That’s the biggest issue it seems here.
Big Pun’s friends/family flame Fat Joe for absence from street naming ceremony
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I KNOW they want money
but I'm saying they won't be happy and will go right through it mad quick
I don;t know what it is...
And it could be some misplaced fanboy sh*t on my part but something seems OFF about these accusations.
It isn't THAT hard to get receipts on this not at all.
And ALL this time later, all we HEAR are accusations but NO PROOF.
NONE
and just as unified and consistently as THEY are?
Joe said been the same.
I honestly don;t think we will ever know.
But I do know they path they on hasn't yielding ANYTHING positive as of yet and I do NOT see that changing anytime soon
Maybe they need to pick a different path.
He has the lyrical talent but that shit ain't selling. It's all mumble rap now unfortunately
Accurate.
Ortiz might be one of the best appealing active lyricists out today, and he still can’t move units.
Different game today.
Yea this is where I’m at with it as well. As a fan of all of em tho, it sucks to have to watch all this he said she said bs. Listening to all that material over the last couple days, made me realize how good it all was, including Joe’s group and solo material.
Sidenote: I was playing this joint loud af in the whip yesterday and felt amazing
See it may be unfair but it matters...
How many certified hits Fat Joe had?
Before and AFTER Pun?
And not just solo but features too.
Now what has the OTHER SIDE done?
I'll wait.
It matters...
Thief, liar, jerk, phoney, asshole...
Homeboy got hits
I'll check it tonight. Thanks!
I still don't see what the fuck Big Pun did to get a street named after him. I heard his music.
Bro...
Fam....
Cuz...
Damn.
I know you joking
He the greatest latino rapper of all time
One of the best MCs ever.
Platinum artist during one of the greatest eras of hip hop music.
Hit records pop mixtape radio underground
Classic all time verses.
That man held his own and surpassed mcs like black thought, canibus, Cam'ron, ll cool j, raekwon in their primes and mcs the likes of Kool g rap, nature, nore, fat Joe, foxy brown, LOX, DMX etc.
In a ridiculously short career
He earned his spot
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it was a court of law
Joe might have gotten a round of applause from the jury
EFN tried HARD with all that peace stuff
and maybe for the first time EVER?
I legit saw Joe lose his cool a little a look angry.
well damn.
@EPDC
Pun sister is his wife's cousin.
mami...
let this sh*t go
you gonna be a DOCTOR? You got kids? and you doing THIS?
C'mon now.
Ummm... is she SNITCHING on Pun Wife Eliza attempted to murder Fat Joe...
plus extortion?!?
ummm can the feds pick up that?
and they supposed to be COOL?!?!?!?
WTF is going on here?
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I remain unimpressed by his body of work. I liked the 187 remix. Being the greatest "latino" rapper all time doesn't automatically rank him among the greatest rappers of all time. Not by my standards.
Bro.
I give him that title just cause you don't want to get into the top 5 dead or alive debate
no matter what he is
he was a DOPE MC period.
What he was able to do lyrically rhyme pattern flow bars within bars rhymes within rhymes always made sense on topic
and arguably the greatest breath control PERIOD and at THAT size.
NEVER EVER had a bad verse
EVER
Killed every feature
was a legit STAR for his time
Left an indelible mark during the most COMPETITIVE era of MUSIC period
and its MORE than that.
much like how the Fugees became patron saints for Island kids especially Haitian kids and for what L Boogie did for female MCs and as a group for WORLD MUSIC
Pun BIGGER than those 2/3 albums
Big Pun was like on some Selena sh*t. For Puerto Ricans and the Latinx community he is THEIR Biggie.
I can respect it.
BUT saying ALL that?
music is subjective you like it or you don''t. Period
But you cannot DENY someone influence when the receipts and proof are still right there.
Man, after all these years of having those dusty Bronx bums trashing your name, I can understand Joe being a little angry and losing his cool.
I'm just going to repeat, if what Liza and Cuban say is legit, why aren't more people fucking with Cuban or Pun's family. Why haven't people really worked with his son?
Man, i remember Joel Ortiz put his son on, and by that extension Chris Rivers could have had an association with Em/Slaughterhouse years back.
Why did Em show so much love to a bunch of cats from Buffalo (Griselda) instead of doing something that made business sense, signing Big Puns son who had a buzz a few years ago?
Their family is fucked up. People will big up and represent Big Pun, but Liza, Cuban and the rest of them dusty ass Po'Ricans need to man up and do something instead of living off Pun's memory. Seriously, does Cuban release social media videos WITHOUT ever mentioning Pun or Fat Joe?
Fat Joe lives in Cuban's head rent free.
YUP
remember Chris had beef cause Ortiz made that Big Pun back record? which was an OBVIOUS sign of respect.
And to add to that, Ortiz recorded a song with Rivers AFTER Joel dropped Big Pun Back.
Fucking Bipolaricans....
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Bronx is Puerto Rican territory.
Im not an exper in NY rap history but I cant think of another rapper who repped the Bronx as much as Big Pun.
they are few but none were as accomplished and universally recognized as one of the best to ever do it.
It is
BX is the birthplace of hip hop
Even though KRS ONE the legend made the greatest song about it and ain't from there
That debate is legit and I rep Brooklyn but the best borough to birth mcs...
Many say queens
But BX... could be it.
Bronx Rican rappers.
I already said Im no expert, but I heard what I heard in my era. At the time who was repping the Bronx like Pun?
to be fair
Pun only had like a 3 year run
which is INSANE when you really think about it.
Homeboy was a WORKER.
And like I mentioned... not ONE bad verse
not a ONE.
was he the BIGGEST artist out of the Bronx in hip hop from 97 - 2000?
Probably definately YES but EVER?
Not at all
I remember Jennifer Lopez was bubbling at that time too (non hip hop)
But the Bronx is the birthplace
Like I said earlier KRS repped it HARD but wasn't really from there.
Herc, Caz, Melly Mel, Afrika, Slick Rick, Finesse, Fat Joe, Remy, Fred Godson (RIP), Cardi, Camp Lo that's just off top
and they ALL rep BX heavy while they were in the spotlight.
But Pun (and remember you HAVE to thank Joe for that) held the Bronx down HEAVY.
PERIOD