You may not be wrong...
But I would defend when disaster strikes vehemently as one of the best hip hop albums ever just based on the number of hits, production value and Bus just styling crazy throughout.
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You may not be wrong...
But I would defend when disaster strikes vehemently as one of the best hip hop albums ever just based on the number of hits, production value and Bus just styling crazy throughout.
Main articles: Busta Rhymes discography and production discography
Studio albums
Studio albums
- The Coming (1996)
- When Disaster Strikes... (1997)
- Extinction Level Event: The Final World Front (1998)
- Anarchy (2000)
- Genesis (2001)
- It Ain't Safe No More... (2002)
- The Big Bang (2006)
- Back on My B.S. (2009)
- Year of the Dragon (2012)
- Extinction Level Event 2: The Wrath of God (2020)
- A Future Without a Past... as part of the Leaders of the New School (1991)
- T.I.M.E. (The Inner Mind's Eye) as part of the Leaders of the New School (1993)
- The Imperial as part of the Flipmode Squad (1998)
No one told you about Benjamin Banneker
A brilliant Black man that invented the almanac
Can't you see where KRS is coming at
With Elie Whitney, Haile Selassie
Granville Woods made the walkie talkie
Lewis Lattimer improved on Edison
Charles Drew did a lot for medicine
Garrett Morgan made the traffic lights
Harriett Tubman freed the slaves at night
Madame CJ Walker made a straightin comb
But you won't know this is you weren't shown.
A brilliant Black man that invented the almanac
Can't you see where KRS is coming at
With Elie Whitney, Haile Selassie
Granville Woods made the walkie talkie
Lewis Lattimer improved on Edison
Charles Drew did a lot for medicine
Garrett Morgan made the traffic lights
Harriett Tubman freed the slaves at night
Madame CJ Walker made a straightin comb
But you won't know this is you weren't shown.
1. Hilarious, Dre flow did change after Playalistic. But give me one song where he copied Gipps style.
3. Hmmm, though Do or Die is better than Illmatic. But his albums were mediocre afterwards
4. Interesting
5. Can't argue
How many hits tho....2..3 at the most? When does classify an album a classic?
First it's all subjective
In this thread we had a hip hop seasoned veteran try to disparate Ready to Die as not classic (I fixed that sh*t)
So there's that.
If we are truly being serious like when I was taking advanced literature courses
Whether you personally liked a work or not - there are standard undisputed facts of what a masterwork is.
Illmatic. Is a classic.
Reasonable Doubt
Death Certificate
Ready to Die
OBFCL
Pick your Outkast album.
Redman also has the rare 3 classics in a row.
A classic hip hop album is the perfect combination of production style sequencing length vibe execution cohesiveness and delivery
Nas made you feel what it was like to be a smart kid trapped in the projects
Jay made you feel like a hustler with a conscience
Biggie showed you depression guilt sex crime and urban life as a young black male misunderstood
Cube? Come on he STILL telling the Compton story on wax perfectly even in adulthood
Outkast showed you the ATL life and worldview and emotions never tackled in that way with that sound
Wu Tang slang Shaolin Mafia bong bong
But Busta in a weird way has similar discography as Drake.
He has hits that 15 20 25 year vets don't have. Timeless transformative genre and Era defining pop hits. You cannot dismiss that
Their CAREERS are classics their songs, performances, guest appearances, videos EVERYTHING.
But the traditional The Source 5 mic classic?
Probably not.
But the closest is Diaster to me.
I would need to do a deep dive to be sure.
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Did you check that track listing before you asked?
Put your hands, turn it up, dangerous, rhymes galore...
Again we have so called hip hop classics that never went gold in their Era.
That's what I mean about sales and popularity. They matter a lot but not the ONLY metric.
So a hit can be radio, video, or underground.
But I would argue that album had a solid 3 hits which is NOT a small feat.
Nas "hits" on his first album probably never went platinum. But they are perfect records
But Busta hits on his first album are EQUALLY perfect by any hip hop definition and sold way more.
It's all subjective
And I LOVE Busta 1st album.
But I gave presentations and had debates based on Nas first album in high school and college.
Why isn't there a book or website with EVERY SINGLE The source album and single review?
Did I just f*ck around and give up a million dollar idea for free?
Did I just f*ck around and give up a million dollar idea for free?
I get it, but so what?
Kids are always disappointed with their parents success. It doesn't matter how loved, rich, or accomplished you are.
About 15 years ago I ran into the lead singer of the band barenaked ladies. He told me about the time he ate dinner with his kids and they said "hey dad, how come you can't be in a cool band like arcade fire?"
Guaranteed, if outkast did performed at the super bowl Big Boi's son would have been mad that he didn't do it twice.
you got kids Danny?
Have you ever listened to tha coming?
Kris was so dope
Yeah. That's how I know that no matter what you do for them it's never going to be enough. At least not until they reach adulthood and go to the same shit you did.
I'm not sure how old Big Boi's son is, but based on the timeline he's probably in his mid 20s. I'm sure he got over that whole "my dad never performed at the super bowl for me" tragedy out of his system by now.
This song awakened me so much. Dope as hell, peace ✌️
Blastmaster>>>>>
Damn
I'm happy to say that has not been fatherhood for me by any measure.
But I think your going too deep on the super bowl thing
No one said it was a tragedy.
But as a parent and having a best friend like that...
That kinda disappointment when you feel one way and everyone else doesn't.
I would love to ask Dre about that in 2023.
Sidebar: how you feel about apparently 3000 STEALING Big Gipp style?
Funny when folks talk about Drake unparalleled sick run of dominance...
Why isn't Busta mentioned?
And if you include culturally?
Why isn't LL?
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My dad was mentioning some TV shows recently and noted NCIS: Los Angeles. He was familiar with it, but hadn't followed. I mentioned how impressed I was by LL Cool J's career. Said to pops - "He's been famous since he was a teenager. He's in his 50s now."
He asked me for more info ... I said album releases from the 80s to early-2010s ... TV and award show hosting ... TV & movie acting. He's the real deal. Serious career longevity.
LL Cool J - Wikipedia
My dad was mentioning some TV shows recently and noted NCIS: Los Angeles. He was familiar with it, but hadn't followed. I mentioned how impressed I was by LL Cool J's career. Said to pops - "He's been famous since he was a teenager. He's in his 50s now."
He asked me for more info ... I said album releases from the 80s to early-2010s ... TV and award show hosting ... TV & movie acting. He's the real deal. Serious career longevity.
LL Cool J - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
To me they need lifetime hip hop achievement awards and their own wings in museums
Ice T Latifah will Smith Ludacris Ice Cube Snoop
then Nas and Jay Z and Dre
and yes you probably gotta but Drake in there somewhere soon
And yes probably maybe Kanye pre meltdown
I know I'm forgetting folk but I think those are the undisputed when you talking global hip hop in the sense of influence music tv radio film investment fashion producing on all levels concerts longevity relevance etc etc.
It's bullshit.
You got two men of a similar age, who grew up in the same city, were raised on the same musical influences, hung out with the same people and made art together. So of course they bit off each other's style.
So why doesn't Andre 3000 complain about big gipp biting off him?
Because nobody would care.
A little off topic, but you can also see this with Andre 3000 and Erykah Badu. From Mama's Gun onward she used a lot of his vocal inflections. On "didn't cha know" listen to the way she sings the phrase "guess I made a wrong turn back there somewhere."
Again, not really stealing. It's just what happens when you make art together.
Okay listening now...
Well damn it.
I've heard that record dozens of time even live... never noticed.
I agree that just natural and would be really sweet if it was deliberate.
And damn you cause now I'm gonna be on Badu time this entire weekend.
"You must learn.."
I greatly enjoy how well Slick Rick does on these griselda beats
I don't always understand wtf he is talking about exactly
But I am thoroughly entertained nonetheless
I don't always understand wtf he is talking about exactly
But I am thoroughly entertained nonetheless
He doesn't get talked enough...imo
E. 1999 Eternal is their best street album.
Art of War is their best album musically. Some fans didn't like it because it was a big departure from what they were used to but I played the hell out of that album.
What's funny is that Bone had all of the concepts to the songs from COACU and Eternal before they met Eazy. It was until they did Art of War they had to come up concepts for the album.Krayzie was the main contributor for the Art of War album and you can easily tell because it was more laid back than the last two albums.