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THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL

Upgrade Dave said:
I think a Jericho's is supposed to be out this year. Definitely going to cop that one.


WWE just signed Ryan O'Reilly, a Southern indy guy that works in the Carolinas and Georgia. Great big man worker with a unique look and good promo skills. I've seen him several times here in Charlotte and the guy's just awesome. Good for WWE and congratulations to him.
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I am almost positive that O'Reilly was in DSW and FCW for awhile before quitting because he didn't get brought up to the main roster. And in the process his girlfriend Krissy Vaine who had just got brought up to the Smackdown roster quit as well.

There is talk that the WWE may have signed Christina Crawford, sister of Alicia Fox, to a developmental deal.
 
c_commander said:
I am almost positive that O'Reilly was in DSW and FCW for awhile before quitting because he didn't get brought up to the main roster. And in the process his girlfriend Krissy Vaine who had just got brought up to the Smackdown roster quit as well.

There is talk that the WWE may have signed Christina Crawford, sister of Alicia Fox, to a developmental deal.
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Yeah I read that about Christina Crawford. Vince wants some sistas on the show :lol:
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Agreed. That's just about the only way WWE gets my money. I don't get all of them (why the hell did John Morrison get a dvd?) but I end up getting at least two a year. I am going to miss the Elimination Chamber one because I've never been a fan of the match itself, too convoluted and a little too gimmicky, just slightly better than TNA's King of the Mountain match.

Misawa was a beast. That whole All Japan style was incredible to watch, with him, Kawada, Kobashi, and Stan Hansen tearing each other up. I prefer the more athletic New Japan style with Muto, Hase, and Sasaki but I really enjoyed that stiff King's Road shit they were doing in All Japan.
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Elimination Chamber is about the closest thing we have to a Wargames these days unfortunately, so I'm getting it based off of that (and historically, most of the matches range from decent to great, with only one being poor).

When I was younger I preferred NJPW (mainly the Jr Heavyweights like Lyger, Ultimo, Pegasus Kid, Black Tiger, etc.) but around college (I started watching Japanese wrestling back in jr high school) I really got into the strong style that no one was doing better than AJPW (these days, no one does it better than NOAH). Looking back at Misawa's matches from the mid-80s into the early 2000s especially, he was just brilliant. He could literally have a great match with anyone. Plus, the matches themselves tended to be so stiff that even non-fans of wrestling I could get into them.

I made about 10 bootleg DVDs full of Misawa matches, but I'm still buying this official release anyway for the perfect picture quality. It even includes a couple matches I haven't seen before. :cool:

Looking back, I really loved the progression of wrestling in AJPW. Baba (who was actually alrightish when he was younger) laid the groundwork for Tsuruta (who was INCREDIBLE for many years), to finally Misawa (who basically could do it all. TONS of athleticism and a brilliant storyteller in the ring. The only guy who was arguably better from that era from Japan was Tsuruta, in my opinion. But Misawa was an overall better wrestler).
 
Speaking of Wargames, HHH wanted to have some but Vince told him no bc he didn't create it and built that elimination chamber. I love wargames. I havent seen em all but my fave is the 1 where Sid powerbombed Brian Pillman and hit the roof.
 
kanedagame said:
Speaking of Wargames, HHH wanted to have some but Vince told him no bc he didn't create it and built that elimination chamber. I love wargames. I havent seen em all but my fave is the 1 where Sid powerbombed Brian Pillman and hit the roof.
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Proves that Vince isn't as smart as some people give him credit for and of just how big his ego is. Only a fool doesn't take advantage of good ideas because they didn't come up with them.

A War Games DVD would be nice. Sid fucked Pillman up with that move though not as much as he fucked up Arn Anderson.
 
c_commander said:
I am almost positive that O'Reilly was in DSW and FCW for awhile before quitting because he didn't get brought up to the main roster. And in the process his girlfriend Krissy Vaine who had just got brought up to the Smackdown roster quit as well.
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Same guy. He asked for his release because his dad was sick. I don't know what they're going to do with him since I see him as being very similar to Sheamus, except with a tan and no accent.


Deltronz said:
Elimination Chamber is about the closest thing we have to a Wargames these days unfortunately, so I'm getting it based off of that (and historically, most of the matches range from decent to great, with only one being poor).

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It's WarGames without the team concept and with a whole lot of other shit that comes off as too much for me. They seem entertaining but I can't get into but so much. My favorite moment is still Edge beating Cena after the Elimination Chamber.

kanedagame said:
Speaking of Wargames, HHH wanted to have some but Vince told him no bc he didn't create it and built that elimination chamber. I love wargames. I havent seen em all but my fave is the 1 where Sid powerbombed Brian Pillman and hit the roof.
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That was a good one and the first one that the heels won. The one in 92 with the Dangerous Alliance was great and I think the one from 89 Great American Bash with The Midnight Express, Dr. Death, and the Road Warriors against the Fabulous Freebirds and the Samoan Swat Team was as well.
Actually, when I think about it, the WarGames were always great until Hogan got to WCW and started mucking around with them. How about the last one where DDP won by pinfall? WTF?
 
c_commander said:
Proves that Vince isn't as smart as some people give him credit for and of just how big his ego is. Only a fool doesn't take advantage of good ideas because they didn't come up with them.

A War Games DVD would be nice.
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I'm surprised they haven't at least put more of them on different compilations like the Tag Team dvd. Maybe they'll put one on Sting's when he finally retires. WarGames should have it's own but that's highly unlikely.

Sid fucked Pillman up with that move though not as much as he fucked up Arn Anderson.
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Just wrong:lol::lol::lol:
 
The Wargames with Hogan were some bullshit. I remember the 1 with the fake Sting. Luckily I missed the 1 with Warrior.
 
kanedagame said:
The Wargames with Hogan were some bullshit. I remember the 1 with the fake Sting. Luckily I missed the 1 with Warrior.
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Standing alone, the one with the fake Sting is still good and it's the only one Flair and Anderson work as faces but when in context of weeks of Nitros building it up, it's great. I still have that one on VHS.
 
kanedagame said:
Speaking of Wargames, HHH wanted to have some but Vince told him no bc he didn't create it and built that elimination chamber. I love wargames. I havent seen em all but my fave is the 1 where Sid powerbombed Brian Pillman and hit the roof.
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c_commander said:
Proves that Vince isn't as smart as some people give him credit for and of just how big his ego is. Only a fool doesn't take advantage of good ideas because they didn't come up with them.

A War Games DVD would be nice. Sid fucked Pillman up with that move though not as much as he fucked up Arn Anderson.
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Vince was an idiot on that one! Wargames was the shit!!:yes::yes::yes:
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The older Wargames was better, but the one with WCW vs NWO was still one of my all time favorites!!:yes::yes::yes:
 
Upgrade Dave said:
Standing alone, the one with the fake Sting is still good and it's the only one Flair and Anderson work as faces but when in context of weeks of Nitros building it up, it's great. I still have that one on VHS.
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The fake Sting 1 was good to me bc the real 1 came out and kicked ass then left. The Lex tapped out like a bitch.
 
kanedagame said:
The fake Sting 1 was good to me bc the real 1 came out and kicked ass then left. The Lex tapped out like a bitch.
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From that point until the fucked up Starrcade match, Sting was rebuilt into the biggest star in wrestling. If Hogan had put him over clean, Sting would been on a that ultra elite level with Hulk, Flair, and Austin.

I was shocked to see Lex submit and then they had the Horsemen kick the shit out of him the next night but rebuilt him really well too.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
From that point until the fucked up Starrcade match, Sting was rebuilt into the biggest star in wrestling. If Hogan had put him over clean, Sting would been on a that ultra elite level with Hulk, Flair, and Austin.
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I know. They had that year long build up. Then Hogan's ego got in the way and the "fast count" was all fucked up.
 
kanedagame said:
I hear a Chris jericho dvd is in the works.
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I've actually been waiting a LONG time for that to get made, so I'm ordering it the day it gets released. Since an actual Benoit match in it's entirety is on the Elimination Chamber DVD (and Jericho speaks of Benoit in a positive light in his more recent book) it gives me hope that some of the great Jericho/Benoit matches (as a tag team, and against each other) will be included. It would really take away from some of Jericho's big moments if they didn't include some Benoit material, so I think there is a good chance he'll be on there.

Either way, I'm buying it. :cool:
 
Deltronz said:
I've actually been waiting a LONG time for that to get made, so I'm ordering it the day it gets released. Since an actual Benoit match in it's entirety is on the Elimination Chamber DVD (and Jericho speaks of Benoit in a positive light in his more recent book) it gives me hope that some of the great Jericho/Benoit matches (as a tag team, and against each other) will be included. It would really take away from some of Jericho's big moments if they didn't include some Benoit material, so I think there is a good chance he'll be on there.

Either way, I'm buying it. :cool:
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I'm getting it too. I still watch my Benoit dvd every now and then. Love the japanese matches on the dvd. I hope Jericho's dvd has some on there. I've been following him sine he was Lionheart in ECW.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
My favorite moment is still Edge beating Cena after the Elimination Chamber.
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:lol::lol::lol:

Mine too. Speaking of which, Edge's DVD is probably the best DVD the WWE made, in terms of quantity of great matches, focused on a single wrestler that you wouldn't necessarily think off the bat had so many 4 star or better matches under his belt (everyone goes into a Benoit, Bret Hart, Foley, Flair, Steamboat, etc set acknowledging all the brilliant matches they've had).



Upgrade Dave said:
Actually, when I think about it, the WarGames were always great until Hogan got to WCW and started mucking around with them. How about the last one where DDP won by pinfall? WTF?
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Co-sign completely :smh:
 
kanedagame said:
I'm getting it too. I still watch my Benoit dvd every now and then. Love the japanese matches on the dvd.
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Same here. The stuff he did in the ring still blows me away to this day. He was the ONLY wrestler I've seen wrestle every style extremely well.
 
Deltronz said:
I've actually been waiting a LONG time for that to get made, so I'm ordering it the day it gets released. Since an actual Benoit match in it's entirety is on the Elimination Chamber DVD (and Jericho speaks of Benoit in a positive light in his more recent book) it gives me hope that some of the great Jericho/Benoit matches (as a tag team, and against each other) will be included. It would really take away from some of Jericho's big moments if they didn't include some Benoit material, so I think there is a good chance he'll be on there.

Either way, I'm buying it. :cool:
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I don't know if they'll include the Benoit matches. The rule seems to be they'll include Benoit matches on ppv dvd releases or concept/gimmick match dvds but they won't feature any of his matches. I'm not saying they won't (they don't check with me anymore) but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

Deltronz said:
:lol::lol::lol:

Mine too. Speaking of which, Edge's DVD is probably the best DVD the WWE made, in terms of quantity of great matches, focused on a single wrestler that you wouldn't necessarily think off the bat had so many 4 star or better matches under his belt (everyone goes into a Benoit, Bret Hart, Foley, Flair, Steamboat, etc set acknowledging all the brilliant matches they've had).
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I was skeptical at first but then I rerad the lineup and remembered how good some of those matches were and bought it. Having not been an Edge fan for a while, I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of so many of his matches.


kanedagame said:
I don't know about yall but I was a fan of Battlebowl. My fave is when Vader won.
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Not a big BattleBowl fan but the Vader one was pretty good. Vader was killing everything that year. WCW made that guy the standard every monster has been measured against ever since.
 
Vader was the man until Hogan came and killed all that by kicking out of his finisher. Then he came to WWE and became a joke.
 
kanedagame said:
Vader was the man until Hogan came and killed all that by kicking out of his finisher. Then he came to WWE and became a joke.
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Hogan sure fucked up a lot of great shit. I give him his dues for what you brought to pro wrestling, but dude sure knew how to bring things down a few thousand notches. :smh:
 
kanedagame said:
Vader was the man until Hogan came and killed all that by kicking out of his finisher. Then he came to WWE and became a joke.
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The Hogan feud was a tragedy. It started off hot and then Hogan, being a complete asshole and totally unprofessional, killed it by not wanting to do the job.
Vader's WWF run was killed the same way except then he ran into Shawn Michaels, who also didn't want to do the job. I hate they never gave Bret and Vader a series.
 
Deltronz said:
Hogan sure fucked up a lot of great shit. I give him his dues for what you brought to pro wrestling, but dude sure knew how to bring things down a few thousand notches. :smh:
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:yes::yes:
I try not to be a "blame Hogan" type but he did do some grimy stuff that only helped him and ended up hurting the other guy and the company.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
The Hogan feud was a tragedy. It started off hot and then Hogan, being a complete asshole and totally unprofessional, killed it by not wanting to do the job.
Vader's WWF run was killed the same way except then he ran into Shawn Michaels, who also didn't want to do the job. I hate they never gave Bret and Vader a series.
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Yeah I remember that. Vader was suppose to get the title at SummerSlam but HBK refused to job.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
:yes::yes:
I try not to be a "blame Hogan" type but he did do some grimy stuff that only helped him and ended up hurting the other guy and the company.
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kanedagame said:
Yeah I remember that. Vader was suppose to get the title at SummerSlam but HBK refused to job.
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It would have been real interesting to see how things would have played out if Hogan and Michaels had to deal with each other during the 90's. Their 1 match at SummerSlam was crazy and that didn't involve both of them in their primes.
 
c_commander said:
It would have been real interesting to see how things would have played out if Hogan and Michaels had to deal with each other during the 90's. Their 1 match at SummerSlam was crazy and that didn't involve both of them in their primes.
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I forgot which announcer had said it, but when he said that he wasn't sure if the ring could hold the two biggest egos to ever wrestle, I laughed my ass off!:lol::lol::lol:
 
c_commander said:
It would have been real interesting to see how things would have played out if Hogan and Michaels had to deal with each other during the 90's. Their 1 match at SummerSlam was crazy and that didn't involve both of them in their primes.
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And they still had a clash of egos. Shawn was willing to lay down for Hogan if Hogan returned the favor later. Hogan refused. So Shawn went out and looked like a clown. I'm sure Leon White was :roflmao: at both of them.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
And they still had a clash of egos. Shawn was willing to lay down for Hogan if Hogan returned the favor later. Hogan refused. So Shawn went out and looked like a clown. I'm sure Leon White was :roflmao: at both of them.
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When Hogan gave HBK the big foot and HBK was flopping around like a fish outta water, I was tripping.:lol:
 

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