THE WRESTLING THREAD: HELL HAS FROZE OVER JOHN CENA HAS GONE FULL HEEL

dtownsfinest · Nov 3, 2010

So are ya'll telling me the Attitude era was rated PG? I think that's what most fans want being that is when a lot of us really became fans. Well me anyway.

Le Dofant · Nov 3, 2010

dirtyd said:
All Time goes to flair but watch vince put cena at 1 or 3 and have rock at 10 I hate when they release these 50 greatest whatever dvds or magazines, because they always let petty bullshit ruin it.

PS: Anybody get the new SVR game yet?, i'm hesitant since they've become like madden to me.

The WWE universe shit makes it worthwhile everything you do is tracked so who you fight or fight against creates matches and tag-teams/rivalries

Deltronz · Nov 3, 2010

kanedagame said:
That's true. Well I always have my wrestling dvds.

Exactly. Which is why, although I follow Chikara religiously now, the WWE will never completely lose me as I'll continue to make bimonthly investments in their DVD collections.

Born · Nov 3, 2010

~WWE Houseshow 10/30/10: Triple H returns and def. Del Rio~

WWE house show report 10-30 Fan Appreciation Night in Hartford, HHH beats Del Rio PDF Print E-mail

By Geoff Gillott

Big Show won a battle royal last eliminating Drew Macintyre and Cody Rhodes
Daniel Bryan def The Miz

Melina won a Divas dance off. This went on for about 15 minutes and the crowd hated it. Even the women who get pushed as faces got loud boos.
Vince McMahon came out and cut a short promo

Sheamus def John Morrison

Dolph Ziggler def Big Show by Countout

Randy Orton def Wade Barrett

Triple H def Alberto Del Rio. Triple H worked the match in his jeans and t-shirt. Short, safe match with Alberto on offense for most of the match until Triple H hit the pedigree. After the match Triple H hit his finish on Alberto's announcer as well.

Cena made a surprise appearance and def Kane by DQ after Nexus ran in. Orton made the save at the end followed by the rest of the roster and Triple H. In the end Triple H gave Sheamus the pedigree and all the main eventers hit their finish on Nexus.

Best matches on the show were Miz vs Bryan and Cena vs Kane which was a surprisingly solid main event match around ***

Johnny_2_Clips · Nov 3, 2010

Born said:
~WWE Houseshow 10/30/10: Triple H returns and def. Del Rio~

WWE house show report 10-30 Fan Appreciation Night in Hartford, HHH beats Del Rio PDF Print E-mail

By Geoff Gillott

Big Show won a battle royal last eliminating Drew Macintyre and Cody Rhodes
Daniel Bryan def The Miz

Melina won a Divas dance off. This went on for about 15 minutes and the crowd hated it. Even the women who get pushed as faces got loud boos.
Vince McMahon came out and cut a short promo

Sheamus def John Morrison

Dolph Ziggler def Big Show by Countout

Randy Orton def Wade Barrett

Triple H def Alberto Del Rio. Triple H worked the match in his jeans and t-shirt. Short, safe match with Alberto on offense for most of the match until Triple H hit the pedigree. After the match Triple H hit his finish on Alberto's announcer as well.

Cena made a surprise appearance and def Kane by DQ after Nexus ran in. Orton made the save at the end followed by the rest of the roster and Triple H. In the end Triple H gave Sheamus the pedigree and all the main eventers hit their finish on Nexus.

Best matches on the show were Miz vs Bryan and Cena vs Kane which was a surprisingly solid main event match around ***

Here are some pics

Johnny_2_Clips · Nov 3, 2010

Upgrade Dave · Nov 3, 2010

dtownsfinest said:
So are ya'll telling me the Attitude era was rated PG? I think that's what most fans want being that is when a lot of us really became fans. Well me anyway.

No, I'm telling you that pro wrestling on television has been more PG than not most of the time and we had fewer complaints. WWF was able to take what should have been a horrible gimmick in Doink and made it great (for a while) without any blood or any wild gimmick matches or profanity. Fans don't really care about the rating, that's just some shit to say, we care about the booking and the matches.
No matter when someone became a fan, I have a hard time believing if I showed you Crockett or Mid South from the 80s, you wouldn't like it and that could be perceived as PG (just more realistic).

Upgrade Dave · Nov 3, 2010

HHH comes back and beats one of the hotter heels in the company (he's lost some steam already but he's still hot). Typical. I have a slim hope he doesn't do something like that on tv.

dirtyd · Nov 3, 2010

Upgrade Dave said:
HHH comes back and beats one of the hotter heels in the company (he's lost some steam already but he's still hot). Typical. I have a slim hope he doesn't do something like that on tv.

Orton Cena and HHH would we expect anything different

Born · Nov 3, 2010

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jdc12 · Nov 3, 2010

^^^^

Upgrade Dave · Nov 3, 2010

Cosignage ^^^^^^^

chrislee · Nov 4, 2010

Raka Khan

NightMare Paint · Nov 4, 2010

chrislee said:
Raka Khan

dtownsfinest · Nov 4, 2010

Upgrade Dave said:
No, I'm telling you that pro wrestling on television has been more PG than not most of the time and we had fewer complaints. WWF was able to take what should have been a horrible gimmick in Doink and made it great (for a while) without any blood or any wild gimmick matches or profanity. Fans don't really care about the rating, that's just some shit to say, we care about the booking and the matches.
No matter when someone became a fan, I have a hard time believing if I showed you Crockett or Mid South from the 80s, you wouldn't like it and that could be perceived as PG (just more realistic).

Understandable but for someone like me in his mid 20's I didn't start watching wrestling until around the mid 90's. Right around the time WCW and WWF were battling on Monday nights and pushing the envelope every Monday night. Sable coming out there with pasties on her titties, Stone Cold bringing out a fake gun to scare the shit out of Vince, DX.....in general lol, Nation of Domination and DX feud....I don't doubt the product was still done well before the rating change but for some of us that's all we know. Which is why you see people refer to the rating change in regards to why the quality of wrestling programs have gone down.

TNA is a prime example of a wrestling show that pushes the envelope and doesn't do it well. Sometimes even unwatchable. So its not all about rating but for me watching Raw and watching these cheesy segments with Cena, Morrison, Orton....for me its clear they're pushing this rating change a little hard on us.

Upgrade Dave · Nov 4, 2010

dtownsfinest said:
Understandable but for someone like me in his mid 20's I didn't start watching wrestling until around the mid 90's. Right around the time WCW and WWF were battling on Monday nights and pushing the envelope every Monday night. Sable coming out there with pasties on her titties, Stone Cold bringing out a fake gun to scare the shit out of Vince, DX.....in general lol, Nation of Domination and DX feud....I don't doubt the product was still done well before the rating change but for some of us that's all we know. Which is why you see people refer to the rating change in regards to why the quality of wrestling programs have gone down.

TNA is a prime example of a wrestling show that pushes the envelope and doesn't do it well. Sometimes even unwatchable. So its not all about rating but for me watching Raw and watching these cheesy segments with Cena, Morrison, Orton....for me its clear they're pushing this rating change a little hard on us.

Okay. Once you gave me your age range, I got a better picture and idea of your viewpoint.
I was going to use TNA as an example of a TV14 wrestling show that has schizophrenic booking (they can go from great to WTF?! in one week).
Since the 80s, Vince has hired writers from outside wrestling and Stephanie is Vince Jr in that she books to make the show an entertainment/variety show instead of a wrestling show. With those people in place, even a TV14 show will be done poorly. The best hope for any positive change in the booking is HHH retiring and working in the booking full time.

I just saw the commercial for this week's Smackdown. HHH is coming back to face Alberto Del Rio.
This won't end well. :smh:

kanedagame · Nov 4, 2010

Upgrade Dave said:
Okay. Once you gave me your age range, I got a better picture and idea of your viewpoint.
I was going to use TNA as an example of a TV14 wrestling show that has schizophrenic booking (they can go from great to WTF?! in one week).
Since the 80s, Vince has hired writers from outside wrestling and Stephanie is Vince Jr in that she books to make the show an entertainment/variety show instead of a wrestling show. With those people in place, even a TV14 show will be done poorly. The best hope for any positive change in the booking is HHH retiring and working in the booking full time.

I just saw the commercial for this week's Smackdown. HHH is coming back to face Alberto Del Rio.
This won't end well.

I agree.

dirtyd · Nov 4, 2010

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Little Kid · Nov 5, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJoczGrBTU

At 20:12 u can hear the ref ask kelly "this is it right" and she replies "yep"

dirtyd · Nov 5, 2010

Did anybody else watch TNA on family feud, i swear the knockouts have to be some of the dumbest broads on the planetSteve looked like he was gonna get caught up with lacey and velvet embarrassed her ass all this week and not in a funny way

O.J PIMPSON · Nov 6, 2010

Kaval should just pack his shit and leave, he ain't won a match since NXT. Oh and is it me or should they fucking clip Otunga already. To be around as long as he has, and not have learned ANY moves yet is ridiculous. Also it seems all the talented NXT season 2 rookies are on tv except my man SHowtime Percy Watson!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck is up!!!?? Let him take Otunga's place, and Slater can go too!!!!!!!!!

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ScottyPiffen745 · Nov 6, 2010

O.J PIMPSON said:
Kaval should just pack his shit and leave, he ain't won a match since NXT. Oh and is it me or should they fucking clip Otunga already. To be around as long as he has, and not have learned ANY moves yet is ridiculous. Also it seems all the talented NXT season 2 rookies are on tv except my man SHowtime Percy Watson!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck is up!!!?? Let him take Otunga's place, and Slater can go too!!!!!!!!!

I thought the way they were going to go with the story is that Barrett will piss off the other NXT guys to the point where they all gang up on him, jump him and just disband the group. But it looks like they shaping maybe a Otunga/Barrett fued in the future. I hope that's not the case.

The Pope · Nov 6, 2010

BiggBawlzMcGee said:
I thought the way they were going to go with the story is that Barrett will piss off the other NXT guys to the point where they all gang up on him, jump him and just disband the group. But it looks like they shaping maybe a Otunga/Barrett fued in the future. I hope that's not the case.

NoDQ.com > WWE > Nexus breaking up, another rumored HOF name
Posted by Roscoe De Soto on 11/03/2010 at 04:40 PM

Credit: F4WOnline.com

- J.J. Dillon's name has been discussed for induction into next year's WWE Hall of Fame class. Should it occur, it is expected that he would be inducted with the Four Horsemen as a group rather than by himself.

- WWE's creative department has discussed keeping The Nexus together through Wrestlemania and then splitting the group via the annual Draft in April.

NoDQ.com > WWE > Bryan's next feud, Nexus getting all the belts?
Posted by Roscoe De Soto on 11/04/2010 at 12:02 PM

Credit: F4WOnline.com

- For what it's worth, people in WWE are wanting to push the Nexus angle by giving them all of the title belts. With Heath Slater & Justin Gabriel holding the WWE Tag Team Titles, this might mean that Wade Barrett would defeat Randy Orton for the WWE Title and likely David Otunga would capture the United States Title.
- As noted before, CM Punk is going down with an injury and the planned feud with Daniel Bryan is out the window. A suggestion has been made for William Regal to feud with Bryan now and it's said there's a 50/50 chance it will happen.

The Nexus will be around for a while it seems.

ScottyPiffen745 · Nov 7, 2010

Damn

Punk vs. Bryan might've been good. I could see them putting the US belt on Otunga with interference since he's still ain't shit in the ring.

ThaBurgerPimp · Nov 8, 2010

that tara/mickie james match on TNA turning point PPV.. i was like :jackoff:

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Upgrade Dave · Nov 8, 2010

BiggBawlzMcGee said:
I thought the way they were going to go with the story is that Barrett will piss off the other NXT guys to the point where they all gang up on him, jump him and just disband the group. But it looks like they shaping maybe a Otunga/Barrett fued in the future. I hope that's not the case.

I can even see them splitting Otunga off to form his own group with Nexus rejects like Young and Tarver and maybe NXT guys like Watson.

Boy, they're shitting on Kaval on Smackdown. I thought the NXT winner was supposed to get a title shot?

ThaBurgerPimp said:
that tara/mickie james match on TNA turning point PPV.. i was like

Two words: Ass-less chaps.

Dreamer broke his wrist in the match with RVD and, like Kurt Angle last month with his ribs, kept working. TNA should not suck with the effort their guys give but the booking is killing them.
Fuck them for firing Sabu. Dude headlined a ppv successfully with one day's notice and has worked hard since coming in and he's out of a job.

Deltronz · Nov 8, 2010

Upgrade Dave said:
Fuck them for firing Sabu. Dude headlined a ppv successfully with one day's notice and has worked hard since coming in and he's out of a job.

Well, hopefully Sabu will take the same route as Bryan Danielson and Christopher Daniels after both of their respective companies booted them over BS, and immediately make his way over to Chikara to wrestle unrestricted in front of a crowd that appreciates him

BTW, Dave I got you when I get another Wrestlingbay invite. Trust me, you WANT to have access to this site. :yes:

Lots of exclusives drop there before they ever grace any other site (whether we're talking Wrestling, MMA, K-1 or Boxing).

Deltronz · Nov 8, 2010

ThaBurgerPimp said:
that tara/mickie james match on TNA turning point PPV.. i was like

Just got done watching the whole PPV.

That Tara/Mickie James match was completely carried by Tara, but damn they were looking fine as hell

Tara's ass :jackoff:

Upgrade Dave · Nov 8, 2010

Deltronz said:
Well, hopefully Sabu will take the same route as Bryan Danielson and Christopher Daniels after both of their respective companies booted them over BS, and immediately make his way over to Chikara to wrestle unrestricted in front of a crowd that appreciates him

BTW, Dave I got you when I get another Wrestlingbay invite. Trust me, you WANT to have access to this site. Lots of exclusives drop there before they ever grace any other site (whether we're talking Wrestling, MMA, K-1 or Boxing).

That's what's up. 'Preciate that.

I hope this does get Sabu's name back out there and he profits from his good showings in TNA.

Deltronz said:
Just got done watching the whole PPV.

That Tara/Mickie James match was completely carried by Tara, but damn they were looking fine as hell

Tara's ass

That's what Tara can do when she's got an equal in the ring with her. I haven't been impressed with anything she's done since the Awesome Kong cage match. She has to walk Madison and Velvet through so blatantly we can see her telegraphing (like when she lifts her arms like she's going to hit them but she's really opening for a kick). While I think adding Katie Lea/Winter gives them another strong worker, TNA should go back to pulling female talent from the indies instead of former Divas.

And get Hamada back on tv, fuck Russo's limitations.

c_commander · Nov 8, 2010

Upgrade Dave said:
While I think adding Katie Lea/Winter gives them another strong worker, TNA should go back to pulling female talent from the indies instead of former Divas.

And get Hamada back on tv, fuck Russo's limitations.

Hamada is one half of the Knockout Tag Champs.Too bad that they haven't done anything with the belts since their creation. It looked like they were going to do something with Awesome Kong & Hamada as champs and then the incident went down with Bubba the Love Sponge. They really need to bring Kong and Cheerleader Melissa(Alisha Flash) back.
Since Hogan and Bischoff have come in TNA has kept their subpar talent, added other subpar talent(Orlando Jordan,The Nasty Boys) or given them pushes(Rob Terry) while either devaluing or firing quality wrestlers(Homicide,Christopher Daniels,Desmond Wolfe).

Upgrade Dave · Nov 8, 2010

c_commander said:
Hamada is one half of the Knockout Tag Champs.Too bad that they haven't done anything with the belts since their creation. It looked like they were going to do something with Awesome Kong & Hamada as champs and then the incident went down with Bubba the Love Sponge. They really need to bring Kong and Cheerleader Melissa(Alisha Flash) back.

The split with Kong was the first step in the downfall of the Knockouts.

Since Hogan and Bischoff have come in TNA has kept their subpar talent, added other subpar talent(Orlando Jordan,The Nasty Boys) or given them pushes(Rob Terry) while either devaluing or firing quality wrestlers(Homicide,Christopher Daniels,Desmond Wolfe).

And Eric eats up way too much tv time and it's gotten worse since BFG.

c_commander · Nov 8, 2010

Upgrade Dave said:
The split with Kong was the first step in the downfall of the Knockouts.

And Eric eats up way too much tv time and it's gotten worse since BFG.

I think that Gail Kim leaving was the first step but once Kong left the division was no longer distinctive from the Divas and they lost the last person that they could focus and build the division around.
I like Bischoff as a heel but they need to realize that the path to ratings and PPV buys isn't 20 to 30 minutes of Bischoff every Impact nor is it a bunch of bad skits and randomness. It's quality wrestling and well built rivalries. I still think they need to do PPVs every 2 or 3 months instead of every month and take the time to build the matches.

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