Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......

rNubb

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He wasnt just referencing it he was invoking it

it was MEANINGFUL to him and his entire mission

this was IMPORTANT to him

he was a SOLIDER.

And he wasn't HAPPY he killed all these innocent people.

but after all the trauma trials pain blood suffering he experienced witnessed and inflicted.

He was saying my MEMORY will never be forgotten.

My actions right or wrong had purpose and WILL resonate.

even in death maybe even MORE SO.

Damn..

Black man SAYS he wants to die we cantt LISTEN to him???

So even in DEATH

A Black person has no OWNERSHIP of their body and their FATE?

Bruh, you are reading a lot of you into that scene. They barely spoke to each other.

Erik was glad to see the sun over the landscape.
Erik had no desire to live in bondage.
I will even make the stretch that his statement including jumping from the ship foreshadowed escaping.

Erik wasn't repenting. He didn't believe he did anything wrong. Who said he killed innocent people?

I've seen the movie twice. Did not see your exposition.

His position was simple - freedom or death.
 

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don't get me started fam...:lol:

she been watching Popular Mechanics for Kids on some I am Shuri stuff

I was gonna buy the set but her librarian gonna order for her!

I still want to get the dvd set though.

Real Talk...I don't even WANT my girls to talk about this movie with common folk...

cause the sneak hate is crazy REAL

Black and white folk trying to kill these kids high.

Wakanda isn't a real place

there is no such thing as vibranium

you can't REALLY do all that stufff


TRANSLATION?

Black people aren't smart and don't have a history of intelligence.

So I don't even allow that talk with outsiders

They just say I liked the movie that's it that's all.

T'Chaka might have had a point.



Man I'm so gad you mention that Popular Mechanics for Kids. Two weeks ago on my ride I Texas I sto at Wally World just killing time, I noticed on a clearance rack it had this lil build a robot set for cheap. I got it for the lil mama. We haven't opened the box yet but I'll definitely let her put them things together this weekend.

I'm say to her this how Shuri got started. She made small projects for her dolls then one days her father asked her to make some gadgets.
 

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ya'll need to stop looking for white daddys pat on the head....they broke records and kids of all races went to see it..I saw asian and latino families in my theater. thats worth more than any oscar nom.
Thank you. Fuck the Oscars,Grammys, Golden Globes etc
 

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that man is being thrust into an IMMENSE spotlight INCREDIBLE pressure and responsibility and he working on like no sleep

That brother had the parents of terminal children telling him their kids REFUSED to die before they saw him in this movie.

He said himself that he skipped the civil war promo tour cuz he not used to all that publicity and fan fare....he showed up to the doctor strange premiere he stayed low key to prepare himself.... this is by far the most publicity he ever seen in his career.
 

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Bruh, you are reading a lot of you into that scene. They barely spoke to each other.

Erik was glad to see the sun over the landscape.
Erik had no desire to live in bondage.
I will even make the stretch that his statement including jumping from the ship foreshadowed escaping.

Erik wasn't repenting. He didn't believe he did anything wrong. Who said he killed innocent people?

I've seen the movie twice. Did not see your exposition.

His position was simple - freedom or death.

We can read a lot into EVERYTHINg

That is my interpretation of the scene....

yours is valid so is mine

We pulling not only from what is on the screen but personal knowledge and experience.

All opinion.

where did I write he was sorry or repenting?

but hold on

you saw the movie TWICE and you saying he didn't kill innocent people?
 

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my brother....

for life
 

ViCiouS

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my brother....

for life
thinking about this movie some more...

another thing I really love is the teamwork between Shuri, Okoye, & T'Challa in Busan (Nakia was the +1)
It was written in a way that shows it is not the first time they've worked together in that type of operation

for an isolated nation - they seem to have a significant history of covert operations in foreign countries
 

playahaitian

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thinking about this movie some more...

another thing I really love is the teamwork between Shuri, Okoye, & T'Challa in Busan (Nakia was the +1)
It was written in a way that shows it is not the first time they've worked together in that type of operation

for an isolated nation - they seem to have a significant history of covert operations in foreign countries

Reading Coogler inerviews

He wanted to do SO MUCH

but he started off trying to make T'Challa James Bond

and it seems the second movie will have that too

I would LOVE a Mission Impossible / Ocean's 11 vibe for the sequel
 

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you saw the movie TWICE and you saying he didn't kill innocent people?
interesting....

white museum lady - colonizer and culture thief / poacher - poachers are usually sentenced to death in monarchies
guards - ways to a mean, necessary kills
employees at CIA black site - enemy combatants, they accepted their jobs and associated risks
Klaw's henchman- not innocent
Erik's girl - no angel
Klaw - not innocent
Zuri - revenge for his father
Dora Milaje soldier - she accepted her job and associated risks
 

playahaitian

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interesting....

white museum lady - colonizer and culture thief / poacher - poachers are usually sentenced to death in monarchies
guards - ways to a mean, necessary kills
employees at CIA black site - enemy combatants, they accepted their jobs and associated risks
Klaw's henchman- not innocent
Erik's girl - no angel
Klaw - not innocent
Zuri - revenge for his father
Dora Milaje soldier - she accepted her job and associated risks

you KNOW...that is a VERY f*cking fair point.

you could interpret it that way...

let me marinate on that.

Cause it was the Dora death that I think sealed it

and his plans to kill EVERYONE...man women children...

and all those scars on his body could NOT be all innocent.
 

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you KNOW...that is a VERY f*cking fair point.

you could interpret it that way...

let me marinate on that.

Cause it was the Dora death that I think sealed it

and his plans to kill EVERYONE...man women children...

and all those scars on his body could NOT be all innocent.
military deployment and collateral damage... he was spec ops / black ops - so a lot of spy shit and wet work

it takes dead bodies secrets and manipulation to build / recruit a network and to get to the right contacts that put him on / vouch for him with Klaw
 

playahaitian

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military deployment and collateral damage... he was spec ops / black ops - so a lot of spy shit and wet work

it takes dead bodies secrets and manipulation to build / recruit a network and to get to the right contacts that put him on / vouch for him with Klaw

damn it...

OK how is this?

do you think he CONSCIOUSLY made that distinction?

He clearly stated he would start to exterminate with extreme prejudice with his power.

Do you think he CARED about innocence?

And what did HE define as innocent?
 

ViCiouS

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damn it...

OK how is this?

do you think he CONSCIOUSLY made that distinction?

He clearly stated he would start to exterminate with extreme prejudice with his power.

Do you think he CARED about innocence?

And what did HE define as innocent?
I don't think he sees the world like that... there is no innocence, no good and evil
just competing agendas...
from a military perspective he had a series of objectives that needed to be accomplished to get to his goal
For each objective he anticipated for certain losses and unintended fallout
My guess is if the rescue of Klaw escalated out of control or if Erik was injured etc... he was ready to go underground or in hiding for months / years
He killed his girl so easily because he already accepted it was very likely she would die when he betrayed Klaw
 

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T'Chaka might have had a point.

Thats why it annoyed me to see them let that white dude walk around comfortable in the movie..and it wasn't even some regular white guy like a doctor or something this dude was a govt spook...his job was to TRAIN people like killmonger to destabilize countries like wakanda..

that shit was naive at best in the story
 

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Erik didn't demand anyone to be arrested, to be removed from their post or to be killed when he took the throne. He is not some blood thirsty killer. Erik didn't even demand that Tchalla be killed when BP reappeared until Tchalla declared the contest was not over.

Black people - we are - too quick to view Erik as the ultimate evil.

Of course he wouldn't be at the UN promising tech to the world.

Erik wanted to give power to his people via the highly trained Wakandan War Dogs.
 

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Erik didn't demand anyone to be arrested, to be removed from their post or to be killed when he took the throne. He is not some blood thirsty killer. Erik didn't even demand that Tchalla be killed when BP reappeared until Tchalla declared the contest was not over.

Black people - we are - too quick to view Erik as the ultimate evil.

Of course he wouldn't be at the UN promising tech to the world.

Erik wanted to give power to his people via the highly trained Wakandan War Dogs.
Erik wanted to be emperor of the world. he had no regard for anyone, he killed his gf and one of the Dora Milaje cause it was convenient.

T'Challa's family had to run cause he was going to kill them next.

that dude was lost to his sense of revenge, and would have destroyed the world.
 

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Erik didn't demand anyone to be arrested, to be removed from their post or to be killed when he took the throne. He is not some blood thirsty killer. Erik didn't even demand that Tchalla be killed when BP reappeared until Tchalla declared the contest was not over.

Black people - we are - too quick to view Erik as the ultimate evil.

Of course he wouldn't be at the UN promising tech to the world.

Erik wanted to give power to his people via the highly trained Wakandan War Dogs.
erik didn't commit a crime at all while in wakanda.. he had a right to challenge for the throne and considering they ALL thought t'challa was dead he had a right to run that country as he saw fit..even the royal guards understood that.

The fact that he thought he would be jailed is not quite right and the fact that t'challa didn't correct him in that is HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE.
 

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the fact that t'challa didn't correct him in that is HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE.
why do you keep repeating this?
what part of "the challenge only ends in death or surrender" are you having problem with?

as long as T'Challa lived and didn't surrender Erik had no right to rule (neither did T'Challa)

Erik lost the fight - he had to die or surrender... Surrender also meant swearing fealty to T'Challa
 

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erik didn't commit a crime at all while in wakanda.. he had a right to challenge for the throne and considering they ALL thought t'challa was dead he had a right to run that country as he saw fit..even the royal guards understood that.

The fact that he thought he would be jailed is not quite right and the fact that t'challa didn't correct him in that is HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE.

Bruh. He didn't say jail. He said bondage. He wasn't going to be able to move about Wakanda freely as a man committed to insurrection. He wasn't going to fall in line.

Freedom or death.
 

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why do you keep repeating this?
what part of "the challenge only ends in death or surrender" are you having problem with?

as long as T'Challa lived and didn't surrender Erik had no right to rule (neither did T'Challa)

Erik lost the fight - he had to die or surrender... Surrender also meant swearing fealty to T'Challa
or he could have help him live anyway and be given the choice of fealty or leave wakanda The mountain tribe did this before ..remember t'challa had to ASK for his help rather than ordering him and he refused to his face. In his last words erik chose to be black rather than wakandan..that being the case if given the choice of loyalty to wakanda or leave wakanda killmonger would choose to leave...the grudge not resolved and its also a nice way for the character to come back later.
 

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Bruh. He didn't say jail. He said bondage. He wasn't going to be able to move about Wakanda freely as a man committed to insurrection. He wasn't going to fall in line.

Freedom or death.
I dunno why not the white man moved around freely:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
 

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Erik wanted to be emperor of the world. he had no regard for anyone, he killed his gf and one of the Dora Milaje cause it was convenient.

T'Challa's family had to run cause he was going to kill them next.

that dude was lost to his sense of revenge, and would have destroyed the world.

The Fam ran but there is no evidence they were being chased.

Assumption. Erik didn't harm anyone in the Royal Chambers. You didn't hear him put the hit out on the mama or sister.

He won the contest and declared himself king. His first act was to send the weapons to the War Dogs.

That chick that he kissed was between him and the dude who was trying to escape - Klaw. She got caught up.

The Milaje guards attacked him and that one chick got caught up.
 

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The Fam ran but there is no evidence they were being chased.

Assumption. Erik didn't harm anyone in the Royal Chambers. You didn't hear him put the hit out on the mama or sister.

He won the contest and declared himself king. His first act was to send the weapons to the War Dogs.

That chick that he kissed was between him and the dude who was trying to escape - Klaw. She got caught up.

The Milaje guards attacked him and that one chick got caught up.
He just killed forest Whitaker and threw tchalla off the cliff. Hell no I'm not staying around if I'm related. Nobody knew anything about kilmonger accept the white man lol.
 

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He just killed forest Whitaker and threw tchalla off the cliff. Hell no I'm not staying around if I'm related. Nobody knew anything about kilmonger accept the white man lol.
Well forest jumped into the fight AND was a part of the thing that made killmonger what he was in the first place. He would have had to stand trial or face summary execution regardless when erik became king. Didn't mean there was any threat to his aunt and his ex girlfriend. They ran because THEY couldn't imagine living under eriks rule (hmm fealty or the option to leave..where've I heard that before??:rolleyes:)
 

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Bruh, you are reading a lot of you into that scene. They barely spoke to each other.

Erik was glad to see the sun over the landscape.
Erik had no desire to live in bondage.
I will even make the stretch that his statement including jumping from the ship foreshadowed escaping.

Erik wasn't repenting. He didn't believe he did anything wrong. Who said he killed innocent people?

I've seen the movie twice. Did not see your exposition.

His position was simple - freedom or death.

Muthafuckas taking shit way too personal. :lol:
 

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Erika did a lot of talking about People of Color while avoiding the use of the word Black.

She spent a lot of time piggybacking off of Coggler's and Cole's Black Panther project without giving them their proper due.

I had to stop watching.

Fuck POC, I only care about black folks. I'on be liking that shit either so I feel you. :dunno:
 
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‘Black Panther’ Reveals Black Audiences’ Box Office Superpower
Jeff Green, Jordyn Holman and Anousha Sakoui
February 22, 2018, 5:00 AM EST
  • Major African-American cities outpaced U.S. in record debut
  • Black audiences have clamored for more representation in film


"Black Panther" Sets Record With $235 Million Opening

It’s been clear for months that black audiences would show up for “Black Panther,” the first big superhero movie with a predominantly black cast. The weekend put a finer point on that enthusiasm, with $242 million in domestic box-office sales buoyed by African American audiences, especially in major black cities.



Theater revenue was up 56 percent over the weekend average in Atlanta, 31 percent in Washington and 81 percent in Memphis, according to Walt Disney Co., which distributed the film from its Marvel Studios division. The numbers are especially remarkable considering that people of color also probably traveled farther to see the film -- many more than once -- because historically, there are fewer theaters in predominantly African American neighborhoods.



For theaters suffering 25-year attendance lows, “Black Panther” is a shot in the arm. “For us it was one of the biggest movie openings for sure,” said Ahmed Anwar, who runs the historic Kent Theater in Brooklyn with his wife. “Everybody had a very positive reaction toward the movie and enjoyed it very much.”

“Black Panther” is the latest and biggest in a series of recent hits that feature black actors in major roles, like “Hidden Figures” and “Get Out.” People of color make up a disproportionate number of what the Motion Picture Association of America calls “frequent moviegoers” -- people who go to the movies once a month or more. Among African Americans in particular, the number of frequent moviegoers is up 27 percent since 2012. (That number is down 21 percent among white audiences.)



“What’s unique about “Black Panther” is that it is a tentpole film,” said Darnell Hunt, a professor and dean of social sciences in the sociology department at the University of California, Los Angeles. “It’s your classic superhero, big-budget, big box-office film. Until this point, you would never see a film like that with a black lead and a majority black cast.”

Claiming Wakanda
That’s made “Black Panther” a cultural touchstone among African-American audiences, who for years have lobbied Hollywood for more diverse films. A YouGov.com survey, for instance, found that about three-quarters of black respondents planned to see the movie, compared with less than half of whites.

“Everyone is claiming Wakanda,” Vanessa Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Urban League of Greater Atlanta’s guild group, said of the film’s fictional kingdom. Kelly attended a Feb. 15 screening with about 150 of the organization’s members, many in West African-inspired prints or dressed all in black like the title character. “We’re all just claiming Wakanda as a universal country. There was so much pride over the representation of seeing our culture on screen.”

annual report on African Americans in Hollywood. And the demand for representation has material consequences: movies that feature people of color in 20 percent to 40 percent of roles do better at the box office, according to Hunt, whose latest study is due out this month. Many moviegoers say they’ve already gone back to the theaters to relive the story, fueling even more sales for Marvel’s film. Kelly in Atlanta knows people who have watched “Black Panther” three times.

In Brooklyn, Anwar played “Black Panther” on the biggest of his three screens over the weekend. The Kent is the closest theater to several majority black neighborhoods, according to a Bloomberg analysis of U.S. census data and a list of more than 5,000 theaters from data provider InfoUSA.

After the opening weekend, experts say they’ll be watching for signs of extended success, especially in majority white areas and parts of the country with a history of racial intolerance.

“If the movie does awesome everywhere, this is good news,” said Ricard Gil, an associate professor at John Hopkins University Carey School of Business, who has studied the movie industry during the Jim Crow era. “If ‘Captain America’ does well in one location, there’s no reason ‘Black Panther’ shouldn’t do well in that location. Those are the same types of movies.”

Bigger Precedent
Longer term, movies like “Hidden Figures” may be the more important precedent for studios and audiences, said Mia Mask, a professor of theater at Vassar College who teaches classes on black movies and history. As recently as 2015, critically acclaimed dramas including “Fruitvale Station,” “Precious” and “Middle of Nowhere” struggled to reach audiences, she said.

“We want to make sure that African-American themed films and blockbuster films that have a predominantly black cast do well,” said Mask. “However, that argument relies so much on these individual blockbuster films, these rare opportunities, to carry the significance of black film and confirm the commercial viability of black films to studios.”

Disney’s next big-budget bet on diversity comes next month with the release of “A Wrinkle in Time,” directed by Ava DuVernay. Based on the 1962 book by Madeleine L’Engle, it follows the quest of a young girl through space and time, and features Oprah Winfrey, Mindy Kaling and Reese Witherspoon. It opens on March 9.
 
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