exercise or for personal defense?
2. If for personal defense (Combat Shooting) what is your physical skill level and understanding of good marksmanship?
3. If this is about defense what is the best platform (HandgunType) for you, a Revolver or Magazine fed platform?
4. Most guys like a Magazine fed handgun, it looks cool and you have a lot of rounds to fire off. But here is the most important question, if you pull the trigger and the gun goes "click" instead of "bang" what do you do??? If you honestly can't answer that question in under half a second, you're dead!!!

I'm not preaching to you or trying to dissuade you from purchasing a weapon for self defense or recreation. I'm just trying to emphasize that gun ownership is a serious thing and to make sure you concentrate more so on good fundamental "Combat Marksmenship" and weapon manipulation!!!

 

[donwuan]

Nothing else? That’s not true.
There where lock back failures, RTB failures, striker drag, sights that were horribly installed and even fell out, ammo sensitivity, etc.

I’m sure you love the platform, but again, a weapon doesn’t undergo six or seven revisions in its first two years unless legitimate issues present themselves.

I’m not trusting my life or defense of my family and others until I see two years of little to no complaints or issues about the gun and right now, we’re not even fully through one year.

Lock back failure when due to people not cleaning the factory grease from the gun and people gripping the gun incorrectly. It''s small as fuck and if you thumb rubs the slide or slide realease it stays open. That not a safety issue.

All micro subcompacts have striker drag. Glock 43x, S&W Shield, and so on. They cycle so fast the shell drags on the striker. Nothing new here.

I think you are referring to Glock sights. The P365 has metal pressed in night glow sights. Best on the market.

The Sig Sauer 365 ammo is best thing for it. But I fed various ammo through it with out failure.

I never under that trusting my life shit the white boys always bring up. The robber that shots at you will have an old ass untested pistol, rubber bands around the grip, Walmart target ammo, and aiming with one hand. You shouldn't carry and gun without putting a few hundred rounds through it anyway.

Go to a local gun dealer and ask them about the P365. Their outselling everything on the market right now for a reason. It's been over a year, almost two.

And what about that P320 homie? If you drop it will fire but you still got it. You trust you life with it? Police kill us with them everyday.

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

damn son, I have at least 1k rounds through my 43 and I've never had a malfunction! like all mo other Glocks, it eats anything I throw at it!

 

[Heist]

Lock back failure when due to people not cleaning the factory grease from the gun and people gripping the gun incorrectly. It''s small as fuck and if you thumb rubs the slide or slide realease it stays open. That not a safety issue.

All micro subcompacts have striker drag. Glock 43x, S&W Shield, and so on. They cycle so fast the shell drags on the striker. Nothing new here.

I think you are referring to Glock sights. The P365 has metal pressed in night glow sights. Best on the market.

The Sig Sauer 365 ammo is best thing for it. But I fed various ammo through it with out failure.

I never under that trusting my life shit the white boys always bring up. The robber that shots at you will have an old ass untested pistol, rubber bands around the grip, Walmart target ammo, and aiming with one hand. You shouldn't carry and gun without putting a few hundred rounds through it anyway.

Go to a local gun dealer and ask them about the P365. Their outselling everything on the market right now for a reason. It's been over a year, almost two.

And what about that P320 homie? If you drop it will fire but you still got it. You trust you life with it? Police kill us with them everyday.

Ford sold a ton of exploding Pintos. Just because it sells well doesn’t mean a thing about its reliability. There’s a massive number of consumers who aren’t read in or knowledgable about firearms and will buy whatever the guy across the other side of the counter recommends, or what looks “cool” or what feels good in their hand.

I don’t want to go back and forth on the 365. There’s ample info on various forums and professional reviews about its ills and Sigs scrambling to make changes. I don’t trust it yet. Simple as that.

As for the 320 AD issue. Well, that required the weapon to be dropped onto a hard surface, with a specific level of force, and the gun at to land at a very unusual and precise angle and impact point, which would allow the trigger to creep just enough to slip the sear and release the striker.

It never concerned me because I had already replaced my trigger with an Apex flat trigger a month after I bought it.

 

[Flawless]

Cheaper rounds can cause jams because of the low amount grain in the powder used. The slide assembly may not have enough force to go all the way back to eject the expended round or fully seat the next round.

I always buy cheap bullets for the range and never had one jam

 

[ankhheru]

I always buy cheap bullets for the range and never had one jam

Every brand of gun is different when it comes to ammo. Some brands of guns can eat any kind without any hiccups where as others are very particular. I used to own a couple of Ruger P89's that would eat anything you would feed it but every other hand gun I've owned had had their own particular appetite. It can be due to the weight of the recoil spring and the side assembly. I've read on gun forums that after extended break in periods hand guns that are particular like that tend to get past that or changing the recoil spring can help. Either way I just stop using ammo that my hand guns don't like. I don't like taking chances on my life.

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

Every brand of gun is different when it comes to ammo. Some brands of guns can eat any kind without any hiccups where as others are very particular. I used to own a couple of Ruger P89's that would eat anything you would feed it but every other hand gun I've owned had had their own particular appetite. It can be due to the weight of the recoil spring and the side assembly. I've read on gun forums that after extended break in periods hand guns that are particular like that tend to get past that or changing the recoil spring can help. Either way I just stop using ammo that my hand guns don't like. I don't like taking chances on my life.

my Glocks eat ANYTHING I put into them, my HK's are a little more picky......they're fine as long as you don't feed them absolute garbage

 

[ankhheru]

my Glocks eat ANYTHING I put into them, my HK's are a little more picky......they're fine as long as you don't feed them absolute garbage

Yeah. That's my point. It doesn't matter how expensive the hand gun or even the name brand. It's just the way they're made. It's the personality of the hand guns.

 

[donwuan]

Ford sold a ton of exploding Pintos. Just because it sells well doesn’t mean a thing about its reliability. There’s a massive number of consumers who aren’t read in or knowledgable about firearms and will buy whatever the guy across the other side of the counter recommends, or what looks “cool” or what feels good in their hand.

I don’t want to go back and forth on the 365. There’s ample info on various forums and professional reviews about its ills and Sigs scrambling to make changes. I don’t trust it yet. Simple as that.

As for the 320 AD issue. Well, that required the weapon to be dropped onto a hard surface, with a specific level of force, and the gun at to land at a very unusual and precise angle and impact point, which would allow the trigger to creep just enough to slip the sear and release the striker.

It never concerned me because I had already replaced my trigger with an Apex flat trigger a month after I bought it.

Yeah, right homie. We done. Imma just leave the recall list for 2018 right here for you. Some best guns out on the list.

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[bbuzzard]

P89 was my first pistol and I still shoot it...added a CrimsonTrace laser on it years ago

Every brand of gun is different when it comes to ammo. Some brands of guns can eat any kind without any hiccups where as others are very particular. I used to own a couple of Ruger P89's that would eat anything you would feed it but every other hand gun I've owned had had their own particular appetite. It can be due to the weight of the recoil spring and the side assembly. I've read on gun forums that after extended break in periods hand guns that are particular like that tend to get past that or changing the recoil spring can help. Either way I just stop using ammo that my hand guns don't like. I don't like taking chances on my life.

 

[ankhheru]

P89 was my first pistol and I still shoot it...added a CrimsonTrace laser on it years ago

That's the tank of hand guns. I love that gun so much I brought it twice. You could literally pistol whip the shit out of somebody with that and wouldn't even break it. Hell you could drop it in mud and it would still shoot.

 

[Spoke]

Every brand of gun is different when it comes to ammo. Some brands of guns can eat any kind without any hiccups where as others are very particular. I used to own a couple of Ruger P89's that would eat anything you would feed it but every other hand gun I've owned had had their own particular appetite. It can be due to the weight of the recoil spring and the side assembly. I've read on gun forums that after extended break in periods hand guns that are particular like that tend to get past that or changing the recoil spring can help. Either way I just stop using ammo that my hand guns don't like. I don't like taking chances on my life.

Me and my Girl are looking as first-time buyers for Home Defense what would you recommend?

 

[The Plutonian]

Me and my Girl are looking as first-time buyers for Home Defense what would you recommend?

For her I’d go .380 low profile (9mm bullet) for you I’d go Springfield 9mm to .45 Acp also low profile. Read up on weapons and go hold the weapon. My hands arent huge but I’m used to a solid feel on the weapon. Don’t buy into these though, do your research and take your time. I also like the 9mm beretta still because it’s a safe but effective weapon. I carry .45 and .40 backups now for stopping power but a 9mm is a smaller bullet coming out faster. It’ll ruin your day. Same with .380. Wifey can carry it like them old ass .22 or .25s. Things are tiny. Until she get to clapping

 

[Spoke]

For her I’d go .380 low profile (9mm bullet) for you I’d go Springfield 9mm to .45 Acp also low profile. Read up on weapons and go hold the weapon. My hands arent huge but I’m used to a solid feel on the weapon. Don’t buy into these though, do your research and take your time. I also like the 9mm beretta still because it’s a safe but effective weapon. I carry .45 and .40 backups now for stopping power but a 9mm is a smaller bullet coming out faster. It’ll ruin your day. Same with .380. Wifey can carry it like them old ass .22 or .25s. Things are tiny. Until she get to clapping

Got it !! ..... Thanks Cuz on that serious tip. Will let you know .

 

[bbuzzard]

Me and my Girl are looking as first-time buyers for Home Defense what would you recommend?

Before you step to buy one, ensure you are comfortable with the operation and characteristics of different firearms. Go to your local range and see if they have loaners to try and get familiar. Another thing to consider is if you are a lefty or righty (not politics). You may benefit with a gun that is ambidextrous. There are brand loyalist out there but the calibers mentioned before are probably your best options. Once you purchase them, it is imperative that BOTH of you practice. A lot of people died when armed because they didn't understand their weapon. Don't be that guy...

 

[Spoke]

Before you step to buy one, ensure you are comfortable with the operation and characteristics of different firearms. Go to your local range and see if they have loaners to try and get familiar. Another thing to consider is if you are a lefty or righty (not politics). You may benefit with a gun that is ambidextrous. There are brand loyalist out there but the calibers mentioned before are probably your best options. Once you purchase them, it is imperative that BOTH of you practice. A lot of people died when armed because they didn't understand their weapon. Don't be that guy...[/QUOTE]

I think this is the most critical advice of it all that a newbie can receive its one thing to have it but using it when you need it is a whole different world.

 

[DiGeneral]

Me and my Girl are looking as first-time buyers for Home Defense what would you recommend?

For her I’d go .380 low profile (9mm bullet) for you I’d go Springfield 9mm to .45 Acp also low profile. Read up on weapons and go hold the weapon. My hands arent huge but I’m used to a solid feel on the weapon. Don’t buy into these though, do your research and take your time. I also like the 9mm beretta still because it’s a safe but effective weapon. I carry .45 and .40 backups now for stopping power but a 9mm is a smaller bullet coming out faster. It’ll ruin your day. Same with .380. Wifey can carry it like them old ass .22 or .25s. Things are tiny. Until she get to clapping

The only critique I'd have for the homie @plutonian, is the .380 and recommending them for women. I would have your girl go with you to the gun store and make sure that she can rack the slide. One of the problems with .380's and their small size, is that the recoil springs are usually very stout. Requiring good wrist strength, to rack the slide putting the gun into battery. If the racking of slide isn't robust, the round will not be properly chambered. In my experiences, this is usually an issue with 1st time smaller framed shooters, especially women. I won't even go into my thoughts on the .380 as an effective defense caliber.

My recommendation is usually a revolver for women. The premise is to take most of the overthinking out of the equation, especially in times of distress. With a revolver, one has to point and shoot. Again the above is solely based on my experiences, I'm not an expert, nor do I portray one on tv.

 

[Spoke]

The only critique I'd have for the homie @plutonian, is the .380 and recommending them for women. I would have your girl go with you to the gun store and make sure that she can rack the slide. One of the problems with .380's and their small size, is that the recoil springs are usually very stout. Requiring good wrist strength, to rack the slide putting the gun into battery. If the racking of slide isn't robust, the round will not be properly chambered. In my experiences, this is usually an issue with 1st time smaller framed shooters, especially women. I won't even go into my thoughts on the .380 as an effective defense caliber.

My recommendation is usually a revolver for women. The premise is to take most of the overthinking out of the equation, especially in times of distress. With a revolver, one has to point and shoot. Again the above is solely based on my experiences, I'm not an expert, nor do I portray one on tv.

hmmm ...then what will be ideal is to be able to test at the point of purchase which doesn't seem very likely at a gun range....even for myself I would like to test what I'm buying. The gun range will have a variety of weapons for us to use I imagine but would they have that range of styles for us to look over is the question. I know she will bulk at the revolver for want of the magazine reload, but the point and shoot aspect for the revolver does make sense as does the recoil.

 

[Famous1]

The only critique I'd have for the homie @plutonian, is the .380 and recommending them for women. I would have your girl go with you to the gun store and make sure that she can rack the slide. One of the problems with .380's and their small size, is that the recoil springs are usually very stout. Requiring good wrist strength, to rack the slide putting the gun into battery. If the racking of slide isn't robust, the round will not be properly chambered. In my experiences, this is usually an issue with 1st time smaller framed shooters, especially women. I won't even go into my thoughts on the .380 as an effective defense caliber.

My recommendation is usually a revolver for women. The premise is to take most of the overthinking out of the equation, especially in times of distress. With a revolver, one has to point and shoot. Again the above is solely based on my experiences, I'm not an expert, nor do I portray one on tv.

And .380 ammo is relatively expensive compared to 9mm..

 

[bham_brotha]

If you're not using Hornady critical defense in your carry then you're doing it wrong.

 

[ankhheru]

Me and my Girl are looking as first-time buyers for Home Defense what would you recommend?

I use a shotgun for home defense and my handguns as secondary and for everyday carry. There's different brands that are affordable and dependable but that's up to you and your budget.

The most affordable and dependable shotgun you can buy would be the Mossberg Maverick 88. It comes in under $200 and is built by the same folks that build Mossberg so you have their quality, craftsmanship and you can also interchange a lot of parts with the Mossberg 500 because it's built on the Mossberg 500 platform. I own one myself. In fact I keep mine right beside my headboard locked and loaded.

You'll have to check out which loads work best for you and your girl because different loads give different recoil but they also give different size holes and spread patterns. I alternate between 00buck and slug but that's because I'm not trying to have anybody show up and testify for the state once they make it up in their minds that they want to enter my home. If it's only one statement to be made to the police its going to be mine.

 

[kshaq]

I just got a Glock 17 on sale at Academy sports. $499. I also have a Ruger P89.

 

[bbuzzard]

Ya'll dudes need to wake up...

 

[The Plutonian]

And .380 ammo is relatively expensive compared to 9mm..

Depends on where you look. $12 for 50 rounds

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I put 1,000 rounds through my XD .45 and 40. Neither ever jammed and i didn't have to go through any immediate actions, smooth and not too much on trigger pull. The .40's grouping actually was tighter. I wish a mf would

 

[bbuzzard]

9mm, 45ACP, and 223 and a shotgun is all you need...don't get distracted. Practice with what you got...

 

[blkking1123]

Depends on where you look. $12 for 50 rounds

380 Auto Ammo In Stock - 91 gr FMJ - 380 Auto Ammunition by Tula Cartridge Works For Sale - 50 Rounds

380 Auto Ammo For Sale - 91 gr FMJ Ammunition by Tula In Stock

www.luckygunner.com

I put 1,000 rounds through my XD .45 and 40. Neither ever jammed and i didn't have to go through any immediate actions, smooth and not too much on trigger pull. The .40's grouping actually was tighter. I wish a mf would

Just pickup a xd9 today..beautiful gun..fuck glock..