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- Spice 1’s first three albums were the shit. Afterwards he fell off.

- In the “Best Group from Flint, MI” category, Top Authority > The Dayton Family

- “Deeper” by Boss still goes hard as fuck today.

- Scarface is criminally underrated.
 
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cold-n-cocky said:
- Spice 1’s first three albums were the shit. Afterwards he fell off.

- In the “Best Group from Flint, MI” category, Top Authority > The Dayton Family

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cold-n-cocky said:
- Spice 1’s first three albums were the shit. Afterwards he fell off.

- In the “Best Group from Flint, MI” category, Top Authority > The Dayton Family

- “Deeper” by Boss still goes hard as fuck today.

- Scarface is criminally underrated.
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- Scarface is criminally underrated.
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Dannyblueyes

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geechiedan said:
Lauyrn lost alot of credibility to me when she didn't continue her rap career. I get her first gift is as a singer and she's a great singer BUT the thing that got her over and boosted her was her MC skills and presence. And even as her singing career faltered due to the controversy surrounding the Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, she could have continued as a rapper and held it down for the non pussy rapping female MCs.

Honestly she was last of a dying breed as all the strippers turned rappers started to rise. And Lauryn failed to represent and it was a missed opportunity for her continue her presence on the big stage and MAYBE reignite her singing career because she is that versatile.

But she didn't do anything but have a bunch of kids and get caught up in baby daddy drama and neglected her rap career...which makes me question did she write those raps or was that stuff ghost written and the whole MC thing just a pose??

At this point I seriously question her MC status.
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I see your point, but I kind of disagree.

Lauryn Hill is hardly the first rapper to have way too many kids and a bunch of relationship dramas. It certainly didn't put the brakes on DMX or Mos Def.

She's also not the first person to be accused of using ghostwriters or committing copyright infringement. Everybody gets accused of that when they sell 10 million records.

IMO her biggest problem was that musically she couldn't get out of her own way. Whether or not she wrote all of her own lyrics she certainly had a lot of guidance on Miseducation. Afterwards the label gave her free rein to do whatever she wanted on the next project and she used that freedom poorly. She neglected the people and systems that made her successful on the last one.

The other issue is that she didn't like being a mega star. She wanted to be able to wake up at noon and go to the local Bodega in some sweatpants and flip-flops without paparazzi jumping out of the bushes. Or be able to go to the club and get drunk like a normal person without the press calling her self destructive.

Because even with all of her failings she could have easily made a career for herself as a guest vocalist. Busta rhymes has been doing that for 20 years. No reason she couldn't.
 
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Blackouttt said:
2Pac fucking sucked.
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I think the real issue was that Tupac was ahead of his time, he just wasn't 27 years ahead. Because of that younger people can't relate to his sound and don't have the emotional connection to his lyrics that older heads have.

Same way that Jimi Hendrix was a brilliant guitarist, but you wouldn't expect a 25 year old metalhead to have his albums on repeat.
 
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playahaitian said:
the cadence, flow and iambic pentameter would be analyzed for months.

rightfully so
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And he'd still be a follower

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BDK >>>>*
 
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Dannyblueyes said:
I think the real issue was that Tupac was ahead of his time, he just wasn't 27 years ahead. Because of that younger people can't relate to his sound and don't have the emotional connection to his lyrics that older heads have.

Same way that Jimi Hendrix was a brilliant guitarist, but you wouldn't expect a 25 year old metalhead to have his albums on repeat.
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^^^

And really Hendrix as we know him was what 2 Years?

But still unparalleled
 
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Dannyblueyes

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Club rap is seriously undervalued.

When people talk about the greatest rappers and songs of all time, nobody brings up Travis Porter even though they had two club hits that still pack the floors nearly 15 years later.

People rarely mention juvenile, even though "back that ass up" still slaps after nearly three decades.

People call Pitbull corny, which he is, but how many other rappers can seamlessly switch between English and Spanish at 128 beats per minute?

V.I.C. released a song so dope that you, your grandmother, and your 5 year old niece danced to it at the last family reunion. But God help you if put any respect on his name.

Will.I.AM is basic as fuck, but every hook he ever wrote is an earworm. I bet there's one stuck in your head right now

None of these folks are great MCs in the traditional sense. All of them would get torn to shreds the moment they stepped into a battle. But being able to motivate a dance floor is a very underrated skill. Getting people to belt out your lyrics when they're staggering home from a club at 2:30 in the morning is an underrated skill. It's about time it got recognized.
 
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Dannyblueyes said:
I see your point, but I kind of disagree.

Lauryn Hill is hardly the first rapper to have way too many kids and a bunch of relationship dramas. It certainly didn't put the brakes on DMX or Mos Def.

She's also not the first person to be accused of using ghostwriters or committing copyright infringement. Everybody gets accused of that when they sell 10 million records.

IMO her biggest problem was that musically she couldn't get out of her own way. Whether or not she wrote all of her own lyrics she certainly had a lot of guidance on Miseducation. Afterwards the label gave her free rein to do whatever she wanted on the next project and she used that freedom poorly. She neglected the people and systems that made her successful on the last one.

The other issue is that she didn't like being a mega star. She wanted to be able to wake up at noon and go to the local Bodega in some sweatpants and flip-flops without paparazzi jumping out of the bushes. Or be able to go to the club and get drunk like a normal person without the press calling her self destructive.

Because even with all of her failings she could have easily made a career for herself as a guest vocalist. Busta rhymes has been doing that for 20 years. No reason she couldn't.
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I dont think you did disagree...your last part was what I mean...

The truth is lauryn wanted to be a star on her terms but it doesnt work that way. From what I understand it really stuck in her kraw that she was seen more as a muse for wyclef's creative push behind the fugees. Her solo break was also her trying to plant a flag that she was her own person and a creative force in her own right and it WORKED!

Her solo joint won umpteen grammys and major critical acclaim and she took all the credit for it in an effort to say SEE! IT WASNT ALL WYCLEF!!! then it blew up in her face with all the lawsuits that essentially undermined her claim.

But instead of going back to the drawing board and back to basics and rebuild thru her MC status....she flaked. And just produced more non-rap works that just showed that rap/hip-hop wasn't a priority to her at all and if anything in retrospect a claim could be made that she just USED rap/hip-hop as a stepping stone to do what she REALLY wanted to in the first place....be a top singer.

If thats the real case then her MC bona fides should be looked into...


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geechiedan said:
I dont think you did disagree...your last part was what I mean...

The truth is lauryn wanted to be a star on her terms but it doesnt work that way. From what I understand it really stuck in her kraw that she was seen more as a muse for wyclef's creative push behind the fugees. Her solo break was also her trying to plant a flag that she was her own person and a creative force in her own right and it WORKED!

Her solo joint won umpteen grammys and major critical acclaim and she took all the credit for it in an effort to say SEE! IT WASNT ALL WYCLEF!!! then it blew up in her face with all the lawsuits that essentially undermined her claim.

But instead of going back to the drawing board and back to basics and rebuild thru her MC status....she flaked. And just produced more non-rap works that just showed that rap/hip-hop wasn't a priority to her at all and if anything in retrospect a claim could be made that she just USED rap/hip-hop as a stepping stone to do what she REALLY wanted to in the first place....be a top singer.

If thats the real case then her MC bona fides should be looked into...


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But who the hell wants to be recognized as a bona fide MC? It's cool when you're under 25, but after that most of those dudes are broke. Hitting tiny stages in between shifts at jiffy lube.

If Lauryn Hill wants to make money as a singer rather than as a rapper then more power to her. Doesn't mean she can't rap, just means it's not the foot she's putting forward. Just like Erykah Badu.

IMO her biggest mistake was walking on stage with a damn guitar. There's nothing wrong with folk rap and it definitely had a lane back in 2000, but learn your damn instrument first!

Can you imagine how dope it would have been if she did learn to play, or better yet, collaborated with a band like Spearhead? It would have been so big Taylor Swift would be opening for them on their next world tour.

Best of all, can you imagine if she went to wyclef and the Marley's and said "I hate your fucking guts right now, but these kids need to eat. So let's go to the studio, make this hit record, and get the hell out of my face until it's time for the next one."
 
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Dannyblueyes said:
But who the hell wants to be recognized as a bona fide MC? It's cool when you're under 25, but after that most of those dudes are broke. Hitting tiny stages in between shifts at jiffy lube.
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THIS vvvvvvvv is why it matters to define who's a MC/rapper and who aint..

November 17 said:
Besides Will Smith (television & film), and L.L. Cool J (television & film) has any rapper had a more successful career in film than Mark Walhberg (Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch)?
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for the record...DEBBIE HARRY had a hit song where she rapped..

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according to that logic.....she's a rapper....anyone agree with that????
 
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geechiedan said:
THIS vvvvvvvv is why it matters to define who's a MC/rapper and who aint..



for the record...DEBBIE HARRY had a hit song where she rapped..

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according to that logic.....she's a rapper....anyone agree with that????
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No, Deborah Harry is not a rapper. However, Mark Walhberg did start off his career as a rapper and then made the transition into acting.

I, by no means support him, but when when you read his bio they mention "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch."
 
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November 17 said:
Ok, have their films had the same level of success that Mark Walhberg's films have (gross revenue, nominated for awards)?
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Why does gross revenue matter?

If a Jordan Peele movie grossed $100 million it would be a runaway hit. If a modern MCU movie grossed $100 million it would be a dismal failure.

Awards?

Leonardo DiCaprio is one of the greatest actors who ever lived and it took him over 20 years to get an oscar.

I hate to bring this up, but Mark Wahlberg suffers from a severe melanin deficiency. I'm not an ableist, but when it comes to movies rappers with this particular illness get a lot more accommodation than rappers who don't.
 
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Ice Ice Baby was a decent song for what it was
Hammer should be in the hip-hop HOF
If Em is top 50, he’s clinging to 49 at best
Jay’s status is based more on popularity than skills
 
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woodchuck said:
Think about it, outside of "Unbelievable" & "Big Poppa", every hit on that album had to be remixed.
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What up Chuck? Long time no speak.

Reggie Wright Jr. made the same observation about 'Ready to Die' recently. The thing is, I remember "One More Chance" being the only single from that album where the remixed version became a huge hit.

"Juicy" had a Pete Rock remix on the CD single, but I don't remember that version being what earned the single gold status.

"Big Poppa" had a Jermaine Dupri remix that was actually pretty dope, but I can't remember it getting more airplay that the original. That was a platinum single. Then again, maybe the Dupri remix got more play outside of New York?

So when people talk about the whole album being remixed, are they talking about the differences between the early version and the release version, or particularly the hit singles?
 
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Biz Markie’s “Picking Boogers” album is a classic. And, the best Juice Crew album.
 
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Mr. Met said:
Ice Ice Baby was a decent song for what it was
Hammer should be in the hip-hop HOF
If Em is top 50, he’s clinging to 49 at best
Jay’s status is based more on popularity than skills
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I was listening to some Hammer this past weekend and he had some bangers back in tje day. I still don't understand,why he got so much hate at the time.







I was ten years old when "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" dropped....
 
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geechiedan said:
THIS vvvvvvvv is why it matters to define who's a MC/rapper and who aint..



for the record...DEBBIE HARRY had a hit song where she rapped..

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according to that logic.....she's a rapper....anyone agree with that????
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Blondie and the Sugarhill Gang were my 1st 8 tracks
 
geechiedan

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ansatsusha_gouki said:
I was listening to some Hammer this past weekend and he had some bangers back in tje day. I still don't understand,why he got so much hate at the time.







I was ten years old when "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" dropped....
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For the same reason soulja boy got shit....and puffy got shit. Hardcore/gangsta rappers dont like it when a dancing rapper succeeds.
 
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November 17 said:
No, Deborah Harry is not a rapper. However, Mark Walhberg did start off his career as a rapper and then made the transition into acting.

I, by no means support him, but when when you read his bio they mention "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch."
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Mark is that you?? Topic said unpopular opinions about RAPPERS not bring up Mark Walhberg's film career. Da fuq??!!??
 

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