Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......
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and marvel's penchant for killing off a decent villain continues
for all the universe building these dude have NO IDEA how to set up a decent NEMESIS
for all the universe building these dude have NO IDEA how to set up a decent NEMESIS
I’d swap loki w/ buckey/winter soldier...def agree w/ 1 & 2
Exactly
Killmonger is 1.
But are they gonna have them fight the same villain several times?and marvel's penchant for killing off a decent villain continues
for all the universe building these dude have NO IDEA how to set up a decent NEMESIS
And we still got Baron Mordo possibly on the way.
Not every movie but if you set up the story good enough sure they can come back again....later.
and marvel's penchant for killing off a decent villain continues
for all the universe building these dude have NO IDEA how to set up a decent NEMESIS
I think Marvel/Black Panther villain end game is, Atlantis vs Wakanda...
True. But we are about to go get Thanos for 2 movies. And with the addition of FF and X-Men, we'll get even more villains. Like I said a couple of pages back BP2 should have either Namor or Doom.
Buckey, Steve Rogers/Captain America's best friend who he was in the military with was "White Jesus." Don't want to give the whole story away but Shuri helps him out...hence he a broken white boy she saves lol
thats all fine but killmonger represented a REAL allegory for black americans. the rage, the twisted view of life and lost heritage...that should have been expanded on and ultimately resolved a better way then just him dying.
like the line from Tool's "Schism"
Cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion..between supposed lovers....between supposed brothers..
thats the relationship between T'Challa and Erik..between West Africans and Black Americans.
they have so many options...that’d be dope tho
and BP did mention he was opening a science museum. There you go.Yeah return the favor since he was originally introduced in FF...
They dont have the rights to Namor.
I think Marvel/Black Panther villain end game is, Atlantis vs Wakanda...
Question Club: The best and worst parts of Black Panther
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/19/17021872/black-panther-marvel-ryan-coogler-wakanda
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE SCALE OF THIS STORY?
Chaim: Not only did the smaller scale work for me, I think Black Panther (and hopefully, other movies like it) represents the only viable way forward for Marvel. You can only go so much bigger, and the dangerously-close-to-overstuffed Avengers: Infinity War, which will feature practically every person who has ever been in one of these films, is more or less it. Bringing the lens in closer and just telling T’Challa’s story, as opposed to the more expanded “the entire fate of the world / galaxy / universe is at stake!” felt right to me.
Tasha: I agree that the lens needs to refocus down to the individual hero level for these stories to continue, and examining the hero of a completely isolated country is a particularly smart way to start. The one place that aspect didn’t really work for me was in the climax, where I just didn’t properly feel the threat coming off this handful of ships flying out of Wakanda, and getting shot down video-game-style by fancied-up drone pilot Martin Freeman. The film worked better for me when it was about the personal stakes of T’Challa’s family and friends not wanting to be ruled by this hostile stranger. The threat to the world felt comparatively abstract. I’m not sure why Marvel still thinks it needs this “threat to the entire world” aspect to give a movie stakes. Black Panther already has plenty of personal stakes before the ships go up.
Chaim: Right, “Oh by the way, if you don’t shoot down these three ships, the world will end” did feel tacked-on, and the threat of the Wakandan War Dogs destabilizing world governments was never tangible enough to be concerning.
Bryan: The ships did feel shoehorned in as if the studio thought they needed to satisfy a certain contingent of Marvel fans with the traditional approach. But that was a small price to pay for a film that didn’t have some mysterious alien creature yet again destroying some planet / world / universe yet again, until our costumed heroes could stop them yet again. (Now that I write that, I’m realizing just how tired I’ve become of the established Marvel movie formula.)
Black Panther worked not just because it was different in scale, but because the stakes were so incredibly personal, with so much modern thematic resonance. Michael B. Jordan’s villain, Erik Killmonger, carries the fury and outrage of slavery. T’Challa struggles with the realization that his own father raised him with lofty ideals, then betrayed them. It’s incredibly easy to relate to the anger and confusion of both characters, and for that reason alone, I was more invested than I’d been in a Marvel film in years. I’ll be a lot happier as a moviegoer if future entries in the franchise learn the lessons Black Panther teaches.
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For me the whole "stop the weapons from getting out" wasn't about the world ending..it was about how short sighted killmongers plan really was. For all of his 'I studied the enemy" talk dude completely underestimates just how fiendish, vicious and warlike cacs really are followed closely by chinks and japs. And they have a 500 year head start in that shit. And even tho only wakandan vibranium can be used to make those weapons...his shipping them abroad effectively makes wakanda a terrorist state and the whole world would have moved in on that shit. It would have been used as excuse for europe, america and asia (with the help of most of africa) to carve up that country and divide its resources among themselves....again there was a reason why they hid the fucking country. Considering erik didn't have 100 percent cooperation from assets abroad was proof the plan would be doomed to fail.
Rather than wakanda taking over the world...their very existence was at stake by that move. That really wasn't properly addressed in the story.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/19/17021872/black-panther-marvel-ryan-coogler-wakanda
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE SCALE OF THIS STORY?
Chaim: Not only did the smaller scale work for me, I think Black Panther (and hopefully, other movies like it) represents the only viable way forward for Marvel. You can only go so much bigger, and the dangerously-close-to-overstuffed Avengers: Infinity War, which will feature practically every person who has ever been in one of these films, is more or less it. Bringing the lens in closer and just telling T’Challa’s story, as opposed to the more expanded “the entire fate of the world / galaxy / universe is at stake!” felt right to me.
Tasha: I agree that the lens needs to refocus down to the individual hero level for these stories to continue, and examining the hero of a completely isolated country is a particularly smart way to start. The one place that aspect didn’t really work for me was in the climax, where I just didn’t properly feel the threat coming off this handful of ships flying out of Wakanda, and getting shot down video-game-style by fancied-up drone pilot Martin Freeman. The film worked better for me when it was about the personal stakes of T’Challa’s family and friends not wanting to be ruled by this hostile stranger. The threat to the world felt comparatively abstract. I’m not sure why Marvel still thinks it needs this “threat to the entire world” aspect to give a movie stakes. Black Panther already has plenty of personal stakes before the ships go up.
Chaim: Right, “Oh by the way, if you don’t shoot down these three ships, the world will end” did feel tacked-on, and the threat of the Wakandan War Dogs destabilizing world governments was never tangible enough to be concerning.
Bryan: The ships did feel shoehorned in as if the studio thought they needed to satisfy a certain contingent of Marvel fans with the traditional approach. But that was a small price to pay for a film that didn’t have some mysterious alien creature yet again destroying some planet / world / universe yet again, until our costumed heroes could stop them yet again. (Now that I write that, I’m realizing just how tired I’ve become of the established Marvel movie formula.)
Black Panther worked not just because it was different in scale, but because the stakes were so incredibly personal, with so much modern thematic resonance. Michael B. Jordan’s villain, Erik Killmonger, carries the fury and outrage of slavery. T’Challa struggles with the realization that his own father raised him with lofty ideals, then betrayed them. It’s incredibly easy to relate to the anger and confusion of both characters, and for that reason alone, I was more invested than I’d been in a Marvel film in years. I’ll be a lot happier as a moviegoer if future entries in the franchise learn the lessons Black Panther teaches.
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For me the whole "stop the weapons from getting out" wasn't about the world ending..it was about how short sighted killmongers plan really was. For all of his 'I studied the enemy" talk dude completely underestimates just how fiendish, vicious and warlike cacs really are followed closely by chinks and japs. And they have a 500 year head start in that shit. And even tho only wakandan vibranium can be used to make those weapons...his shipping them abroad effectively makes wakanda a terrorist state and the whole world would have moved in on that shit. It would have been used as excuse for europe, america and asia (with the help of most of africa) to carve up that country and divide its resources among themselves....again there was a reason why they hid the fucking country. Considering erik didn't have 100 percent cooperation from assets abroad was proof the plan would be doomed to fail.
Rather than wakanda taking over the world...their very existence was at stake by that move. That really wasn't properly addressed in the story.
its funny people keep saying thanos is in both movies. the russo brothers killed the title of infinity wars pt 2 because they said infinity wars is one film. there's no pt 2 . thye're holding on the second title because it will give away the story but the name.
Avengers 4 is the second part to Infinity War, I thought.
so, russo bro stated what i wrote. kevin fiege said these 2 avengers movies will have what no other superhero movies never had. a finality. but not in the way you would think. i'm wondering since captain marvel is fighting the skrolls if secret invasion something they will be doing. but fuck around and they make infinty wars more so thanos infinity quest.
There will be no Infinity War part 2 anymore......they announced this after they got the rights to the rest of their shit back...
They will probably update the Avengers roster for the next phase.
It was extremely short sighted. I think he was on some we take it to them and win or take out as many as we can. Hence him destroying the heart shaped herb. He could care less about the future just the present. Very Joker-like.
Villains in the MCU
1. Loki
2. Killmonger
3. Vulture
4. Hela (I'm going in Raw)
On a side note, beings like Dormomu and Surtur are 1 dimensional but they nailed the look of them. No fucking Galactus Cloud shit.
Can't put Bucky on it, but he was the shit in Winter Soldier which I feel is a slightly better "movie" than BP only cause of the action sequences made it more fun. But the BP to me will have longer legs and will be watched by your grandkids.
BP acting and character >>>>> CATWS
Fighting and action CATWS >>>> BP
1. Loki
2. Killmonger
3. Vulture
4. Hela (I'm going in Raw)
On a side note, beings like Dormomu and Surtur are 1 dimensional but they nailed the look of them. No fucking Galactus Cloud shit.
Can't put Bucky on it, but he was the shit in Winter Soldier which I feel is a slightly better "movie" than BP only cause of the action sequences made it more fun. But the BP to me will have longer legs and will be watched by your grandkids.
BP acting and character >>>>> CATWS
Fighting and action CATWS >>>> BP
Unless Marvel does it, they will fuck Sinister up. They have already ruined Apocalypse, The Sentinals and the Dark Phoenix.
I seriously need to rewatch this flick...I watched the trailer yesterday to refresh my memory and the only thing I remember is the elevator scene and them destroying that huge ass ship @ the end
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My family and I just came back from seeing it. Great movie. Also from Anderson SC.
and marvel's penchant for killing off a decent villain continues
for all the universe building these dude have NO IDEA how to set up a decent NEMESIS
You cannot let Killmonger live.
Nope.
And he died such a noble death essentially by his own hand. And that speech. He didn't BLAME T'Challa for all this...that what was so damn powerful
It was the colonizers.
And if he returns "alive"?
IT cheapens it
You can't invoke the Middle Passage and do some comic book resurrection.
No f*cking way.
Cosign with everything 100%
Winter Solider was slightly better but BP is more impactful for me.
However DC still have the best comic book movie with Batman Begins and Dark Knight.
I am a marvel fan but Chris Nolan killed it.
Winter Solider was slightly better but BP is more impactful for me.
However DC still have the best comic book movie with Batman Begins and Dark Knight.
I am a marvel fan but Chris Nolan killed it.
At first it was infinity war part 1 and 2 but the Russos said that the wanted them to be 2 different films. The first film is what they are calling a heist film.The speculation is that the 2nd film will be called Infinity Gauntlet which will be the climax to all they built. Thanos is still the Villain in both films, and I'm pretty sure in Infinity War he will dust all the Avengers.