** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **

PeerlessMack

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I have the box set and I'm rewatching it now.

I don't know if it was already mentioned but the war between Avon and Marlo would have been over early because Slim Charles had the jump on Marlo. When Slim was trying to contact Avon for the go ahead Avon was getting arrested because Stringer had snitched.

If Stringer hadn't snitched, Marlo would've gotten killed early on.

Also, Avon never wanted to give up territory but Stringer did it anyway. It turned out to be a good move financially but as a result when Avon got out he had to go to war to claim back his territory.

Avon was sraight street and wasn't trying to here that business bullshit Stringer was trying to sell. Shit the Barksdale organization was make $20+ million a year without Avon even touching dope or guns. Avon just wanted to keep his shit real.

Stringer on the other hand wanted his own empire.
 

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Once again, I have to clear up a lot of shit. i wonder sometimes what show some niggas watched. I know the love affair with Stringer Bell is large, but some of you have rose-colored glasses for that nigga.

Which lines, or slang from the wire have been added to your vocabulary?

is there a character that you emulate?

All the vocab. Too many phrases to name.

i think you all need to revisit the show again.

d'angelo already rejected the state's proffer at brianna's behest.

he was going to carry the years and looked forward to a new life. more free on the inside than on the outside, remember?

there was no reason for stringer to green light d'angelo other than stringer bell was pussy.

for those of you that recall season 1, it was stringer bell's stupidity that cost little man his life too.

See, I agree that Dee wasn't flipping, but I agree with Stringer's call to kill that nigga. That was one call he made that was right. Only because you gotta look at it from Stringer's angle. Avon and Bre were his fam, so they had a bias. Dee had already flipped once and gave up murders and Weebay. Dee had cut off his girl and his son. Now, we as the audience had the benefit of seeing that Dee was rebuilding his life, but they didn't. I agree with the killing.

Yep. Stringer was responsible for Little Man's death. He made that call on his own to kill Orlando and get that money. Had he run it by Avon (or someone with sense), they would've told his greedy ass where the fuck would Orlando come up with 30K when he was crying for bail money just last week?


So why were their profits up 9% after the towers fell?

Let me ask you something.

Do you think that would have held?

If they kept making profits and had better dope, how long do you think it would have been before Marlo muscled his way in?

OK, lemme explain the profit shit. The Barksdale organization had 6 towers, but weak product at probably a higher price. They gave up 3 towers, but got a better product at probably a cheaper price. They were able to step on this better product more and stretch it out and sell more. You can make more G-packs out of the Prop Joe heroin than you could from that ATL shit (which is why Stringer was telling the dude in the copy shop to put 3 to 1 of the raw).

So that means they could buy less pure while making the same revenue (losing half because there's less towers).

As for the wholesale vs retail, that's a different argument. Unless you're moving big weight, wholesale don't make you shit. Now, Stringer was the only Westside nigga in the co-op, so all the rest of the dealers got their dope from independents at inflated prices (Marlo did some wholesaling too). Theoretically, Stringer could wholesale to the whole west side and isolate himself letting someone like Bodie run his own retail with only a tangible affliation to Stringer. There's not much profit margin in wholesaling especially when Stringer isn't directly connected.

How much do you think Prop Joe added to the price Spiros was giving him? I'm sure he added an extra 5K at least, telling the co-op it was 76K a key. Now how much do you think Stringer could turn around and wholesale that for? 80K? 90K? So he makes a profit of 5-10K per key. Now if you bought that key and stepped on it 3 to 1, you can get 160 G-packs out of that which is equiv to 160K. Look at your profit margin there. Of course, with retail comes more operational expenses, more people to pay, more risk, etc. Stringer wasn't looking out for the best interests of the whole organization, just himself (and maybe Avon), basically the niggas at the top. There would be no need for a Bodie Season 1 level nigga. Niggas would be out of jobs.


Season 3, Episode 12


Avon Barksdale, and I quote


"Man, String was right about this sht man, that ngga was right....FCK Marlo..........Fck this fcking war............all this beef, over a couple of fcking corners.........

Avon was nothing more than a sad nigga who lost his friend. The same was McNulty was sad after Kima got shot. And then he got right back in the game. Just like Avon was ready to get back at Marlo.
 

LeroyDibiase

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I will give Stringer credit for killing Wallace. Wallace had to get killed. But that was it. Season 2 is just watching Stringer fuck up one after the other after the other. Without Avon to check him, he had no filter and just grew out of control.

I wish we could've seen more of Fat Face Rick. :lol: That nigga there.

Oh shit, can't forget Stringer fucking up the truce.

Stringer didn't have the balls to tell Avon he made a deal, so he sent Omar after Mouzone.

He didn't have the balls to just FUCKING SHOOT Omar and end his problem.

You notice Avon never met Marlo face to face, never met Omar face to face. Why? Because Avon would've shot them motherfuckers. Stringer ain't have it in him.

Stringer was a piss-poor human resources manager. Look at his hired. Besiders Shamrock and Slim Charles, the rest were bums. Cutty was gifted to him (but he didn't last).

You switch the ending of Season 1 and have Stringer go to jail and Avon remain free, there is no Season 2 because Stringer snitches on everyone. Avon in Season 2 and 3 wouldn't let a nigga like Marlo build up a small fucking army right under his nose. Avon always had his ear to the street. Stringer didn't even know who Marlo was or looked like.
 

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You notice Avon never met Marlo face to face, never met Omar face to face. Why? Because Avon would've shot them motherfuckers. Stringer ain't have it in him.

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Stringer was a piss-poor human resources manager. Look at his hired. Besiders Shamrock and Slim Charles, the rest were bums. Cutty was gifted to him (but he didn't last).

Now that you mention it, Stringer did hire some dumb ass niggas.

Maybe it was a superiority complex type thing where he wanted to feel soooo much smarter than them niggas...
 

LeroyDibiase

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I mean how many times did Stringer meet with Omar. At least 3 times. I can understand the public meeting. But one meeting was in Prop Joe's shop. Another was in Butchin's bar. Shoot that nigga B. You mean you couldn't have someone follow Omar? That nigga had to sleep.
 

PeerlessMack

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You notice Avon never met Marlo face to face, never met Omar face to face. Why? Because Avon would've shot them motherfuckers. Stringer ain't have it in him.

Actually, Avon DID meet with Marlo. Avon was in jail when Marlo came to visit Sergei. Avon surprised Marlo basically told him that if he wanted to get in contact with the connect (the Greek) he had to go through him first.

Search youtube "Avon meets Marlo" for the scene.
 

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Actually, Avon DID meet with Marlo. Avon was in jail when Marlo came to visit Sergei. Avon surprised Marlo basically told him that if he wanted to get in contact with the connect (the Greek) he had to go through him first.

Search youtube "Avon meets Marlo" for the scene.

Of course he couldn't shoot him then HE WAS IN JAIL...
 

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How come nobody ever mentions how...

Slim Charles had the drop on Marlo. Coulda ended that problem in season 3 but nah Avons dumb ass had to be sitting in that house playing soldier with all them guns and shit. Avon being in that house was maybe the Barksdales biggest fuckup/ bad judgement call in season 3.

Or... how bout how Chris almost took Avons head off with the shotty. What kind of leader exposes himself to so much bullshit on the day to day other than a fool that cant see past his obsession with the game?

Avon was a boss and integral to the day to day success of the organization. Only an fool would be running around in the streets with guns with a multimillion dollar business to run. The fuck was he doing?

See I think Stringer was a bit of a fuck up but lets not forget... so was Avon...and they both had what the other was lacking. That was probably Simons intention. Avon had that hunger to conquer the street. He was a respected leader cuz he earned his stripes. He understood the game for what it was...nothing more nothing less. He could not see even one inch beyond that and it was gonna be his downfall. Stringer had the vision. He saw the bigger picture but for some reason the nigga thought he could play the streets like it was corporate america. That's cool on one level but the street operates outside of alot of those parameters. Like Avon said, he didnt have the heart for the street and maybe he wasnt smart enough to play the on other side.

thats my 2 cents...

by the way i gotta give props to marlos squad. never gets mentioned but dude kept a sharp, disciplined squad. they were constantly on the hunt for promising recruits, and always training. the drill with the paintballs makes me wonder if chris had some military background or something.
 

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I wish we could've seen more of Fat Face Rick. :lol: That nigga there.


Stringer was a piss-poor human resources manager.
Look at his hired. Besiders Shamrock and Slim Charles, the rest were bums. Cutty was gifted to him (but he didn't last).

:lol::lol::lol:

the drill with the paintballs makes me wonder if chris had some military background or something.

I'm sure he did. Remember how he was clearing that room, the night they went hunting for Omar? You don't pick that shit up on the streets.
 

PeerlessMack

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How come nobody ever mentions how...

Slim Charles had the drop on Marlo. Coulda ended that problem in season 3 but nah Avons dumb ass had to be sitting in that house playing soldier with all them guns and shit. Avon being in that house was maybe the Barksdales biggest fuckup/ bad judgement call in season 3 .

You serious? It was Stringer Bell who snitched to the cops that Avon was there. Avon was getting ready to take out Marlo and his crew. Slim was waiting on the ok to take out Marlo but Avon was getting arrested.... all because of Stringer.

Stringer fucked that up. Marlo wouldn't no longer be a problem for every one.

Here is the vid: www.youtube.com/watch?v=btXfjWGde_4&feature=related
 

Cock Head Jones

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You serious? It was Stringer Bell who snitched to the cops that Avon was there. Avon was getting ready to take out Marlo and his crew. Slim was waiting on the ok to take out Marlo but Avon was getting arrested.... all because of Stringer.

Stringer fucked that up. Marlo wouldn't no longer be a problem for every one.

Here is the vid: www.youtube.com/watch?v=btXfjWGde_4&feature=related

bro... avon shoulda never been in that house in position to get got.
thats what u have soldiers for.

he also should have never been in that car when he got shot.
he was addicted to that side of the game.
 

cranrab

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the dichotomy that existed with avon and stringer was written into their backstory.

remember their childhood dreams? ak-47 v. 2 supermarkets

stringer bell was a poseur riding on the barksdale family dime.

TMM, i think you're not considering a couple facts.

(a) avon "went to the mattresses" - the location he chose was as good as any. it took stringer bell diming him out for avon to be caught.

(b) the ranks were slim and avon's crew was lacking soldiers.
 

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Season 3, Episode 12


Avon Barksdale, and I quote


"Man, String was right about this sht man, that ngga was right....FCK Marlo..........Fck this fcking war............all this beef, over a couple of fcking corners.........

I liked how you pulled that quote half ass out of the air...what was the situation revolving around that shit... :rolleyes: He said that shit outta remorse man
 

LSN

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man, come correct.

why all the periods in your quote?

because a grieving avon barksdale was lamenting over the all that had transpired, including the loss of a lifelong friend turned traitor?

he was emotionally weary. that's all.

Hahahhaha I like how he tried to ignore that shit like that wasn't weighin heavy on Avon conscience @ the time
 

LSN

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Actually, Avon DID meet with Marlo. Avon was in jail when Marlo came to visit Sergei. Avon surprised Marlo basically told him that if he wanted to get in contact with the connect (the Greek) he had to go through him first.

Search youtube "Avon meets Marlo" for the scene.

Man you got to be a fuckin idiot man I swear
 

LSN

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by the way i gotta give props to marlos squad. never gets mentioned but dude kept a sharp, disciplined squad. they were constantly on the hunt for promising recruits, and always training. the drill with the paintballs makes me wonder if chris had some military background or something.

Yo Marlo was my fav character off that show...dude did not give a fuck about nothin but winnin w/ his squad
 

LSN

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Yo question...when Marlo shot the chic in her titties and mouth why did Avon take it so hard...I mean obviously she was sent by him and shit but prior to that ep I never seen her around or @ least don't recall seeing her around for Avon to take it like that...I figured she was some random broad he called up to set Marlo up :dunno:
 

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Yo question...when Marlo shot the chic in her titties and mouth why did Avon take it so hard...I mean obviously she was sent by him and shit but prior to that ep I never seen her around or @ least don't recall seeing her around for Avon to take it like that...I figured she was some random broad he called up to set Marlo up :dunno:

It got serious for Avon at that point.
 

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Actually, Avon DID meet with Marlo. Avon was in jail when Marlo came to visit Sergei. Avon surprised Marlo basically told him that if he wanted to get in contact with the connect (the Greek) he had to go through him first.

Search youtube "Avon meets Marlo" for the scene.

You got to be the stupidest nigga. :smh:

How come nobody ever mentions how...

Slim Charles had the drop on Marlo. Coulda ended that problem in season 3 but nah Avons dumb ass had to be sitting in that house playing soldier with all them guns and shit. Avon being in that house was maybe the Barksdales biggest fuckup/ bad judgement call in season 3.

Everybody mentions that. Stringer fucked it up. I'll explain more later.

Or... how bout how Chris almost took Avons head off with the shotty. What kind of leader exposes himself to so much bullshit on the day to day other than a fool that cant see past his obsession with the game?

Avon was a boss and integral to the day to day success of the organization. Only an fool would be running around in the streets with guns with a multimillion dollar business to run. The fuck was he doing?

Avon was in the streets just as much as Marlo (actually less), so you can't criticize Avon and praise Marlo. The difference between the two is Marlo was surrounded by competency. Stringer had fucked shit up so bad, Avon had to get out there and make sure shit was done right himself. You can't be holed up in ya spot all day. He was out to make sure the hit went down right.

See I think Stringer was a bit of a fuck up but lets not forget... so was Avon...and they both had what the other was lacking. That was probably Simons intention. Avon had that hunger to conquer the street. He was a respected leader cuz he earned his stripes. He understood the game for what it was...nothing more nothing less. He could not see even one inch beyond that and it was gonna be his downfall. Stringer had the vision. He saw the bigger picture but for some reason the nigga thought he could play the streets like it was corporate america. That's cool on one level but the street operates outside of alot of those parameters. Like Avon said, he didnt have the heart for the street and maybe he wasnt smart enough to play the on other side.

thats my 2 cents...

Nah. Stringer was a beta male in alpha male clothing. No homo but he was a big strong looking dude so you wouldn't figure him for a bitch, but that's what he was. Avon would be right where he was during Season 1 without Stringer. Stringer without Avon? Nigga lost. What you think is ignorance on Avon's part to see past the street was actually the right mentality. You can't get away from the street. No matter how you try and make the shit like Candyland. Y'all act like kingpins last forever, they don't. They come and go. Avon wasn't gonna last long as the king, but at least he wore the crown.

bro... avon shoulda never been in that house in position to get got.
thats what u have soldiers for.

he also should have never been in that car when he got shot.
he was addicted to that side of the game.

Avon was there because it was the wartime hideout. Marlo and them knew about the funeral home.
Marlo also went to Avon's trial...

Yeah, he was gonna shoot him at the fucking trial.
the dichotomy that existed with avon and stringer was written into their backstory.

remember their childhood dreams? ak-47 v. 2 supermarkets

stringer bell was a poseur riding on the barksdale family dime.

TMM, i think you're not considering a couple facts.

(a) avon "went to the mattresses" - the location he chose was as good as any. it took stringer bell diming him out for avon to be caught.

(b) the ranks were slim and avon's crew was lacking soldiers.

Don't forget, Stringer was on that afrocentric Africa pendant wearing shit. He followed trends. He was a fucking beta male all the way.
 

LeroyDibiase

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What the fuck?!!!!

Did yall actually read my reply? I didn't mention a damn thing about Avon meeting Marlo to try to kill him. I was simply correcting the poster who claimed that Avon NEVER met Marlo in person.
Don't be a dunce. Clearly I know they met face to face, read shit in context negro.
 

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Stringer was on that afrocentric Africa pendant wearing shit. He followed trends. He was a fucking beta male all the way.
You are the only one who sees what Ive seen in that punk Stringer,ever since he had D'angelo killed and was messing with his baby's mother.
 

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Yo question...when Marlo shot the chic in her titties and mouth why did Avon take it so hard...I mean obviously she was sent by him and shit but prior to that ep I never seen her around or @ least don't recall seeing her around for Avon to take it like that...I figured she was some random broad he called up to set Marlo up :dunno:
i think it was more like everything avon tried to do to marlo got fucked or didnt work so he was just fed up with it i guess a that point.
 

PeerlessMack

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bro... avon shoulda never been in that house in position to get got.
thats what u have soldiers for.

he also should have never been in that car when he got shot.
he was addicted to that side of the game.

I agree that Avon shouldn't have been in that situation. But if you think about it, he also shouldn't have been in the that situation to be at war with Marlo if Stringer had obeyed his orders not to give up his territory. Stringer had other plans and him giving up Avon was a way to get Avon out of the picture.
Avon would have fought to the death instead of giving up anything even though it was a better opportunity.

The only person willing to fight Marlo was Avon. Avon knew Marlo wanted the connect to gain control of the co-op, which eventually happened.
 

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Nigga you watch it again! Stringer Bell: "We making so much legit money now that we can carry this type of shy tout in the open." With the dope they were getting from the co-op they didn't need the corners. The co-op voted them out and if Avon stayed on the street he wouldn't have had shyt. No dope and no corners.




"I told you bout playing those fucking away games"
 

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You are the only one who sees what Ive seen in that punk Stringer,ever since he had D'angelo killed and was messing with his baby's mother.

i saw it too
stringers existence is cause the barksdales took his bitch ass in.
if he was not avons best friend since birth, stringer woulda been working as a stenographer at the courts downtown. not playing drug kingpin
and avon would've still been a ghost
lester got hooked into them cause he followed the money
who's fake ass business developments did he follow?
who snitched on avon?
who only had heart when it came to his own self interest? fucking d's baby momma while he in jail then deading him.
not killing marlo and omar
it never ends
even after his death he took the entire barksdales with him
and gave marlo free reign to be the king
 

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I agree that Avon shouldn't have been in that situation. But if you think about it, he also shouldn't have been in the that situation to be at war with Marlo if Stringer had obeyed his orders not to give up his territory. Stringer had other plans and him giving up Avon was a way to get Avon out of the picture.
Avon would have fought to the death instead of giving up anything even though it was a better opportunity.

The only person willing to fight Marlo was Avon. Avon knew Marlo wanted the connect to gain control of the co-op, which eventually happened.

if avon had his way, marlo and omar would have been dead
stringer wanted to play diplomat in the fucking drug game
all business no violence
1 problem, its the drug game and that shit dont fucking work PERIOD
only dude that made it in the end, was the only dude that played it like it was the drug game...marlo
he killed u if he didnt need u
wanted your spot (prop joe)
disrespected (security guard)
thought u were snitching (andre,kev)
so when marlo got popped there were no loose ends
chris ate the charge
snoop died
NOBODY snitched
if they had 2 recruits to start their drug shit from scratch
marlo would recruit chris,snoop
avon would recruit slim charles,broadie
stringer would recruit poot,wallace
 
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cranrab

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Avon knew Marlo wanted the connect to gain control of the co-op, which eventually happened.

and gave marlo free reign to be the king

all of which was made possible by one individual's STUPID ass:

russell bell

who put the co-op together? who extended an invitation to marlo?

through the co-op, stringer bell served himself and EVERYONE ELSE up on a silver platter for marlo. stringer bell made it EASY for marlo to usurp control over EVERYONE in ONE move, when it would've been impossible in the past.

stringer bell was a walking liability and a buffoon.
 
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