Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......

[grownazzblakman]

Top 10 Types of People Who Hate The Black Panther Movie

Since the movie dropped, you have probably already talked / debated / or 'argued online' with at least 1 of them... or at least someone who fits a 'combination' of a few of these descriptions..

1. Black Contrarians. Black people who hate everything that most Black people love. It makes them feel smarter and more special than the "average" Black "simpleton."

2. Black People who are Belligerently Afrocentic. Much respect for Afrocentrism in critical thought, but there are some who use it primarily to criticize Black people, rather than to dismantle White supremacy. They'll say, "The Black Panther movie is misrepresenting Africa" or "Black folks only wear dashikis to watch a movie.". Watch Out.

3. Racist White People. Self-explanatory.

4. Black 'Deep Subject Matter' Experts. They could be an amateur action movie critic or marvel comics expert. They don't "hate" the move per se, but they do enjoy condemning other Black people for jumping on a bandwagon, or not having a true ability to discern the true quality. They like to point out all of the things the movie missed, and all of the other Marvel movies that were better.

5. Black Pessimists. They have a dreadfully cynical view of the state, condition and future of Black people. They believe images of Black superheroes in a technologically advanced nation will further Black apathy. It's just the opioid we need to deny the "real" issues and live in a Wakanda stupor forever.

6. Black 'Woke' People Who Need a Nap. Condemns the movie simply because of its affiliation to Disney, Marvel or anything 'the white man built'. This person thinks he’s a practical resistor... not realizing the irony of using an Apple iPhone to post his message on Facebook. (Both of these companies were created & operated by White folks.)

7. 'People of Color' Who Are Racist Toward Black Folks. The absurdity of 'how much' some of these folks dislike Black people is mind-boggling, especially when they themselves endure just as much racism. (For example: One type of the Racist Person of Color is the Spanish Guy who believes that Black People deserve to be 'racially profiled' by the Cops... yet ironically, he is also quick to complain about getting 'randomly searched' by TSA Agents at the local airport. Or he bitches about the Border Wall that Trump wants to build to keep his Spanish-ass out of the country. These types of POC always think they are actually White... until something 'racist' happens to them, personally... so they are unable to relate to any of the issues that the Black Panther movie touches on. )

8. Marcus Garvey's Blogging 3rd Cousin. This is the very distant (twice-removed) step-nephew-in-law of Malcom X (or his sister) that nobody ever knew about... who somehow still has a YouTube Channel that hasn't been shut down yet. His/her job number #1 is to 'make wildly incorrect assumptions' about the trailers... LONG BEFORE seeing the actual BP movie for themselves... then point out how the movie is not going to stop Police Brutality next week... and literally INSULT anyone who actually likes the film. (You will often hear them use words like: sheep, black nerd, rage, coons, fanboys, misled & lost... to describe other BP movie fans who are Black.)

9. The 'Social Media' Pro-Blacktivist. These 'arm-chair activists' think that 'reparations' should come from Disney. Or Marvel. OR BOTH. (And they will let you know about it, on various Social Media channels.)

10. The Fake 'Movie Critic' Who Just Wants To Rant About Politics. This person uses the Black Panther movie as a 'straw-man' to create false-equivalency arguments... just to complain about politics. They are completely unable to separate their (real life) 'political beliefs' from a (fictional) comic book movie script. (You will often hear them use words like: SJW, leftists, snowflake, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Thug, Bernie Sanders, Uranium One, elitist, HRC, Democrats & MAGA... while talking about what they disliked about the Black Panther movie)


Sooo True.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

@largebillsonlyplease

Thoughts on Klaw?

Thoughts on Killmonger killing his girl?

Thoughts on Nakia overall?

Thoughts on the end credits?

Klaw was a racist criminal that Killmonger played like a fiddle. Used him completely and killed him and then used him to get what he wanted. He felt superior like he was running things and he was just a pawn i loved that.

Killing his girl, she was actually an outsider. She was never going to be going with him in the first place.

Nakia felt like Killmonger but she had been brought up there so she didn't see the 1st hand pain she was just compelled to help while others sat back.
That easily could've been any of them that's the point. It's easy to have those principles from that paradise.
Put in the same situation Nakia, Okoye, M'Baku even T'Challa could've been Killmonger.
that's the point.

 

[silentking]

Which keeps bringing home my point about ol boy.
It was after everything was already in motion and done that we can say he turned "against" anyone. All of it was done. The ships were literally leaving wakanda as the KING had ordered.
And everyone is acting like he was conspiring to do it from jump. he was not.
he just didn't magically go back another way when it was time to fight.

Shit, T'Challa himself asked for help because he knew he couldn't just WALK IN THERE and all of these "loyal" people would just be like ok fuck you Erik though you are technically king or we thought you were or whatever.

I mean...I guess I can see that point of view. I can also see why people saw it as him turning before that. He was salty as fuck....not without some justification...but salt is salt. But I think thats one of the larger themes of the movie overall....a lot of the people in T'Challa's circle expressed more tempered versions of the same sentiment that Killmonger took to the extreme. So it made sense that some rode with him. Just goes to show what inaction by leadership breeds in the people affected by it.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Or, even when they brought him to Wakanda, and Shuri smurks, "Yeah, another white boy to fix." or whatever she said. Like, in our world, we do the saving...not the other way around.

White people aren't a threat in their world they're colonizers and irrelevant.
Imagine if we had an invisible place to flourish free from them? lol

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I mean...I guess I can see that point of view. I can also see why people saw it as him turning before that. He was salty as fuck....not without some justification...but salt is salt. But I think thats one of the larger themes of the movie overall....a lot of the people in T'Challa's circle expressed more tempered versions of the same sentiment that Killmonger took to the extreme. So it made sense that some rode with him. Just goes to show what inaction by leadership breeds in the people affected by it.

EXACTLY
and I'll never call someone being mad their parents weren't avenged being salty. EVER. He was upset because nobody seemed to care about his parents death but HIM.
"I got you" will never be sufficient enough when dealing with that type of loss ever. Once again for reference T'Challa didn't come back and chill. He was in full attack and spy mode on a blood hunt until he got the justice he wanted and EVERYONE wants W'Kabi to just be cool lololol
it makes no sense.

Like think about it. Killmonger even knew that Klaw had killed his fucking parents. Infiltrated his crew and killed him. Are we going to sit here and say that nobody from Wakanda was equipped to do that for W'Kabi after the sacrifice he made by not doing it himself which should be his right in order to put country first and protect the borders?


And even STILL he didn't TURN on T'Challa until it was the absolute end and even THEN he didn't completely turn his back on his people and even his girl. Surrendered without a fight for love and for Wakanda

 

[Turri]

It was cool seeing a version of Klaw in this movie.
I remember Klaw from the Secret War days.

 

[silentking]

EXACTLY
and I'll never call someone being mad their parents weren't avenged being salty. EVER. He was upset because nobody seemed to care about his parents death but HIM.
"I got you" will never be sufficient enough when dealing with that type of loss ever. Once again for reference T'Challa didn't come back and chill. He was in full attack and spy mode on a blood hunt until he got the justice he wanted and EVERYONE wants W'Kabi to just be cool lololol
it makes no sense.

Like think about it. Killmonger even knew that Klaw had killed his fucking parents. Infiltrated his crew and killed him. Are we going to sit here and say that nobody from Wakanda was equipped to do that for W'Kabi after the sacrifice he made by not doing it himself which should be his right in order to put country first and protect the borders?


And even STILL he didn't TURN on T'Challa until it was the absolute end and even THEN he didn't completely turn his back on his people and even his girl. Surrendered without a fight for love and for Wakanda

I feel you and I don't. Did he have the right to be mad? Yes. Did his anger make him salty? Yes. He didn't ask T'Challa for no details about how Klaw got away...which would have hipped him to the fact that Klaw only got away because of the dude that was about to show up at the border. His anger had merit...but his actions based on that anger really didn't in my opinion. But different views on it are cool...sign of a good plot point.

As far as him surrendering without a fight for the love of Wakanda....nah. He was fully prepared to Rhino stomp T'Challa and pretty much anybody out there except his boo. He surrendered cuz his boo was prepared to dead him...plain and simple.

 

[WattDogs]

Or, even when they brought him to Wakanda, and Shuri smurks, "Yeah, another white boy to fix." or whatever she said. Like, in our world, we do the saving...not the other way around.

I liked how that statement was left in limbo until the ending scene. Good continuity.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I feel you and I don't. Did he have the right to be mad? Yes. Did his anger make him salty? Yes. He didn't ask T'Challa for no details about how Klaw got away...which would have hipped him to the fact that Klaw only got away because of the dude that was about to show up at the border. His anger had merit...but his actions based on that anger really didn't in my opinion. But different views on it are cool...sign of a good plot point.

As far as him surrendering without a fight for the love of Wakanda....nah. He was fully prepared to Rhino stomp T'Challa and pretty much anybody out there except his boo. He surrendered cuz his boo was prepared to dead him...plain and simple.

T'Challa didn't even come to him to tell him that he got away. He had to hunt T'Challa down.
Also T'Challa was too busy to explain anything. He wasn't gonna explain nothing to him about Killmonger.
The only action he actually took was in the end.

Yes, Okoye is the love of Wakanda lol.

Right and Wrong doesn't exist is what I'm trying to get to arrive at. Reasons for things happening is what was at supreme play here.

It didn't come out of nowhere and it was valid. Even though it was "wrong"

 

[silentking]

I just realized something....I haven't taken the time to give a specific shout out to Florence Kasumba's Ayo character. She didn't have no major moments in the movie but god damn that woman does something for me.

 

[silentking]

T'Challa didn't even come to him to tell him that he got away. He had to hunt T'Challa down.
Also T'Challa was too busy to explain anything. He wasn't gonna explain nothing to him about Killmonger.
The only action he actually took was in the end.

Yes, Okoye is the love of Wakanda lol.

Right and Wrong doesn't exist is what I'm trying to get to arrive at. Reasons for things happening is what was at supreme play here.

It didn't come out of nowhere and it was valid. Even though it was "wrong"

You assuming a lot. I can't sit here and say T'Challa wasn't gonna explain nothing if dude had asked him. But again....different views on it just means it was a well used plot point. And I do agree that reasons for things happening is a major overarching concept in the movie.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

You assuming a lot. I can't sit here and say T'Challa wasn't gonna explain nothing if dude had asked him. But again....different views on it just means it was a well used plot point. And I do agree that reasons for things happening is a major overarching concept in the movie.

I mean we can say he wasn't cause he didn't just like he didn't seek out W'Kabi and make it an immediate priority to say he didn't get it done. It's not that huge of a leap but also there was time to explain it between when Killmonger arrived and then it just didn't happen for whatever reason just like it didn't happen with him asking about the entire full story.

My underlying point in viewing of W'Kabi is in not repeating the SAME mistakes T'Chaka made.
W'Kabi is cancelled to a lot of people but that just creates another Killmonger. Understand his viewpoint, hug him and say I forgive you, all he wants again, is to get revenge for his parent's that's done now, and protect Wakanda which he did an incredible job of it nobody has broken in, and also help black people of the world.

 

[silentking]

I mean we can say he wasn't cause he didn't just like he didn't seek out W'Kabi and make it an immediate priority to say he didn't get it done. It's not that huge of a leap but also there was time to explain it between when Killmonger arrived and then it just didn't happen for whatever reason just like it didn't happen with him asking about the entire full story.

My underlying point in viewing of W'Kabi is in not repeating the SAME mistakes T'Chaka made.
W'Kabi is cancelled to a lot of people but that just creates another Killmonger. Understand his viewpoint, hug him and say I forgive you, all he wants again, is to get revenge for his parent's that's done now, and protect Wakanda which he did an incredible job of it nobody has broken in, and also help black people of the world.

Oh I'm not writing him off like he was just a fuckboy....lol. I understood why he turned....but he turned. And I also understood that it was well used plot device....Nakia expressed the same sentiments to T'Challa. Part of his hero journey was reconciling those views with tradition and necessity out in the world.

On a completely separate note though....this heart shaped herb I'm toking on got me thinking....Black Panther 2.....T'Challa goes to the ancestral plane to get advice from Killmonger.

 

[TimRock]

Killmonger even knew that Klaw had killed his fucking parents.

Huh? T'Chaka killed Eric's dad/his brother. We don't know anything about his mom. Apologies if I read that wrong

 

[LSN]

Huh? T'Chaka killed Eric's dad/his brother. We don't know anything about his mom. Apologies if I read that wrong

he’s referring to w’kabi man c’mon

 

[silentking]

Huh? T'Chaka killed Eric's dad/his brother. We don't know anything about his mom. Apologies if I read that wrong

He's talking about Klaw killing W'Kabi's parents, not Killmonger's.

 

[TimRock]

he’s referring to w’kabi man c’mon

He's talking about Klaw killing W'Kabi's parents, not Killmonger's.

Aight my bad

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Oh I'm not writing him off like he was just a fuckboy....lol. I understood why he turned....but he turned. And I also understood that it was well used plot device....Nakia expressed the same sentiments to T'Challa. Part of his hero journey was reconciling those views with tradition and necessity out in the world.

On a completely separate note though....this heart shaped herb I'm toking on got me thinking....Black Panther 2.....T'Challa goes to the ancestral plane to get advice from Killmonger.

Because if we keeping it real one of the MAIN reasons he's even doing this shit is because Nakia was not going to stay in Wakanda otherwise.



I'd love him to get advice from Killmonger. They could show Killmonger's final resting place with African ancestors who chose death over being slaves as well as slaves themselves who died

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Aight my bad

No worries there's a lot of moving parts
One thing I'm just trying to argue different view points to get other people's opinions. I don't want to dominate this I want everybody to be challenging and such lol. I just argued for 2 pages in favor of W'Kabi when personally I feel he was just fucked up for doing what he did but that's not the point of the movie lol.

 

[silentking]

Because if we keeping it real one of the MAIN reasons he's even doing this shit is because Nakia was not going to stay in Wakanda otherwise.



I'd love him to get advice from Killmonger. They could show Killmonger's final resting place with African ancestors who chose death over being slaves as well as slaves themselves who died

lol...maybe. I saw it more as him incorporating the truth he saw in those ideas....but I'm sure keeping Nakia's fine ass around factored in too.

I think the ancestral plane...depending on how close they stay to the comics....allows him to commune with the previous Panthers....so, to me, it would be more impactful to see Killmonger with T'Chaka and his ancestors finding healing and then able to put T'Challa on to how to be a better pure warrior when its time for that. On some Apollo training Rocky shit....

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

lol...maybe. I saw it more as him incorporating the truth he saw in those ideas....but I'm sure keeping Nakia's fine ass around factored in too.

I think the ancestral plane...depending on how close they stay to the comics....allows him to commune with the previous Panthers....so, to me, it would be more impactful to see Killmonger with T'Chaka and his ancestors finding healing and then able to put T'Challa on to how to be a better pure warrior when its time for that.

What if he goes there and Erik is fucking T'Chaka up for what he did to his father though lol

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I was waiting for people to comment on M'Baku and his people further but nobody else seemed to notice but me how they used the snow to keep him alive..
M'Baku's tribe is just as advanced if not more than everywhere else they're just traditionalist

 

[silentking]

lol...maybe. I saw it more as him incorporating the truth he saw in those ideas....but I'm sure keeping Nakia's fine ass around factored in too.

I think the ancestral plane...depending on how close they stay to the comics....allows him to commune with the previous Panthers....so, to me, it would be more impactful to see Killmonger with T'Chaka and his ancestors finding healing and then able to put T'Challa on to how to be a better pure warrior when its time for that.

What if he goes there and Erik is fucking T'Chaka up for what he did to his father though lol

........do that too. But its the afterlife....they outside of time now....they can work it out and be straight to give counsel to T'Challa.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I just realized something....I haven't taken the time to give a specific shout out to Florence Kasumba's Ayo character. She didn't have no major moments in the movie but god damn that woman does something for me.

Ayo had filmed a flirtatious lesbian scene... with Okoyé.
Thank God Ryan Coogler dropped it... during the 'final editing' phase.

‘Black Panther’ Actor Says Her Character’s Queer Flirtation Scene Was Deleted
http://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/black-panther-queer-flirtation-scene-florence-kasumba-1201929683/

“Black Panther” actor Florence Kasumba has confirmed that she filmed a scene in which her character, Ayo — head of security for King T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman) — flirted with a female general (Danai Gurira). “If the makers would have wanted everyone to see the scene, it would have been in the movie,” Kasumba told Vulture, noting that additional scenes also did not make the final product, now in theaters. “What their reason is, I can’t tell you, because nobody told me about whether [that scene is] in or not.”

 

[silentking]

I was waiting for people to comment on M'Baku and his people further but nobody else seemed to notice but me how they used the snow to keep him alive..
M'Baku's tribe is just as advanced if not more than everywhere else they're just traditionalist

you can't sit on the edge of a nation that advanced and not have a raised level of awareness and intelligence. I loved the theme of respect that the M'baku character was used to portray. When he came to challenge, he called Shuri out as a child who lacks respect for tradition. And later on, his whole position towards T'Challa was one of earned respect..like....I saw chinks in your armor, so I came to call you out and make my challenge but you won fair and square, you earned the crown. Then when they came to ride for the nation at the end, it was really on some we still Wakanda and I'll be damned if a nigga that aint ever stepped foot here gone hold the crown before me.

 

[TimRock]

This would be interesting and makes sense. A SHIELD type show based on the new programs they mentioned during the end.
https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-tv-show-nakia-shuri/2/

 

[Autobot8655]

Ayo had filmed a flirtatious lesbian scene... with Okoyé.
Thank God Ryan Coogler dropped it... during the 'final editing' phase.

‘Black Panther’ Actor Says Her Character’s Queer Flirtation Scene Was Deleted
http://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/black-panther-queer-flirtation-scene-florence-kasumba-1201929683/

“Black Panther” actor Florence Kasumba has confirmed that she filmed a scene in which her character, Ayo — head of security for King T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman) — flirted with a female general (Danai Gurira). “If the makers would have wanted everyone to see the scene, it would have been in the movie,” Kasumba told Vulture, noting that additional scenes also did not make the final product, now in theaters. “What their reason is, I can’t tell you, because nobody told me about whether [that scene is] in or not.”

interesting.....but a good ass call

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Ayo had filmed a flirtatious lesbian scene... with Okoyé.
Thank God Ryan Coogler dropped it... during the 'final editing' phase.

‘Black Panther’ Actor Says Her Character’s Queer Flirtation Scene Was Deleted
http://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/black-panther-queer-flirtation-scene-florence-kasumba-1201929683/

“Black Panther” actor Florence Kasumba has confirmed that she filmed a scene in which her character, Ayo — head of security for King T’Challa (Chadwick Boseman) — flirted with a female general (Danai Gurira). “If the makers would have wanted everyone to see the scene, it would have been in the movie,” Kasumba told Vulture, noting that additional scenes also did not make the final product, now in theaters. “What their reason is, I can’t tell you, because nobody told me about whether [that scene is] in or not.”

It means it didn't make sense.
So why put it in.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

........do that too. But its the afterlife....they outside of time now....they can work it out and be straight to give counsel to T'Challa.

It feels like Erik's will fuck around and have a straight up regular ass Jaguar as his representation lmao

 

[darth frosty]

On a completely separate note though....this heart shaped herb I'm toking on got me thinking....Black Panther 2.....T'Challa goes to the ancestral plane to get advice from Killmonger.

Not far from the realms of reality.. . In the comics shuri becomes black panther and T'challa becomes king of the dead.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

you can't sit on the edge of a nation that advanced and not have a raised level of awareness and intelligence. I loved the theme of respect that the M'baku character was used to portray. When he came to challenge, he called Shuri out as a child who lacks respect for tradition. And later on, his whole position towards T'Challa was one of earned respect..like....I saw chinks in your armor, so I came to call you out and make my challenge but you won fair and square, you earned the crown. Then when they came to ride for the nation at the end, it was really on some we still Wakanda and I'll be damned if a nigga that aint ever stepped foot here gone hold the crown before me.

He was all about respect and keeping things SHARP.
They are motherfucking warriors. If anyone wants to read up a general history, not even spoiler just general history on M'Kabu and how trained and intelligent he is you can easily to get a grasp of just how much of a great man he is. That's why I was happy they showed him in this light.
He could have easily taken the herb but it wasn't about that. He did not earn the herb. They could have easily left T'Challa to die, they did not they brought him and nursed him and knew a time would come where they would have him ready for whoever sought him out.
M'Baku is the fucking man
and he lil bro'd W'kabi
Okoye might leave W'Kabi for the lil bro'ing more than the treason. Can't be with a man who got held up by the neck while the next man talks shit.

 

[Gemini]

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[silentking]

A review I saw mentioned that. Seems like there was a part during the scene on the boat where the Dora are dancing going to the challenge day, Okoye was flirting with Ayo and tells her she looks good, Ayo flirts back and says "I know." They dropped it for a few reasons....to not confuse people about the relationship between Okoye and W'kabi and to not distract overall since they weren't really gonna explore that aspect of Ayo's character any deeper in the film, even though her sexuality is an aspect of her character in the comics.

 

[TimRock]

Easter Eggs
White Wolf:
After Shuri’s reference to Bucky arriving in Wakanda at the end of Captain America: Civil War, it should not come as too much of a surprise that the Post-Credits sequence in the film revealed that Bucky is not only still in Wakanda, but that he has been cured of his brainwashing. This is, of course, mostly just set-up for Avengers: Infinity War (where trailers show Bucky fighting alongside the Wakandans against the invading forces of Thanos).

However, the Wakandan children calling Bucky “White Wolf” is a comic book reference to Hunter, a young boy whose parents died in a plane crash in Wakanda. He was adopted by T’Chaka and raised with T’Challa. Hunter became the White Wolf, the head of T’Chaka’s violent secret police. T’Challa disbanded the secret police when he became King, so White Wolf left Wakanda and became a mercenary. However, he remains loyal to his adopted brother.

Namor:
In recent years, one of the most important relationships that Black Panther has had in the comic books has been with his former fellow member of the Illuminati, Namor the Sub-Mariner. The Atlantean king and the Wakandan king were allies for a number of years but their relationship degraded over the years until it finally broke during Avengers vs. X-Men. Namor (then possessed by the Phoenix Force) was outraged at Black Panther for hiding the Avengers in Wakanda, so Namor used his Phoenix powers to flood the nation!

Ever since then, Black Panther vowed revenge and he achieved it during the Avengers storyline, “Time Runs Out.” In it, Black Panther tells Namor the same thing that T’Challa tells Klau in the new film – “Every breath you take is mercy from me.”

 

[TimRock]

A review I saw mentioned that. Seems like there was a part during the scene on the boat where the Dora are dancing going to the challenge day, Okoye was flirting with Ayo and tells her she looks good, Ayo flirts back and says "I know." They dropped it for a few reasons....to not confuse people about the relationship between Okoye and W'kabi and to not distract overall since they weren't really gonna explore that aspect of Ayo's character any deeper in the film, even though her sexuality is an aspect of her character in the comics.

it wasn't needed. Glad they didn't go thru with that. Every movie doesn't need a gay aspect.