Just watched BLACK PANTHER and.......

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That's what it is. Killmonger was right. So much so that T'Challa had to go to Oakland where this mission began and start THERE with helping out brothers and sisters.

Remember when they had the challenge he said he had waited his whole life for this he worked hard for this he killed for this killed brothers and sisters on this continent for this.

He wasn't a saint. He is a villain he did the wrong things all of the time. But the passion and his message resonated. Liberation from colonizers was his mission. I almost feel disrespectful calling him Killmonger and Erik
His name is N'Jadaka

Killmonger was flawed as most villains are but his heart was in the right place for his people and he had more extreme methods to achieve his goals and wasn't afraid to crack more than a few eggs to achieve it. lol That's why I say earlier in my post that I believe Killmonger could've been more reasonable considering his background but his character serves it's purpose and I'm fine with that.

But peep this bills.

Here's where I fault Black Panther, but maybe this is a argument against the writing more so than the character himself.

Why T'Challa leader of Wakanda nation the most technological advanced nation in Africa could find a way to work with the U.S. government the same government that is oppressing people of color in communities Killmonger came from and other around the globe. But couldn't find a diplomatic way to do this WITH Killmonger and instead opted for multiculturalism outreach working with the U.S. government offering them their technology? What kind of message does that send?
 

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I dunno why not the white man moved around freely:rolleyes2::rolleyes2::rolleyes2:
no he didn't. He was in the lab, where they hid him. He wasn't at the fights, they made him stay in the lab. He escaped with the nakia, the mom and sister, and was even told to keep quiet when they were talking to Man Ape. Then they put him in a disguise on the way back to the lab where he manned the plane. He was never seen moving about freely.
 

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no he didn't. He was in the lab, where they hid him. He wasn't at the fights, they made him stay in the lab. He escaped with the nakia, the mom and sister, and was even told to keep quiet when they were talking to Man Ape. Then they put him in a disguise on the way back to the lab where he manned the plane. He was never seen moving about freely.
no..they didn't put in a cell or a nondescript room away from the tech secrets..they put him in the LAB where he could see them building shit then gave him a tour of the mines and told him their secrets on what it takes to mine the vibranium. Dude do you realize there are areas of M&Ms research facility T'Challa wouldn't be allowed to see.
 

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no..they didn't put in a cell or a nondescript room away from the tech secrets..they put him in the LAB where he could see them building shit then gave him a tour of the mines and told him their secrets on what it takes to mine the vibranium. Dude do you realize there are areas of M&Ms research facility T'Challa wouldn't be allowed to see.
ok, but he wasn't moving about freely. He wasn't going shopping and shit, grabbing food with the locals. He already knew about vibranium and how technologically advanced they were, it was mentioned during the casino scene.
 

BigDaddyBuk

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The Fam ran but there is no evidence they were being chased.

Assumption. Erik didn't harm anyone in the Royal Chambers. You didn't hear him put the hit out on the mama or sister.
Nakia: "we need to go or we are next." go watch that part again.

when the throne passes to another family it is common to kill all threats to the throne.

Erik knew they would eventually try to stop him.

He won the contest and declared himself king. His first act was to send the weapons to the War Dogs.
negative. his first act was to eat them herbs then destroy the garden. he also planned to attack Hong Kong. when the fuck have the Chinese oppressed us?
That chick that he kissed was between him and the dude who was trying to escape - Klaw. She got caught up. The Milaje guards attacked him and that one chick got caught up.
i'm realizing you're making up the movie you wanted to see in your mind.

he murdered his girlfriend who was loyal and obviously head over heels for him. "baby its gonna be okay" all sweet and shit right before putting one to her dome.

he slit the throat of the Dora Milaje guard to enrage and intimidate the others.

those women werent unfortunate casualties of war, he premeditated their murders. the Wakandans stopped short at murdering each other, just lke BP stopped short at murdering Erik.
 

geechiedan

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he also planned to attack Hong Kong. when the fuck have the Chinese oppressed us?
Lunar New Year: Chinese TV gala includes 'racist blackface' sketch
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A skit at state broadcaster CCTV's annual Lunar New Year gala recently caused headlines around the world after it featured a Chinese actress in blackface with huge prosthetic buttocks portraying an African woman, along with tribal dancers and monkeys. As one observer put it, the skit was “cringe-worthy at best, completely racist at worst.”

This week, Beijing responded — by saying that the sketch was not racist. Instead, the Foreign Ministry said, the controversy over the skit in Western media was a “futile” attempt to undermine China's relationship with Africa.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang was asked about the segment at a news conference Thursday: the first to be held since the end of the week-long new year holiday. Geng initially questioned whether the sketch was really a diplomatic issue and said the reporter posing the question should be asking the gala organizers instead.

“As a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, I can tell you that China has always opposed any form of racial discrimination,” Geng said. The spokesman added that he had seen that the skit had been covered widely in the Western media. He said that if people tried to exaggerate the incident to undermine relations between China and Africa, it would be a “doomed, futile effort.”

The CCTV New Year’s Gala draws massive viewership. With an estimated 700 million viewers, the show's audience is about seven times as large as the most recent Super Bowl, making it probably the world's most-watched television show.

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The controversial segment of the show was designed to celebrate the links between China and Africa, including a new Chinese-built high-speed rail line in Kenya. The skit began with a dance routine featuring the Shakira song “Waka Waka (This Time for Africa)." An African woman then asks the show's Chinese host to pretend to be her fiance so her mother does not set her up on a blind date and she can instead move to China. Her mother, played by Chinese actress Lou Naiming wearing blackface, then enters the scene, and the African woman and the host pretend to be a couple.

The ruse is soon ruined after the host's Chinese wife makes an entrance. However, the African mother says she cannot be angry over the subterfuge because of the strong bond between the people of China and Africa. “I love Chinese people! I love China,” the mother says.

Blackface is taboo in the United States and many other parts of the world, but racism is rarely a subject of public discussion in China.

“It’s normal for Chinese actors to dress up like foreigners when performing a foreign play,” Zhou Hengshan, 80, told an Associated Press reporter in Beijing last week.

However, some Chinese social media users were embarrassed by the segment and worried about the damage it would do to China's image abroad.

“This is plain racism, the foreign media are going to explode,” wrote one user on Weibo, according to the blog What's On Weibo.

China has made billions of dollars' worth of investments in sub-Saharan Africa in recent years, and polls have shown that, in general, Africans welcome the Chinese investment. However, there are often points of tension, including concerns surrounding the continent's natural resources and Chinese aid propping up bad governments.

Chinese television has faced accusations of racism before. In an advertisement aired in 2016, a black man is shown turning into a Chinese man after a Chinese woman “washes” him with the laundry detergent being advertised. In that case, it was later reported that the company behind the advertisement had apologized.
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Killmonger was flawed as most villains are but his heart was in the right place for his people and he had more extreme methods to achieve his goals and wasn't afraid to crack more than a few eggs to achieve it. lol That's why I say earlier in my post that I believe Killmonger could've been more reasonable considering his background but his character serves it's purpose and I'm fine with that.

But peep this bills.

Here's where I fault Black Panther, but maybe this is a argument against the writing more so than the character himself.

Why T'Challa leader of Wakanda nation the most technological advanced nation in Africa could find a way to work with the U.S. government the same government that is oppressing people of color in communities Killmonger came from and other around the globe. But couldn't find a diplomatic way to do this WITH Killmonger and instead opted for multiculturalism outreach working with the U.S. government offering them their technology? What kind of message does that send?

There was no diplomatic way to do this with Killmonger. They both represented the extremes.
Killmonger at the UN in the end would've been weak sauce he is not that. He is who he was till the end.

Also they offer them tech but that doesn't even mean it's tech that's cutting edge. They are so far ahead of everyone
Also it doesn't say what kind of tech they'll offer. They not offering weapons but they probably might offer medicinal techniques like the ones used to save Bucky and Ross.

They didn't say they'd share all the trade secrets. Just won't keep them completely in the dark. They didn't even say they'd tell people WHERE Wakanda was.
 

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Nakia: "we need to go or we are next." go watch that part again.

when the throne passes to another family it is common to kill all threats to the throne.

Erik knew they would eventually try to stop him.


negative. his first act was to eat them herbs then destroy the garden. he also planned to attack Hong Kong. when the fuck have the Chinese oppressed us?

i'm realizing you're making up the movie you wanted to see in your mind.

he murdered his girlfriend who was loyal and obviously head over heels for him. "baby its gonna be okay" all sweet and shit right before putting one to her dome.

he slit the throat of the Dora Milaje guard to enrage and intimidate the others.

those women werent unfortunate casualties of war, he premeditated their murders. the Wakandans stopped short at murdering each other, just lke BP stopped short at murdering Erik.

To be fair, he killed men who got in his way too. He was an equal opportunity Villain.
Random people at the jailbreak
Klau
Zuri
Thought he had killed T'Challa then tried to do it again
just to even it out a bit lol
 

geechiedan

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ok, but he wasn't moving about freely. He wasn't going shopping and shit, grabbing food with the locals. He already knew about vibranium and how technologically advanced they were, it was mentioned during the casino scene.
we can go deeper if you want...

1st. I LIKED THE MOVIE!!

It would have been better if he was going shopping and shit and grabbing food with the locals. Thats not telling him how the vibranium is minded..and its not giving him access to operate tech.

1. why the fuck wasn't he in a hospital? What..a common wakandan hospital doesn't have life saving techniques and technology?

2. where the fuck is shuri's assistance. Is that her personal lab or is it a cutting edge R&D facility she heads up...if so then wakandan staff SHOULD have been handling that air fight...not some US govt spy

3. The issue of erik choosing death over bondage because he refused to be loyal to wakanda...okay I'll buy that..then WHY THE FUCK IS A WHITE MAN WHOSE LOYALTY IS TO THE CAC-ASS US OF A allowed to witness the most vital, secretive areas of the country? mind you they CLOAKED the country because of the vibranium.. They didn't develop the tech then declare to world YEAH WE HAVE IT AND NONE OF YALL ARE GETTING IT. They hid the country because they knew if knowledge of it got out they would be at perpetual war with the WORLD over it.

Yet they allow someone whose job it is to report everything he saw so the NSA can start reverse engineering that shit to see all that shit.

In order to hit certain points and emotions Coogler told the story in a way that undermines some core things about why wakanda cut itself off from the world.
 
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Nakia: "we need to go or we are next." go watch that part again.

when the throne passes to another family it is common to kill all threats to the throne.

Where is this written?

Erik knew they would eventually try to stop him.

Nakia has no idea what is in the mind of Erik. That was her assumption. Erik didn't kill anyone in the council or Wakanda until he was attacked.

negative. his first act was to eat them herbs then destroy the garden. he also planned to attack Hong Kong. when the fuck have the Chinese oppressed us?

His first militaristic move was to arm the War Dogs. Those ships were going to many destinations.

i'm realizing you're making up the movie you wanted to see in your mind.

he murdered his girlfriend who was loyal and obviously head over heels for him. "baby its gonna be okay" all sweet and shit right before putting one to her dome.

Erik pulled a gun on Klaw and that chick got captured and Klaw was using her as a human shield to escape. Erik didn't need her. He was on his mission. She was expendable.

he slit the throat of the Dora Milaje guard to enrage and intimidate the others.

Erik killed a trained killer that was trying to kill him. Why in dee hell would he bother with making the Milaje mad. They were already fighting. You are assuming his motivations without any factual support.

those women werent unfortunate casualties of war, he premeditated their murders. the Wakandans stopped short at murdering each other, just lke BP stopped short at murdering Erik.

Black Panther stuck a spear in Erik's chest. He didn't put Erik in timeout? He only stopped short of sticking him twice with the same spearhead.

The Wakandans were not murdering each other. Who died during all that tussling? The boarder guards surrounded the Milaje but they didn't kill them. They trapped them.

What movie did you see?
 

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1. why the fuck wasn't he in a hospital? What..a common wakandan hospital doesn't have life saving techniques and technology?
dude - they were keeping his presence there a secret...

T'challa was playing by the cuff he wasn't sure how to handle it but he decided his priority was to save a life
 

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I have AVOIDED movie theaters for YEARS now being EXTREMELY selective

(and the fact that they is SUCH an overflow they can't keep the theaters clean is a SERIOUS issue.

that is why I completely understand @Camille not even making an exception for the Panther.

Totally, nasty.

I feel like people are REALLY letting all the herbs burning slide.

Naw folk.

It's gonna be akin to IM3. When we get there.

Unless Marvel does it, they will fuck Sinister up. They have already ruined Apocalypse, The Sentinals and the Dark Phoenix.

Wait, what, how they fuck up Dark Phoenix? What you know?

I am NOT the one to debate on this movie,

I just realized that.

If anyone didn't like it?

Keep that shit to yourself

Matter of fact outside healthy debate...

If anyone just didn't like it or coming in with all this community college film class analysis...

Take that over there way over there.

Fucking up my happy after the couple of months I just had?

I'm about to see this again just off gp.

There is nothing wrong with Black Panther.
It is the pantheon of film making.
It made me cry - I find no faults with this film.


Ever.
 

rNubb

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thats just a historical fact across most cultures... going back multiple millenia

I understand the reference but why would this be true for Wakanda. The throne is passed thru the family. Primarily from father to son.
 

geechiedan

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dude - they were keeping his presence there a secret...

T'challa was playing by the cuff he wasn't sure how to handle it but he decided his priority was to save a life
KEEPING HIS PRESENCE A SECRET FROM WHO?? these niggas were under a cloaked net to keep the white man out..also T'Challa is king his word is law and the Wakandans who live in his kingdom are supposed to be loyal to him...so the secret thing doesn't fly.

Quite frankly the mountain people should have executed his ass on sight...they have no reason to allow an outsider in their land.

The more you pull at that string the more the cloth comes apart.
 

BigDaddyBuk

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Black Panther stuck a spear in Erik's chest. He didn't put Erik in timeout? He only stopped short of sticking him twice with the same spearhead.

The Wakandans were not murdering each other. Who died during all that tussling? The boarder guards surrounded the Milaje but they didn't kill them. They trapped them.

What movie did you see?
bruh you didnt even understand what i wrote.

what does stop short of mean?
 

playahaitian

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I'd have to see the full outfit. I need to revise my other statement. I've seen men with locks look good in them, but didn't you cut yours off?

I'm such a punk...I was gonna grow it out and cut them after BP now I'm having 2nd thoughts

I started growing the hair out since about September.

ironically enough? honeysuckle and jojoba oil did the trick

I went in a Black suit jacket with kente cloth scarf

I'm pissed though I got only like 1 pic of myself!

We may have to redo the costumes and get a real professional shoot done!
 
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ViCiouS

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KEEPING HIS PRESENCE A SECRET FROM WHO?? these niggas were under a cloaked net to keep the white man out..also T'Challa is king his word is law and the Wakandans who live in his kingdom are supposed to be loyal to him...so the secret thing doesn't fly.

Quite frankly the mountain people should have executed his ass on sight...they have no reason to allow an outsider in their land.

The more you pull at that string the more the cloth comes apart.
man just watch the movie again... I agree the white ape tribe should have killed him but if you asking who they hiding him from just rewatch the movie

even in real life a king can not just do whatever he wants, there are always "keys to power" that have to be satisfied or manipulated

the whole reason for so much trouble was all the secrecy from T'Chaka
 

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I'm such a punk...I was gonna grow it out and cut them after BP now I'm having 2nd thoughts

I started growing the hair out since about September.

So I got coils and let them keep growing out panther god blessed me and for some reason it grew real fast, covering the thinning hair!

ironically enough? honeysuckle and jojoba oil did the trick

I got so many compliments for the twists at the movie (my oldest was the STAR but quiet is kept I got a few photo requests too)

now the girls want me to keep them

I don't know cause now they passed T'Challa length and they getting to Killmonger levels.

I went Black suit jacket with kente cloth scarf, handmade North African tribal medallion matching platinum necklace rings and bracelet. black tie shiny black shirt black jeans black dress boots black and grey trench coat and underneath I had the black panther costume shirt that ripped open like superman for some magazine that interviewed my daughter.

I'm pissed though I got only like 1 pic of myself!

We may have to redo the costumes and get a real professional shoot done!

How old are you?
 

geechiedan

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man just watch the movie again... I agree the white ape tribe should have killed him but if you asking who they hiding him from just rewatch the movie

even in real life a king can not just do whatever he wants, there are always "keys to power" that have to be satisfied or manipulated

the whole reason for so much trouble was all the secrecy from T'Chaka
really?? cuz erik was doing what he wanted and he was only on the throne for a day or so...in real life kim jung un is doing what he wants...dude is 25 years old and calling shots like a motherfucker..killed his uncle for falling asleep in a meeting..killed his half brother 007 style for just talking shit.

I'm just saying if the goal at that point was to keep wakandas tech a secret...then bringing a white CIA agent into the heart of that isn't the best way to go about it.
 

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not true... any one of royal blood from any of the tribes can challenge for the throne

That's why I said primarily the other tribes are not beefing about the throne. They live in peace. Only one tribe contested Tchalla ascension. There was no indication that if MBaku won the contest that he was going to kill Shuri or the Mother or Zuri or anyone else.

I am assuming it would be a peaceful transition of power.
 

ViCiouS

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really?? cuz erik was doing what he wanted and he was only on the throne for a day or so...in real life kim jung un is doing what he wants...dude is 25 years old and calling shots like a motherfucker..killed his uncle for falling asleep in a meeting..killed his half brother 007 style for just talking shit.

I'm just saying if the goal at that point was to keep wakandas tech a secret...then bringing a white CIA agent into the heart of that isn't the best way to go about it.
a day is not a long time -
there is a huge difference between conquering and governing...

Kim Jung Un is not able to govern NKorea by himself - he knows there are supporters that backed him, that he rewards- but will flip and kill him if he shows weakness or fucks up
There are factions in his government under Chinas influence and other faction(s) under Putin's influence
Most of the house cleaning you have head of (executions and assassinations) were mostly keys of power under chinese influence or acceptable political replacements for him (half brother, uncle etc)
 
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ViCiouS

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That's why I said primarily the other tribes are not beefing about the throne. They live in peace. Only one tribe contested Tchalla ascension. There was no indication that if MBaku won the contest that he was going to kill Shuri or the Mother or Zuri or anyone else.

I am assuming it would be a peaceful transition of power.

maybe but probably not... M'Baku said he wanted the nation to stop relying on technology... I doubt that would have played out well
 

Camille

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To old be wearing all that for a damn movie!

real talk?

Me and T'Challa dad used to be wild in these Wakanda streets

I don't know what that means. I'm asking because I always think I'm talking to babies in here then I realize how long y'all have been married or how old y'alls kids are.
 

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I don't know what that means. I'm asking because I always think I'm talking to babies in here then I realize how long y'all have been married or how old y'alls kids are.

you. do. not. know. the . origin. of. the . panther?!?!?!??!

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