Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......

[silentking]

Currently in my second viewing of BP and I’m certain that the boy talking to his father at the beginning is Killmonger and his father.

I didn’t catch that til the 3rd viewing. I just got out of the theater again lol. A few other things I missed the first couple times..the first scene with Nakia where she stops BP from attacking the one soldier saying he’s just a boy, he was kidnapped...later in that scene as Nakia is saying peace to the women she was on the truck with, they say they will take the boy and make sure he has a home. Just a small of foreshadowing I missed before. Also, at the end when Killmonger dies, T’Challa folds his arms in the X...Wakanda Forever.

 

[2Klub]

Good catch. When they are giving the history of wakanda right?

Yep! After seeing this movie for a second time, for the moment, I'm seeing this film being more about Killmonger but the majority perspective is through T'Challa's eyes. It was almost like you could think of T'Challa's coronation and love story were vehicles used to bring in the themes Killmonger was about and the history and culture of Wakanda.

 

[exiledking]

Other African rulers took a stand. For instance, in the early 17th century Nzinga Mbandi (c. 1583–1663), queen of Ndongo (modern-day Angola), fought against the Portuguese – part of a century-long campaign of resistance waged by the kingdom against the slave trade. Anti-slavery motives can also be found in the activities of the Christian leader Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita (1684–1706) in Kongo.

Several major African states took measures to limit and suppress the slave trade, including the kingdoms of Benin and Dahomey. Agaja Trudo, the king of Dahomey (r. 1708–40), banned the slave trade and even went as far as attacking the European forts on the coast. Unfortunately, Agaja Trudo’s successor did not share his view and profited from engaging in the trade.

Several Muslim states in West Africa, including Futa Toro in the Senegal River basin in the late 18th century and, in the early 19th, Futa Jallon in what is now Guinea, were opposed to the trafficking of humans. In Futa Jallon, the religious leader Abd al-Qadir wrote a letter to British slave traders threatening death to anyone who tried to procure slaves in his country.

http://www.understandingslavery.com...nd-rebellion&catid=125_themes&Itemid=222.html

theres a story in there somewhere....

None of those places took measures to SUPRESS the slave trade but i was just talking about the Dora Milajae being specific to Dahomey and being the slave trading empire that it was. There can be debates about other places but Dahomey by no means. They were slave traders.

 

[shamone]

I didn’t catch that til the 3rd viewing. I just got out of the theater again lol. A few other things I missed the first couple times..the first scene with Nakia where she stops BP from attacking the one soldier saying he’s just a boy, he was kidnapped...later in that scene as Nakia is saying peace to the women she was on the truck with, they say they will take the boy and make sure he has a home. Just a small of foreshadowing I missed before. Also, at the end when Killmonger dies, T’Challa folds his arms in the X...Wakanda Forever.

that was killmonger talking with his father in the beginning of the film.

 

[exiledking]

Other African rulers took a stand. For instance, in the early 17th century Nzinga Mbandi (c. 1583–1663), queen of Ndongo (modern-day Angola), fought against the Portuguese – part of a century-long campaign of resistance waged by the kingdom against the slave trade. Anti-slavery motives can also be found in the activities of the Christian leader Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita (1684–1706) in Kongo.

Several major African states took measures to limit and suppress the slave trade, including the kingdoms of Benin and Dahomey. Agaja Trudo, the king of Dahomey (r. 1708–40), banned the slave trade and even went as far as attacking the European forts on the coast. Unfortunately, Agaja Trudo’s successor did not share his view and profited from engaging in the trade.

Several Muslim states in West Africa, including Futa Toro in the Senegal River basin in the late 18th century and, in the early 19th, Futa Jallon in what is now Guinea, were opposed to the trafficking of humans. In Futa Jallon, the religious leader Abd al-Qadir wrote a letter to British slave traders threatening death to anyone who tried to procure slaves in his country.

http://www.understandingslavery.com...nd-rebellion&catid=125_themes&Itemid=222.html

theres a story in there somewhere....

Btw Nzinga only wrote about people nabbing slaves from HIS kingdom, because he was selling slaves from surrounding kingdoms and the Portuguese started arming his enemies the same way they did him. You'd have to read the actual letter he wrote to the Portuguese to see.

 

[silentking]

that was killmonger talking with his father in the beginning of the film.

I know...I quoted to say I didn’t realize that was them having that dialogue til the 3rd time I saw it.

 

[geechiedan]

You cannot let Killmonger live.

Nope.

And he died such a noble death essentially by his own hand. And that speech. He didn't BLAME T'Challa for all this...that what was so damn powerful

It was the colonizers.

And if he returns "alive"?

IT cheapens it

You can't invoke the Middle Passage and do some comic book resurrection.

No f*cking way.

I wasn't talking about a comic book resurrection..Killmonger could have escaped after getting his ass whipped.. IMO I think they left quite bit on the table in terms of dealing with the african/black american issue.

 

[shamone]

Btw Nzinga only wrote about people nabbing slaves from HIS kingdom, because he was selling slaves from surrounding kingdoms and the Portuguese started arming his enemies the same way they did him. You'd have to read the actual letter he wrote to the Portuguese to see.

nzinga's brother was selling slaves to the portuguese. nzinga fought against them and had beef with her brother for murdering her son.

 

[2Klub]

I didn’t catch that til the 3rd viewing. I just got out of the theater again lol. A few other things I missed the first couple times..the first scene with Nakia where she stops BP from attacking the one soldier saying he’s just a boy, he was kidnapped...later in that scene as Nakia is saying peace to the women she was on the truck with, they say they will take the boy and make sure he has a home. Just a small of foreshadowing I missed before. Also, at the end when Killmonger dies, T’Challa folds his arms in the X...Wakanda Forever.

Didn't catch the foreshadowing but that makes perfect sense to me. I did notice all other aspects. My boy sent me a clip about 20 hidden meanings in the movie and in the clip, the speaker suggested that maybe T'Challa will keep Killmonger in some sort of stasis OR since Killmonger was a panther that ingested the herb, T'Challa can call forward Bast to speak with Killmonger since they are now always connected through their blood and the Panther god.

 

[exiledking]

nzinga's brother was selling slaves to the portuguese. nzinga fought against them and had beef with her brother for murdering her son.

My bad , there are so many Kongo kings I got em confused. Afonso was the ruler of Kongo.nzinga is the title. He sold slaves from surrounding areas. He's the one who wrote to the Portuguese to stop having traders from the other areas come thru his kingdom. They didn't. Eventually the kingdom broke up and Ndongo was the area Nzinga, the woman ruled (kind of. Alongside her brother , and eventually took over Matamura) but when she wasn't fighting slavery. You used the name to describe two different people from two different time periods. She was fighting colonialism. The people's she partnered with to fight the Portuguese were major traders but they were what she needed to fight the Portuguese, along with the dutch. But my point is, no she wasnt fighting the trade.

 

[TENT]

I wished one of the Panthers at the beginning was BAST.
I was really hoping for a Panther to start talking.

 

[Tha Great Muta]

At first it was infinity war part 1 and 2 but the Russos said that the wanted them to be 2 different films. The first film is what they are calling a heist film.The speculation is that the 2nd film will be called Infinity Gauntlet which will be the climax to all they built. Thanos is still the Villain in both films, and I'm pretty sure in Infinity War he will dust all the Avengers.

That's too predictable at this point , hell the Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four, X-Men or Deadpool popping up would be a bigger impact

 

[Mask]

Fellows what movies should I view to come up to date and what order?

 

[babydaddy]

With Mr. Sinister as the villain.

They can also introduce FF in the next BP movie. No origins needed. Just do the same thing they did with Spider-Man in Civil War.

what is funny, micheal b jordan played johnny storm and went on to became a better marvel character, the same with the previous johnny storm, he is capt america now lol. its something about that johnny storm role.

 

[Gemini]

 

[grownazzblakman]

Fellows what movies should I view to come up to date and what order?

Assist.

This is the 'chronological list', if you want to watch all the Marvel movies in the order they are meant be viewed to maintain 'continuity'...

Phase One
Captain America 1: The First Avenger
Iron Man 1
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor 1
Avengers 1

Phase Two
Iron Man 3
Thor 2: The Dark World
Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy 1
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Avengers 2: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man

Phase Three
Captain America 3: Civil War
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor 3: Ragnarok
Black Panther

This is just the list of movies.

The link below also includes all the Marvel TV Shows on Netflix & Network TV:

Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline: How to watch every MCU film and TV show in chronological order
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-netflix-avengers-black-panther-a8210821.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-netflix-avengers-black-panther-a8210821.html

 

[silentking]

Assist.

This is the 'chronological list', if you want to watch all the Marvel movies in the order they are meant be viewed to maintain 'continuity'...

Phase One
Captain America 1: The First Avenger
Iron Man 1
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor 1
Avengers 1

Phase Two
Iron Man 3
Thor 2: The Dark World
Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy 1
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Avengers 2: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man

Phase Three
Captain America 3: Civil War
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Thor 3: Ragnarok
Black Panther

This is just the list of movies.

The link below also includes all the Marvel TV Shows on Netflix & Network TV:

Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline: How to watch every MCU film and TV show in chronological order
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-netflix-avengers-black-panther-a8210821.html

Homecoming starts with the events of Civil War...but most of the movie takes place a while later. BP is a week after Civil War.

 

[meilmarc]

That's too predictable at this point , hell the Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four, X-Men or Deadpool popping up would be a bigger impact

Avengers 4 is pretty much done filming, they don't have time to put any of the fox characters in plus that deal will take a while to clear, They been teasing thanos since Avengers 1 so I'm pretty confident that the Russos are going to make Thanos formidable to be the villain of 2 full films, its been known that Thanos would be the big bad for both and end the first reign of the MCU

 

[grownazzblakman]

Homecoming starts with the events of Civil War...but most of the movie takes place a while later. BP is a week after Civil War.

I didn't make the list. The link explains why the list is put in the order that it is.
For example: Guardians 2 is a Phase 3 movie, but it is listed in Phase 2. And they explain why.

(I think some of the 'post credit scenes' which setup other movies might also play a part in the order. )

 

[silentking]

Avengers 4 is pretty much done filming, they don't have time to put any of the fox characters in plus that deal will takes a while to clear, They been teasing thanos since Avengers 1 so I'm pretty confident that the Russos are going to make Thanos formidable to be the villain of 2 full films, its been known that Thanos would be the big bad for both and end the first reign of the MCU

Iron Man definitely gonna die. Downey is too expensive now and they've proven they can make hits without him. His death will be the Agent Coulson moment for the newer heroes.

 

[silentking]

I didn't make the list. The link explains why the list is put in the order that it is.
For example: Guardians 2 is a Phase 3 movie, but it is listed in Phase 2. And they explain why.

I feel you. As far as chronology, between Civil War, Homecoming and BP you could argue watching them in a few different orders because Homecoming covers a pretty wide range of time. Good list/link though.

 

[geechiedan]

How much yall wanna bet they used purple koolaid for the black panther potion

200 million dollar movie and we STILL can't get away from purple drank

 

[silentking]

How much yall wanna bet they used purple koolaid for the black panther potion

200 million dollar movie and we STILL can't get away from purple drank

I was thinking the exact same thing watching it earlier today. They redefined purple drank for the culture.

 

[geechiedan]

I was thinking the exact same thing watching it earlier today. They redefined purple drank for the culture.

 

[geechiedan]

LIST REASONS WHY WAKANDA EXPOSING ITSELF IN THE END WAS A HUGE MISTAKE:

unless they have trademark/copyright/patents for all their inventions they can expect china to bootleg the shit out of their released tech.

 

[BGLR1212000]

Bruh this shit sold out at 10 o clock on a Monday night.

 

[ViCiouS]

LIST REASONS WHY WAKANDA EXPOSING ITSELF IN THE END WAS A HUGE MISTAKE:

unless they have trademark/copyright/patents for all their inventions they can expect china to bootleg the shit out of their released tech.

how?
they control the global supply of vibranium,
they can't be invaded,
and if they (Wakanda) so chose they will hold a global monopoly on violence

 

[playahaitian]

I wasn't talking about a comic book resurrection..Killmonger could have escaped after getting his ass whipped.. IMO I think they left quite bit on the table in terms of dealing with the african/black american issue.

I understand he was a dope villian

We all wanted more

But he did his job. The role and the performance was iconic.

Fam entertainment rule #1

Never overstay your welcome.

And why does THIS Movie HAVE To literally be and include everything?

We just getting started.

And let's not put all this pressure on one damn movie

That aint fair

Before this was a so called black movie?

Why not celebrate that first and foremost

it was good

Cause without THAT?

All that other stuff doesn't exist.

And its not just marvel

let's have an animated movie Sci fi dc movie covering those issues

Where my Haitian revolution movie at?!?

It is important that we just celebrate THIS great accomplishment

At least for a little while

Please.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I know this movie had two cacs in it....but props on the casting. Andy Serkis is a beast of a actor.

 

[BlackGoku]

I understand he was a dope villian

We all wanted more

But he did his job. The role and the performance was iconic.

Fam entertainment rule #1

Never overstay your welcome.

And why does THIS Movie HAVE To literally be and include everything?

We just getting started.

And let's not put all this pressure on one damn movie

That aint fair

Before this was a so called black movie?

Why not celebrate that first and foremost

it was good

Cause without THAT?

All that other stuff doesn't exist.

And its not just marvel

let's have an animated movie Sci fi dc movie covering those issues

Where my Haitian revolution movie at?!?

It is important that we just celebrate THIS great accomplishment

At least for a little while

Please.

I do think that there was a way for Kilmonger and T'Challa to coexist, but you would have to be worried about this sort of thing popping up again...truth be told, T'Challa could have put him in charge of outreach for military strategy or something..

 

[shaddyvillethug]

you aint got to explain yourself to that mafugga.

we all saw what happened.

say mayne...what was up with that snow? cause i never heard of medicinal snow.

You talking about the snow with ‘Vibrbriaum’ infused in it from 1000’s of years

 

[dtownsfinest]

Hold on......y'all telling me y'all don't think Killmongee gonna come back? The most likeable character from the biggest film this year?

 

[playahaitian]

I do think that there was a way for Kilmonger and T'Challa to coexist, but you would have to be worried about this sort of thing popping up again...truth be told, T'Challa could have put him in charge of outreach for military strategy or something..

In the 2 hours with that man...

What would ever make you believe that killmonger would ever take orders from ANYONE again?

He died fulfilling his mission

Not in the way he wanted which was wrong in execution but noble in spirit

But he made T'Calla a BETTER king

who is trying to impliment much of what Erik dreamed of.

There is a strength in that.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

earlier you said you wouldnt live where you werent wanted.

but didnt your moms kick you out her house twice but you still livin there?

So I have to top rope you bruh?

 

[geechiedan]

how?
they control the global supply of vibranium,
they can't be invaded,
and if they (Wakanda) so chose they will hold a global monopoly on violence

they couldn't be invaded because they cloaked the country...in order to be included in the UN theyd have to show their true selves..

the whole monopoly on violence thing hinges on major support and alliance with others...other african countries would be jealous and angry they didn't share their tech in the first place..(come to think of it Tchalla holds a conference at the UN rather than a pan african alliance group..hmmm?) You wanna know how europe colonized africa? In fighting and siding with them over their own.
As far as vibranium is concerned all of their tech is reliant on it and once even a fraction of that knowledge is out the world will demand they share it on a larger scale.